Conyers, Boxer back attack on Iran

by **darkbeforedawn** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 6:47 pm

<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/sick.gif ALT=":x"> Home The collective Folders Links Contacts Search 16016004 IP 20789717 pages (since 02/10/2002) Newsletter : Articles April Thursday 27th 2006 (20h42) : House votes 397-21 for “Iran Freedom Support Act” 22 comment(s). As if Iraq isn’t a big enough mess, the House of Representatives has just voted to ‘hold Iran accountable and support a transition to democracy’. Sound Familiar? Only this time Iran is a democracy. They just held an election where their president was actually elected by the people. How refreshing. After everything that has been exposed...the lies, the profiteering, the long list of war crimes, 397 ‘Representatives’ gave Bush the go ahead on attacking Iran. Only 21 Patriots voted Nay. Sad to say but these are the only people we can trust... Baldwin, Blumenauer, Boyd, DeFazio, Duncan, Flake, Hostettler, Jones (NC) Kucinich, Leach, McDermott, McGovern, McKinney, Oberstar, Obey, Olver Paul, Rahall, Snyder, Stark, Taylor The most disappointing aspect however is the fact that so many of our ‘progressive’ leaders in congress voted for this lie. John Conyers voted yay. Maxine Waters, Murtha, Bernie Sanders, Lynn Woolsey, Barbara Lee all voted for it. On the hill today the Progressive Caucus is hosting a hearing on Iraq... Congresswomen Lynn Woolsey and Barbara Lee will host a hearing on the Iraq War next Thursday, April 27, 8:30-11 a.m., in 2325 Rayburn House Office Building. The two Co-Chairs of the Congressional Progressive Caucus are continuing to do what the “leadership” of both parties does not, respond to the demands of the majority of Americans, who disapprove of current policy. Lynn Woolsey and Barbara Lee just voted yay on giving the green light for war on Iran. I can assure them that the demands of the majority of Americans are not in accordance with their vote on Iran. We are supposed to believe that these representatives ‘can get fooled again’? Are they merely posing as the opposition in order to stall for Bush? At least we have a small vocal group speaking out... Rep. Ron Paul, Texas Republican, said the measure reminds him of a 1998 congressional resolution that called for regime change in Iraq, which he thinks was the first step to the “very unpopular, expensive” Iraq war. Rep. Earl Blumenauer, Oregon Democrat, noted all lawmakers “hate this regime,” but he favors “strong, smart, constructive, diplomatic efforts” - characteristics that he says are not present in the bill. “I am very worried about where this all ends,” he said. “It is bad for Iran to have a nuclear weapon, but there are things that are worse,” such as giving the country a reason to use one, said Rep. Jim Leach, Iowa Republican. Rep. Dennis J. Kucinich said the Bush administration has “made a mess of international relations,” with the war in Iraq. “Don’t we have enough problems in Iraq to clean up before setting the stage for another conflict with Iran?” the Ohio Democrat asked. How is it possible that Bush is still getting away with promoting lies about Iran. How is he even still in office? <a href="http://benfrank.net/blog/">benfrank.net/blog/</a> By : benfrankblog April Thursday 27th 2006 Post a Comment Print this article Comments > House votes 397-21 for “Iran Freedom Support Act” 28th April 2006 - 01h29 - Posted by 72.***.190.