Pastors as enforcers for FEMA?

[Wolfmoon Lady]

We talked about multiple scenarios of martial law, post-Katrina. I don't think we got into this particular area -- of FEMA using local church officials to help TPTB 'manage' the masses. What say you? This seems entirely plausible to me. Are they really doing it? Does anyone have knowledge (anecdotal or otherwise) of a pastor who has been approached in such as manner as described by Paul Watson? Any alarm bells ringing among those who regularly attend church? I'm VERY curious about this.<br><br>(This was sent to me by a friend who subscribes to Citizens for Legitimate Government; I traced the link back to Prison Planet.)<br><!--EZCODE HR START--><hr /><!--EZCODE HR END--><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2006/240506femaplan.htm" target="top">Secret FEMA Plan To Use Pastors as Pacifiers in Preparation For Martial Law</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>Nationwide initiative trains volunteers to teach congregations to "obey the government" during seizure of guns, property, forced inoculations and forced relocation<br><br>Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | May 24 2006<br><br>A Pastor has come forward to blow the whistle on a nationwide FEMA program which is training Pastors and other religious representatives to become secret police enforcers who teach their congregations to "obey the government" in preparation for a declaration of martial law, property and firearm seizures, and forced relocation.<br><br>In March of this year the Pastor, who we shall refer to as Pastor Revere, was invited to attend a meeting of his local FEMA chapter which circulated around preparedness for a potential bio-terrorist attack, any natural disaster or a nationally declared emergency.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The FEMA directors told the Pastors that attended that it was their job to help implement FEMA and Homeland Security directives in anticipation of any of these eventualities. The first directive was for Pastors to preach to their congregations Romans 13, the often taken out of context bible passage that was used by Hitler to hoodwink Christians into supporting him, in order to teach them to "obey the government" when martial law is declared.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>It was related to the Pastors that quarantines, martial law and forced relocation were a problem for state authorities when enforcing federal mandates due to the "cowboy mentality" of citizens standing up for their property and second amendment rights as well as farmers defending their crops and livestock from seizure. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>It was stressed that the Pastors needed to preach subservience to the authorities ahead of time in preparation for the round-ups and to make it clear to the congregation that "this is for their own good."</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>We have received confirmation from other preachers and Pastors that this program is a nationwide initiative and a literal Soviet model whereby the churches are being systematically infiltrated by government volunteers and used as conduits for martial law training and conditioning. The Pastor was told that over 1,300 counties were already on board.<br><br>It falls under the umbrella of the <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.nvoad.org/" target="top">NVOAD program</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> which is training volunteers in a "Peer to Peer" program in a neighborhood setting.<br><br>Pastors were told that the would be backed up by law enforcement in controlling uncooperative individuals and that they would even lead SWAT teams in attempting to quell resistance. *snip* <p></p><i></i>

[rothbardian]

Thanks for that info. Extremely sinister stuff. It certainly fits into my theoretical framework. <p></p><i></i>

[lilorphant]

This is a test, but yes, I do think they are being used to promote FEMA initiatives. <p></p><i></i>

[lilorphant]

I live on the Gulf Coast, and if you do not belong to a church you do not get much help. This has been from the start. We have been approached by volunteer groups, canvassing the neighborhood, and they usually ask about damages, and of course they get around to what church you attend. We do not, so they move on, we never hear from them again.<br><br><br><br>The church groups and government are so intermingled now, it is difficult to separate them, for example, those churches that still exist are often used for government purposes, such as FEMA registration, Homeowners grant registration, any state or federal use seems to be okay. On the other hand, public buildings are also bing used for church purposes, such as the schools. <br><br>Groups such as Mercy Corps have given care packages to the kids at the public school, complete with a book that declares evolution a lie, Kurt Kobain went to hell, homosexuals are frying in hell, and all sots of crap. So they bring gifts on one hand but there is an obvious attempt to indoctrinate or get you to join their chuch. And always the bible, we have dozens of them now.<br><br>Some of the groups are better than others, some are more accepting, and you have to figure on which is which. There are also Buddhists, Scientiologists, Quakers, and Mennonites. <br><br>So the whole plan down here seems to me to be one big experiment on how to turn the country into a fascist Republico wet dream. Curfews, cash only economy, security, contractor and bureaucratic hell, layers of paperwork and accompanying authority figures. Everyone throws their weight around, everyone is an authority, a representation of security "disaster assistance", security guard, cops from all over the country, and the role of the pastor is one manifestation of this. <br><br>People are exhausted, and those that had damage are divided into two groups. Those obviously not to be fucked with (by the government) and those that can be fucked with (by forcing them to move, take their land, grind them down under all the paperwork, and then give them a hard time when they rebuild) It's the wild west, and it is everyone for themself. You have to get your clan together, and stick together, help each other out, or you will have to deal with the churches, the government, and contractors. <br><br>FEMA is a fascist entity-Moulder was right.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[plsmith]

