immigration

[jingofever]

Bush gave his immigration speech tonight. We can forget about most of the proposals and focus on the national id card plan. I did not see the speech but have heard Bush suggested such a card, here: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.reason.com/hitandrun/2006/05/bush_national_i.shtml#013889">www.reason.com/hitandrun/...tml#013889</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Here is where I throw out some speculation, however wrong it may be. This immigration issue seems to have blossomed out of nothing. All of the sudden it is a problem and Bush must deal with it. So far, his proposals have not thrilled his base; not his voting base nor his financial base, and for seperate reasons. So why would he play with fire on this issue? To ram a national id card down our throats? <p></p><i></i>

[HMKGrey]

Or just to try and fill up the front pages and water cooler debates with something that isn't the fact that the NSA - under his own and Cheney's direction - have been trolling our phone records the past 5 years and he's, yet again, caught in a bunch of total, bald faced lies about it. <br><br>With these fuckers, it's all politics, all the times. We're kidding ourselves if we ever think that actual policy has ever entered the room. At least in day light. <p></p><i></i>

[Sepka]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>So far, his proposals have not thrilled his base; not his voting base nor his financial base, and for seperate reasons. So why would he play with fire on this issue?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>IMHO, because he promised Vincente Fox that he would. Making policy on the basis of personal friendships rather than national interest was always the great failing of the Bushs, father and son.<br><br>Also the Mexican election is coming up on July 2nd, and Fox's man Calderon is way behind in the polls. I think Bush would rather have waited until closer to the election to propose amnesty, so as to help Fox's party, but his hand was forced by the House.<br><br>Lastly, Bush isn't too bright, but he's an eternal optimist. He probably really does imagine that he can pull together some sort of concensus that will please everyone.<br><br>-Sepka the Space Weasel <p></p><i></i>

[NavnDansk]

stage by others than junior. PNAC which has cheney and jeb as members is one. They really are following the Illuminati/Nazi plan.<br><br>Since people have noted that Cheney and Bush say "What are you going to do about it?" to all the illegal and immoral actions of bushco from torture, to highjacking our military and abusing our troops, to the Patriot Act to Bush admitting he is illegally spying on US citizens and approved the outing of Plame, the ball is in our court - What can we do about it? It looks like the CIA and other agencies are leaking and with the many investigations of the Bush Regime, some of the PTBs are fighting bush but what can we do?<br><br>Bush is pushing as much of the plan as possible to counter any effective stopping of this rapid slide into fascism and that includes acting like a dictator or a father figure - male domination cult is right to see how many people will let him get away with it because unless people take to the streets which they haven't done so far but that eventuality has been wargamed long ago and the Halliburton concentration camps and the publicity to intimidate people, Operations Viper and Granite, tracking any sources of rebellion like the raging grannies and the Quakers and where they are to arrest them, the National ID card, the secret legislation and Executive orders.<br><br>I don't think that the Bush Regime is all that worried about uprising of the American people because they have planned for it and it includes getting rid of Posse Comitarus and already using Blackwater mercenaries in Iraq and the American Gulf States using Katrina as an excuse. The Bush Crime family has their own personal mercenaries paid for with taxpayer money, bush junior does not depend only on the Secret Service for protection and who knows how many Blackwater mercs are already taking over policing and how many Bushco has ready to let loose on Americans when they start taking to the streets when the economy collapses.<br><br>Oh well, I'm trying to spend part of my time online on spiritual sites. Crystal Links.com has a good overview of many spiritual ideas and Wikipedia has some excellent links that I would not have found on my own for spiritual and art sites. <p></p><i></i>

[jingofever]

If you remember, shortly after 11 September 2001, there were people calling for a National ID Card; the idea being that they will help identify terrorists. [1] These proposals never got far enough in the United States at least. In Britain, ID cards seem to be on their way, Blair having won a vote in February. In Britain, the justification is that they will "help the police fight terrorism, organized crime and identity fraud." [2] We can probably expect those arguments along with the now central immigration angle. Canada seems to be reluctant to institute a national ID card, though the U.S. is pressuring them to do something along those lines. [3, 4] So, the terrorism strategy doesn't work in the U.S. and now we start getting the immigration strategy.<br><br>1. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.epic.org/privacy/id_cards/">www.epic.org/privacy/id_cards/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> - there are a lot of news stories linked here<br><br>2. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/14/international/europe/14britain.html?ex=1297573200&en=815d88d205ad640b&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss">www.nytimes.com/2006/02/1...nd&emc=rss</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>3. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.hamiltonspectator.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=hamilton/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1145483417325&call_pageid=1020420665036&col=1112101662670">www.hamiltonspectator.com...2101662670</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>4. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1145483414721&call_pageid=968256290204&col=968350116795">www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs...8350116795</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>

[meek]

NavnDansk,<br><br>Go to www.watchmanreport.com and go down the Rabbit Hole.<br><br>It ties prophesy into current events and is definitely not your typical "religious" site. Hope to see you there.<br><br>Meek<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[dbeach]

checked out that watchman site I have no problem attending Mass and receiving what for me is the Body of Jesus Christ in the Holy Eucharist . With that.. Rome and anybody higher than a local Priest is highly. suspicious to me and I don't obey most Church Laws anyways Satan owns the Catholic Church since 1962 . IMHO..<br><br>Now back to immigration which is an explosive topic and guarenteed to divide many .. exactly part of the fascist plans.<br> My wife is a legal imigrant..Do you know how much it cost to bring someone here on your own or with aid of a hired attorney ????BIG BUCKS..<br><br>I do not support illegal immigaartion . I feel for these people. BUT they are used as tools in many ways to further the destruction of the deteriorating middle class....<br><br>The DC pols are gonna make this problem worse Guarenteed!<br><br>Funny how these explosive topics arrive when the bushies are in trouble...<br><br>Thats my views based on my own value system.. <p></p><i></i>

[Col Quisp]

Why the sudden move to seal off the mexican border? Maybe it's to keep us in? <p></p><i></i>

[dbeach]

to condition the munchkens to accept the US Military for EVERY crisis<br><br>It does not matter the problem bush uses the military as would any banana republic dictator ..which is about what the USA is gonna become when the bush mean machine is finished<br><br>the economic collapse of the middle class will begin the caos and fulfill the goal of making 2 kinds of people ..the privleged and the commoners..<br><br>ONLY bush is not stopping there .. its gonna be 1984 USSR worse than you can imagine in your worst nightmares... <br><br>he was born to destroy this planet<br><br>I think that ONLY a few souls in govt can prevent this.<br><br>IF there is good CIA FBI ect ???BIG IF???<br> they are waiting or are they waiting way too long ??<br><br> <p></p><i></i>