*** Wardance has already begun. Iran is another scapegoat trying to win the midterm elections. But we see also the support from the Democrats. Those Democrats should be removed from the party. Reply to this message > House votes 397-21 for “Iran Freedom Support Act” 28th April 2006 - 03h58 - Posted by 66.**.70.*** < These democrats should be removed from the party >. Yes, yes and yes. They just CALL themselves "democrats" and "republicans" Truth be known, it’s a "two party dictatorship" ... Reply to this message The Israel Lobby 28th April 2006 - 02h31 - Posted by 209.***.164.** oh NOW I get it.... “Pro-Israel lobbyists on Capitol Hill are cajoling members of Congress to support the Iran Freedom Support Act, which would expand the existing American sanctions on companies that invest more than $20 annually in Iran’s oil and gas sectors. The bill would tighten sanctions on companies that invest in Iran’s energy industry in the hopes of blocking money that could be used to produce nuclear arms. The bill also provides for assistance to pro-democracy forces within Iran, and funding for independent media broadcasts to the country. The House of Representatives’ Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, a Florida Republican, and Howard Berman, a California Democrat, are sponsoring the proposed legislation. The sponsors of the Senate version are Rick Santorum, a Pennsylvania Republican, and Evan Bayh, an Indiana Democrat.” <a href="http://www.forward.com/main/printer-friendly.php?id=4004">www.forward.com/main/prin...hp?id=4004</a> Reply to this message > The Israel Lobby 28th April 2006 - 05h44 - Posted by 64.**.116.** Independent media my ASS! Like ours here in STATES is Independent? Yeah, Right! WORLD WIDE MARCH OF FASCISM, THANKS TO SOME SO CALLED "PEACE" ACTIVISTS AS WELL! SHAME ON ALL OF THEM! THEY ARE ALL TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND ARE PUTTING FUCKING ISRAEL FIRST AND AMERICA LAST! THEY ARE LITERALLY DESTROYING AMAERICA FROM WITHIN FOR GODDAMN ISRAEL! I HATE ISRAEL ANYMORE! I HATE THEM! ALL BECAUSE I AM TIRED OF OUR NATION GOING TO WAR BECAUSE OF THEM AND WARPROFITEERING ETC.! THE GODDAMN PEOPLE IN CONGRESS ARE TRAITORS,PERIOD! THEY KNEW BUSH LIED ABOUT IRAQ BUT VOTED THAT WAY ANYWAY, THIS VOTE PROVES IT! GODDAMN TRAITORS IS WHAT THEY ALL ARE! I HOPE ALL EXCEPT FOR 21 LOSE THEIR GODDAMN HOUSE SEATS TO ANYONE OTHER THEN THEM! FUCKING WAR MONGERING BASTARDS WHO PUT ISRAEL ABOVE AMERICA’S SECURITY AND WELL BEING! FUCK ISRAEL ! Reply to this message > The Israel Lobby 28th April 2006 - 18h37 - Posted by 72.**.125.*** I will bless those that bless you and curse those that curse you. GOD speaking about Isreal. Do you want the exact verse? Reply to this message > The Israel Lobby 28th April 2006 - 21h29 - Posted by 32.**.110.*** Amen brother.. fight the good fight and don’t let the loser shills upset you.. when all else fails they pull out the religion card.. fuckin’ numbnuts getting brainwashed in churches dying for Israel.. Reply to this message > House votes 397-21 for “Iran Freedom Support Act” 28th April 2006 - 03h22 - Posted by 204.**.170.*** So AIPAC has bought Lee and Woolsey. US foreign policy: Made In Israel. Reply to this message > House votes 397-21 for “Iran Freedom Support Act” 28th April 2006 - 04h19 - Posted by 64.**.116.