Re: new torture bill - Is this True?

by **4911** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 8:36 pm

"To The Ministry of Moral Imperatives, enclosed please find my own dried and mutilated hide. In my evergrowing thirst to serve Freedom, and in my drive to lighten your workload, I have decided to accuse, try and sentence myself for committing the admittadly horrible crime of believing in the Constitution. In addition to having extinguished half a carton of lit (Marlboro) cigarettes on my own upper body, I have taken the liberty of hideously torturing myself with pliers and blowtorches prior to my skinning myself alive. I Trust that whoever found me has followed my written instructions and packed my epidermal remains into the postagepaid Fed-ex box I had left pre-addressed to your glorious offices. I would be honored to be a lampshade in your lobby. Your humble servant," <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin"> Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=4911>4911</A> at: 9/30/06 6:53 pm

by **Seamus OBlimey** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 9:17 pm

Whatever, 4911, but I'm not going down without a fight. And I don't want that fight to be defensive. Roll over and play dead if you like but some of us will only go down kicking and screaming! Far better we kick and scream now. The US has declared itself exempt from internatially accepted standards. Does that mean all US citizens outside the US are fair game? I think so. So forget foreign holidays and business trips, you're a rogue state now. Expect boycotts, sanctions and a long hard struggle for redemption. The world is slowly waking up!

by **medicis** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 9:59 pm

Thank you Seamus for your thoughts. History is replete with depictions of those who stood up only to become... if they were lucky, martyrs. But the fact that some stood up did affect, I believe, the ultimate outcome. When I read scifi books and war books back in the fifties, the vast majority of the good guys were simply killed. And, of of course, the reader identifies with the hero (American style) who wins and survives. Well, most do not. Some who fight evil are, at the most, footnotes. Most die unknown. But it is a crucially important question to me; what my son will have to face when he is a man. I cannot countenance leaving him trapped by the corporatist/feudal global state. Maybe some of you can. I cannot. So even if what a person does is futile and even deadly, there are some values - and some people - for which/whom that sacrifice is necessary. So, I cannot leave. (no $). No place to go. Patriot to the Republic.

by **4911** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 5:46 am

i was only tryin to inject humor into an otherwise dodgy situation..in retrospect id say it wadn funny. I didnt mean to belittle.

by **jingofever** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 6:26 am

"I would be honored to be a lampshade in your lobby." I thought it was funny and that line is the kicker. The attitude you conveyed reminds me of that Monty Python sketch of the cannibal restaurant.

by **yesferatu** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 12:36 pm

<a href="http://www.davidcorn.com/archives/2006/09/this_is_what_wa.php">what waterboarding looks like</a> Sorry about this linking to David Corn's site.

by **sunny** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 9:06 pm

<a href="http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1154AP_Gingrich_Scotus.html">seattlepi.nwsource.com/na...cotus.html</a> Gingrich urges overriding Supreme Court THE ASSOCIATED PRESS WASHINGTON -- Supreme Court decisions that are "so clearly at variance with the national will" should be overridden by the other branches of government, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich says. "What I reject, out of hand, is the idea that by five to four, judges can rewrite the Constitution, but it takes two-thirds of the House, two-thirds of the Senate and three-fourths of the states to equal five judges," Gingrich said during a Georgetown University Law Center conference on the judiciary. It takes approval by two-thirds of Congress and three-fourths of the 50 states to adopt an amendment to the Constitution, the government's bedrock document. Gingrich, a Republican who represented a district in Georgia, noted that overwhelming majorities in Congress had reaffirmed the Pledge of Allegiance, and most of the public believes in its right to recite it. As such, he said, "It would be a violation of the social compact of this country for the Supreme Court to decide otherwise and would lead, I hope, the two other branches to correct the court." In 2002, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in California ruled that the pledge was unconstitutional when recited in public schools because of the reference to God. The Supreme Court in 2004 reversed that decision on a technicality, but the case has been revived. Gingrich said "the other two branches have an absolute obligation to render independent judgment" in cases that are "at variance with the national will." He spoke at Thursday's panel discussion on relations between the executive, judicial and legislative branches of government. Former Senate Democratic leader Tom Daschle of South Dakota, who spoke on the same panel, noted the high court's 5-4 decision settling the contested 2000 presidential election in favor of Republican George W. Bush. "What if Al Gore had said I don't agree?" Daschle asked. "In a sense, what we did was put the court in the position of the American people. We were giving the court the power to make the decision for the American people based on their best judgment and I'm not challenging the judgment. I accept it, too, even though I disagree." --- On the Net: Georgetown conference: <a href="http://www.law.georgetown.edu/judiciary/program.html">www.law.georgetown.edu/ju...ogram.html</a>

by **chiggerbit** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:09 pm

There's a new Supreme Court ruling on a Des Moines man who has had his citizenship revoked for being a Nazi concentration camp guard, even thought the man never hid anything when he applied for citizenship back in the fifties. The Supreme Court upheld the revocation. Makes me wonder what they will do about the torture bill, <a href="http://rawstory.com/showoutarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.msnbc.msn.com%2Fid%2F15104122%2F">rawstory.com/showoutartic...5104122%2F</a>