* We NEED TO CLEAN OUT CONGRESS AS WELL AS SENATE AND WHITE HOUSE AND NOW! WE DESPERATELY NEED A 2ND AMERICAN REVOLUTION! THEY ARE LISTENING TO GODDAMN ISRAEL OVER AMERICAN PEOPLE! PERIOD! THIS ISN’T AMERICA ANYMORE BUT GODDAMN SLAVE STATE TO ISRAEL! MAKES ME SICK! THESE GODDAMN BASTARDS CALL TYRANNY AND OPPRESSION AT HOME AND ABROAD "FREEDOM" F*CK THEM! THE FASCSIST BASTARDS! THEIR GODDAMN IDEA OF "FREEDOM" IS SLAVERY, AND TYRANNY! Just goes to show how Goddamn powerful Israel Lobby REALLY IS! THE GODDAMN BASTARDS ARE LITERALLY DESTROYING AMERICA FROM WITHIN AND WE NEED A F*CKING REVOLUTION AND NOW! FREEDOM MY ASS! THEIR IDEA OF FREEDOM IS BOMBING THE LIVING HELL OUT OF INNOCENT PEOPLE WHILE STEALING THEIR GODDAMN OIL WHILE OUR G.I’S INVADE AND PUT IN PUPPETS! WE HAVE A F*CKING HUGE PROBLEM PEOPLE! AND IT IS ONLY GONNA GET WORSE! NEXT IS SYRIA! HOW MANY MORE GODDAMN COUNTRIES ARE WE GONNA LET THOSE GODDAMN TRAITORS IN D.C. GET US INTO, WHILE MAKING US LESS SAFE AND BEING IN BED WITH REAL TERRORISTS!? HOW MANY MORE, DUMB F*CKING SHEEP? BEFORE WE RISE UP AND SAY ENOUGH IS F*CKING ENOUGH? IT’S THE MARCH OF WORLDWIDE FASCISM FOLKS UNDER THE DISGUISE OF FIGHTING "TERRORISM" PURE FUCKING BOGUS! RAISE HOLY HELL AND NOW WHILE WE STILL CAN! Reply to this message > House votes 397-21 for “Iran Freedom Support Act” 28th April 2006 - 04h29 - Posted by 72.***.171.*** ROFL! That’s funny! Not the substance (which is dead serious as it should be - enough is enough!), but the form which is hilarious in its candor. Thanks! Reply to this message > House votes 397-21 for “Iran Freedom Support Act” 28th April 2006 - 04h26 - Posted by 64.**.116.* WHO’S NEXT TO BE ON GODDAMN ISRAEL’S HIT PARADE!? I AM BEGINNING TO REALLY HATE ISRAEL! AND I DO MEAN HATE ISRAEL! THOSE GODDAMN MF’ERS IN CONGRESS ARE GOING ALONG WITH BOMBING PEOPLE WHO ARE 60% KIDS! AND WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH WOOLSEY CONYERS AND OTHER SO CALLED FUCKING "PROGRESSIVES"? AIPAC GOT TO THEM? WHEN ARE THESE SAME GODDAMN FASCIST SUPPORTERS GOING TO STAND UP FOR AMERICA? WHEN? WHEN THERE IS NOTHING LEFT? I HATE MAJORITY IN CONGRESS AS WELL! THEY ALL NEED TO BE RUN OUT OF CONGRESS AS WELL! THE GODDAMN SENATE IS PROBABLY WORSE! FUCKING ISRAEL LOVING ABOVE AMERICA BASTARDS! ALL FUCKING TRAITORS! AND WHAT ABOUT GODDAMN BARBARA LEE? WHY DID SHE VOTE YAY!? FUCKING ASSHOLES WE NEED A REVOLUTION AND NOW! Reply to this message > House votes 397-21 for “Iran Freedom Support Act” 28th April 2006 - 18h39 - Posted by 72.**.125.*** I love your hate. You make yourself blind with it. Reply to this message > House votes 397-21 for “Iran Freedom Support Act” 28th April 2006 - 04h30 - Posted by 64.**.116.* EVERY GODDAMN ONE OF THOSE VOTING FOR THIS IN CONGRESS NEEDS REPLACING COME NOV. AND I DO MEAN ALL OF THEM, PERIOD! WORK TO GET THEM ALL OUT AND NOW! RUN SOMEONE AGAINST THEM AND NOW, EVEN GREENS TOO, SOMEONE, JUST GET THEIR TRAITOROUS ASSES OUT OF CONGRESS AND NOW! EXCEPT FOR PATRIOTIC 21, THEY ARE ALL TRAITORS! IRAN "FREEDOM" MY ASS! LIKE IRAQ’S FREEDOM! LYNN WORSLEY AND BARBARA LEE REALLY PISSES ME OFF! SO MUCH FOR THE PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS OF AMERICA! THEY SUCK OBVIOUSLY TOO! INCLUDING JOHN CONYERS! IT’S HIGH TIME FOR REVOLUTION FOLKS AND NOW! BEFORE IT GETS WORSE AND IT WILL! WE NEED TO REVOLT AND NOW! Reply to this message > House votes 397-21 for “Iran Freedom Support Act” 28th April 2006 - 05h43 - Posted by 70.***.238.*** So 116, what do you really think? Actually, I pretty much agree with your sentiments. I can put it very succinctly. VOTE ALL INCUMBENTS OUT! The one and only thing politicans care anything about is holding onto what they think is power. If all incumbents were sent packing can you imagine the profound shock waves that would send through DC?! If would make a statement, and more terrifying to the elities, it would show that we can work together as one. This is the single most terrifying thing for the powers that be. Count on it. Reply to this message > House votes 397-21 for “Iran Freedom Support Act” 28th April 2006 - 18h30 - Posted by 209.***.164.** <a href="http://www.notoneincumbent.com/">www.notoneincumbent.com/</a> Reply to this message > House votes 397-21 for “Iran Freedom Support Act” 28th April 2006 - 06h05 - Posted by 24.**.231.** The Nukes will fly and millions will die all for Isreal. Fuck it.... I hope America falls and falls hard so that the lazy ass MTV generation of video games and reality TV will MAYBE wake up. I think that is what it is going to take.... don’t get me started on the yuppie business men! Reply to this message > House votes 397-21 for “Iran Freedom Support Act” 28th April 2006 - 18h34 - Posted by 72.**.125.*** Are you from this planet? Or just another Liberal Loser? You guys have no answers just HATE. I pity you. Reply to this message > House votes 397-21 for “Iran Freedom Support Act” 28th April 2006 - 19h32 - Posted by 207.***.116.* Since you seem to be all for killing and chaos...I suggest you are the one who is full of hate Reply to this message > House votes 397-21 for “Iran Freedom Support Act” 28th April 2006 - 09h28 - Posted by 80.***.235.*** I sure hope the american people to realize that when the time comes you need to storm the white house.. overturn the people who have led the american ideal astray and smeared it internationally for years to come, committing atrocities and criminal acts against sovereign nations while lulling the masses with lies and deceptions - manufactured reality to support their motives. bush is so innocent and does what he believes is good to do, but who creates his reality ? there are places in the us where children get killed by stray bullets and schools have reinforced windowless walls at ground floor for protection... get over with the crap about who’s democrat or republican it’s just limiting your view on the issue.. you don’t choose your side by picking a label and acting by it, but following what you feel inside. Reply to this message > House votes 397-21 for “Iran Freedom Support Act” 28th April 2006 - 13h42 - Posted by 81.**.9.*** So now at least you know all those in Congress who put American over Israeli interests: 21 out of 397. And so it was once again confirmed: the US is Israel’s bitch, pimping it’s way to a nuclear holocaust. Ain’t democracy a wonderful thing? Reply to this message > House votes 397-21 for “Iran Freedom Support Act” 28th April 2006 - 19h30 - Posted by 207.***.116.*** Oh my GAWD..not again...what is wrong with these people...? Is this why the Dem’s want amnesty for illegals? How many of the twenty million illegals would be fit for fighting in the military..... this sure feels "drafty" Reply to this message > House votes 397-21 for “Iran Freedom Support Act” 28th April 2006 - 22h23 - Posted by 205.***.25.*** All this talk of "FREEDOM" what with Iraq’s new found freedom and the freedom Iran will soon enjoy-just as soon as we nuke the living shit out of them-I am drawn to those famous words spoken by M.L.K...."Free at last, Free at last, Thank God Almighty the Oil’s free at last" At least I think thats what he said before he was killed. Reply to this message > House votes 397-21 for “Iran Freedom Support Act” 29th April 2006 - 09h20 - Posted by 68.**.98.** Bush and his zionist lackeys in Congress are not true Christians, for if they were they would at the very least ignore if not oppose zionist Israel. The NEW TESTAMENT read carefully is an outright indictment of Jews and therefore zionist Israel. 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by **StarmanSkye** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 9:41 pm

"As if Iraq isn’t a big enough mess, the House of Representatives has just voted to ‘hold Iran accountable and support a transition to democracy’." If the bastards really meant this, then they should begin 'supporting a transition to democracy' by re-examining the individuals, agencies, organizations and groups that promoted, supported and followed-through with the CIA-fronted coup that overthrough President Mossedagh back in '54 and re-installed the Monarchy in the person of the Shah. That was one of the most outrageous acts of anti-democracy subversion, violation of foreign state sovereignty, supporting International terrorism and interference in a state's domestic affairs -- which the entire ongoing Middle East tragedy can be traced to. It's beyond contemptable, if expected, that the illegitimate US leaders don't discuss of examine those roots of Middle East conflict. It should be cause to completely reform the CIA, NSA, State Dept., Pentagon, and hold hundreds of surviving statemen and bureaucrats who were involved at the time accountable for their transgression of International laws, treaties, agreements and the Constitution. What the fuck is behind all this dangerous, despicable war-monger sabre-rattling against Iran, and the bribes, threats, blackmail and coercion to make the gutless Congress submit? Certainly the PNAC, AIPAC, leading Defense Industry War Corporateers and rightwing zealots and the Bush Regime are pushing War cuz it suits their various agendas -- but there's gotta be more to it than that. I don't think the public realize just what a powder-keg these idiots are messing with. I'm too disgusted for words. Starman

by **dbeach** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 10:41 pm

related thread at PI Its all orchastrated to keep us confused and the public in slumber..I know its getting old BUT the sinister agenda remains on their schedule..adapting to the changing currents.. ALL DC POLS have sold the US middle class into slavery..as the US goes so goes the remaining so called free nations <a href="http://www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=17634">www.progressiveindependen...c_id=17634</a>

by **Dreams End** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 11:45 pm

When did Conyers and Boxer become neocons? This is just like Iraq wars one and two. Nothing new. Please, folks, understand that while the neocons are the frontmen....it's ALWAYS bipartisan when the killing starts.

by **marykmusic** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 12:08 am

The "revolution" that overthrew the Shah was an op, too. I've written about this before. --MaryK

by **Sepka** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 1:45 pm

As unpalatable as the prospect of war is, it's infinitely preferable to the prospect of Iran with nuclear weapons. Diplomacy seems not to be working. The UN, as it was designed to do, produces words rather than action. What option is left apart from pre-emptive military action? -Sepka the Space Weasel

by **Dreams End** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 1:52 pm

Yeah. Just like Iraq.

by **StarmanSkye** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 3:38 pm

"What option is left apart from pre-emptive military action?" A great example of how the PTB are pre-emptively managing public debate by steering public policy toward a foregone conclusion, ie., "See? There ARE no 'other' options -- We MUST attack, kill, destroy, threaten, invade, lie to achieve our ends, manipulate public opinion because the Rubes are too stupid and cowardly to understand the issues or approve the necessary actions to defend their priveleged, self-indulgent lifestyles, ..." etc. Any reasonably-intelligent thinking person ought to be able to list and discuss a dozen alternative 'options' instead of simply tagging-onto and propagating the mind-numbing fear-and-terror song-and-dance rhetoric. As I suggested in my previous comment, there is an enormous potential for the purposes of forging a global consensus for cooperative peace agreements in the process of national self-reflection in which decades of the US's enormously wasteful, antagonistic, aggressive policy decisions and actions become the topic of extreme focus -- which is and has-been consistently overlooked. Even this aspect of selective, deliberate avoidance (within the body politic, and extending to the 'public forum') of considering HOW and to what extent the US (and other states, notably the UK) have caused, contributed to, aggravated, and provoked the current global political and security crisis in the Middle East needs to be addressed. The neocon-led call to pre-emptive attack' -- as IF it would or could actually 'solve' a particular problem without causing more, perhaps even far greater-- is a symptom of the nation's myopic insularity by which the 'popular' public attention is purposely diverted away from acknowledging the US's ignominous history of criminal, duplicious and reckless actions in fomenting Middle East strife and antagonisms according to the imperatives of a deeply -flawed Cold War strategy that in retrospect can be seen to have been a series of huge mistakes on numerous fronts -- notably, the Cold War's Communist 'threat' having been greatly axaggerated and co-opted to justify disasterous, horrific policies on behalf of exploitive economic agendas -- in which foreign policy was increasingly influenced by the inter-related interests of defense industry, banking, finance and resource sectors. I mean, it's not like these themes aren't discussed or acknowledged on this forum -- as the evidence for covert US complicity in provoking and aggravating regional instability and security concerns. What is notably lacking in the US public 'discussion' of the US's history and foreign policy interests in the Middle East is a frank analysis of whether the interests of American citizens have, actually, been well-served; To the extent that the US is now embroiled in a criminal war and numerous criminal activities, kidnappings, covert terrorism by Special Forces and CIA and mercenaries and 'other' agents of political and economic violence, arousing enormous antipathy and organized anti-American resistance that threaten to escalate violence beyond the region and affect major international relations as well as crucial energy supplies -- a damn good case can be made that the US's present course does NOT serve anyone but a small group of elite special interests (following the same pattern in numerous past conflicts that could and SHOULD have been averted -- Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Gulf War One, Panama, Guatamala, Honduras, Iraq, Haiti, Phillipines -- and even WW 2, which was deliberately incited). The intellectual poverty which insists that Iran's nuclear program represents an actual threat to regional and world peace that can ONLY be 'solved' by military means is a symptom of the extent America has ceased to be a democratic republic. I emphasize, as I have in numerous discussions over the past several years whenever the issue of America's 'need' to wage war to 'solve' some problem is raised, that what is needed is a total internal review of US policy and institutions, and a radical reform of how policy is created and implemented -- given the extent the US itself has so often essentially caused or seriously aggravated the problems or crisis in the first place, by its ruinous Foreign Policies. This demonstration of principled self-rule governance according to ideals of social justice and collective security, true progress and peace would do MUCH more to actually improve international relations than the rule by force -- so that the root causes of violence -- poverty, suffering, injustice, competing interests, disagreements, unaddressed wrongs, and greed -- can be rigorously eradicated. It's not an 'accident' that the US's war-economy addiction isn't meaningfully addressed by our 'leaders'. But THAT'S the root-cause of the crisis which the Bush administration has manufactured, building on a long tradition of dishonorable actions that has confounded democracy, peace and continuing justice and progress in the Middle East. The threat of the US and its revised military doctrine mainstreaming the use of its nuclear arms to world peace is FAR greater than anything Iran will be capable of, especially within at least a half-dozen years -- a period long enough to SUBSTANTIALLY develop constructive relations based on expanded trade and substantive negotiation, IF our 'leaders' were so motivated -- as a review of position papers and articles written by foreign policy and international relations analysts from around the world would readily reveal. The arrogance and contempt of the usual suspects promoting and rationalizing war as the 'best' solution is simply over-the-top unconscionable -- It may take something like an escalating global-nuclear conflict before Americans wake-up to the treasonous 'enemies' within its gates -- and outlaw war profiteers and centralized institutions as inherantly unjust, the REAL culprits preventing the world-wide development of peaceful civilzation. Starman

by **Sepka** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 10:48 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Any reasonably-intelligent thinking person ought to be able to list and discuss a dozen alternative 'options' <hr></blockquote> I'd be interested to see the list of 'options'. The fundamental problem is that Iran has no interest in a peaceful resolution. They're playing for time until they can get their bomb built. It doesn't really matter how much thought and imagination you bring to diplomacy if the other side just isn't interested in making a deal. A trade embargo isn't a viable option, since the Russians aren't interested in helping. Food and trade goods are going to keep moving into Iran just as before. Even if such an embargo could be established, the Iranians could probably wait it out. Such measures become unpopular in direct proportion to their success. As soon as the Iranian populace began to suffer, there'd be initiatives to lessen the effects. What's left beside unilaterally removing Iran's ability to manufacture a bomb? I'd really like to imagine that there are other workable options, but they just don't seem to be there. -Sepka the Space Weasel

by **Dreams End** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 10:51 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>They're playing for time until they can get their bomb built<hr></blockquote> You know this....how? You know, when Fox News says "We report, you decide"...they don't really mean it.

by **chiggerbit** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 11:23 pm

It doesn't really matter how much thought and imagination you bring to diplomacy if the other side just isn't interested in making a deal. Scheeze, does this sound familiar or what? Bush is the one who had his mind made up before he ever won his first election that he was going to go after Saddam, no matter what excuse he had to manufacture. It was clear a full year before he invaded Iraq that his mind was made up. All that posturing about "diplomacy" was a fraud. It would appear that he has made his mind up again, "just isn't interested in making a deal", no matter what his bosses, the American voters, think. The Iranian people elected an extremist to represent them in the face of an extremist enemy's meddling in Iraq. The kooky Iranian president balances the kooky American president. Action begets reaction. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 4/30/06 9:28 pm

by **Sepka** » Mon May 01, 2006 12:21 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>You know this....how?<hr></blockquote> There's no other explanation that fits their behaviour. They've been repeatedly offered the means of implementing a nuclear program for peaceful use, a method that gives them everything they say they want, with the only catch being that it would be managed in such a way that they couldn't build a bomb. They've repeatedly rejected that. What other conclusion can be drawn? -Sepka the Space Weasel

by **friend catcher** » Mon May 01, 2006 5:07 am

Iranian nuclear facilities have been checked more times and by more inspectors than any other country in the IAEA's history. The problem with the inspectors is not what they have found but what they have not found. Each inspection has resulted in pressure from US/UK to go back and dig deeper not in order to find anything of significance but to push the Iranian's into a position of intransigence. Put it this way if in a census interview the bog standard questions about income, assets, family numbers etc were to be supplemented by "How many times a night, Sir? How big's your dick?" and such like, you would be entitled to not answer, and take offence. The census people can then accuse you of not complying and are therefore clearly hiding secrets. And of course there's a willing reception by the public drones who know next to nothing about Iran except they've been painted as bad guys for so long it must be true. Some links <a href="http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/aam260406.html">mrzine.monthlyreview.org/aam260406.html</a> <a href="http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12879.htm">www.informationclearingho...e12879.htm</a> <a href="http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20060313_fishing_for_a_pretext_in_iran/">www.truthdig.com/report/i...t_in_iran/</a> Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=friendcatcher>friend catcher</A> at: 5/1/06 3:24 am

by **NavnDansk** » Mon May 01, 2006 5:56 am

she voted for the "Patriot" Act along with all but 2 Dems, Feingold was one and Leahy the other.

by **NavnDansk** » Mon May 01, 2006 6:14 am

I have begun to look for left gatekeeper evidence, not hard to find, but not reporting this right away is ......<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/mad.gif ALT=">:">

Conyers, Boxer back attack on Iran

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Iranian fantasies

I am stunned about Conyers and even Sen. Boxer though

Nothing on Conyers' Blog, Dem Underground or Kos on this

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