It's a concept that's being utilized far beyond FEMA:<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Dominionism In Action</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>OHIO</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>"Ohio will be a training ground that will launch a national reformation." <br><br>The Ohio Restoration Project was founded:<br><br> to identify and train thousands of "Patriot Pastors" to get out the conservative religious vote next year. According to press reports, the leader of the movement -- the senior pastor of a large church in suburban Columbus -- casts the 2006 elections as an apocalyptic clash between "the forces of righteousness and the hordes of hell." <br><br>Plenty more at: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.theocracywatch.org/">www.theocracywatch.org/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=plsmith>plsmith</A> at: 5/29/06 9:32 am<br></i>

[Wolfmoon Lady]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I live on the Gulf Coast, and if you do not belong to a church you do not get much help. This has been from the start. We have been approached by volunteer groups, canvassing the neighborhood, and they usually ask about damages, and of course they get around to what church you attend. We do not, so they move on, we never hear from them again.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END-->Lil, thank you so much for sharing your own experiences in the aftermath of Katrina. Frankly, I am stunned by your disclosures. What kind of people walk away from disaster victims if they don't belong to a church? Does this mean you're not worth saving, in their opinion? My God.<br><br>The "Wild West" is a good analogy for what goes on down there. From what I've heard, you're right about the two emerging camps: the 'not to be fucked with' and the 'fuck thems'. It's all about political connections and money.<br><br>FYI: My transgender friend, Morwen, keeps a <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://gentillygirl.com/" target="top">blog</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> on her experiences in the Gentilly area of NOLA. She could have stayed in San Diego, where she fled before Katrina hit, but she came back to help rebuild, and to keep the vultures away from Gentilly. Recently, she wrote a bitter blogpost about the re-election of Mayor Nagin (whom she calls "Willy Wonka"):<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>The Day After<br><br>First off, you have no idea how much whisky I poured down my throat last night watching the returns from the election. Overall the results weren’t that bad, but Nagin got re-elected. (Wish I had a hang-over to match my mood.)<br><br>To the fools that voted for Willy Wonka’s stand-in: You will never see the Lower Ninth or East N.O. rebuilt, or if it is, it won’t be for you folks. Can we say Cannizaro?<br><br>For those folks from the Projects that voted on race: you’re never coming home again. You won’t be able to afford to live here in the new New Orleans. You have helped undo everything that this city stood for over the centuries. I hope you like living in Detroit.<br><br>Well, at least we have a new City Council… maybe they can overcome the insanity of ‘Chocolate City’ Ray and his bid’ness buddies. (Batt and Clarkson are gone… sweet zombie Jezus, yes!)<br><br>Those of us here will live, it just means we will have to fight harder to save our city. For those who voted for Nagin, stay the fuck away from our city. We don’t want you here.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END-->Clearly, many separate factions with various agendas are fighting against each other. Those with money and political clout will try to rule over the rest. That said, I don't discount the sustained impact of local grassroots movements like Morwen's. These 'take back the city' folks may not be able (initially) to compete with the political machines but their courage and tenacity is admirable. Indeed, they can teach the whole country a lesson about the power of organizing and sharing resources for the common good. <p></p><i></i>

[Wolfmoon Lady]

You're welcome, Roth. I'm hoping to get more anecdotal evidence to support the article's contention that this is actually happening. Lilorphant kindly supplied a first-hand account, for which I am grateful.<br><br>Orwell, btw, gave us a portrayal of a world where the State (BB) becomes God (or supplants God), which is necessary in order for totalitarianism to succeed. That is why this subject is so offensive. To manipulate and control people through their belief system, which they plan to eventually eradicate, once it no longer serves their purpose, goes beyond the pale.<br><br>I'm hoping that right-thinking clergy of all denominations will see this for what it is, and reject it in the name of everything holy. Else, one day, people will be expected to kneel down whenever BUSHCO's image is broadcasted on-screen. It goes without saying that they will shoot non-believers. <p></p><i></i>

[rothbardian]

Wolfmoon Lady--<br><br>If or when these bad guys continue to close in on our freedoms, it will make for increasingly interesting bedfellows. I suspect you and I are from very divergent backgrounds/cultures but with this type of thing happening, there is instant 'common ground'. Actually, I already have an extremely diverse group of people in my social circle but up to this point, our connection has never had anything to do with 'politics' or world events. That has been changing as of recently.<br><br>(By the way, FYI, I have virtually total disagreement with all things 'conservative'. I'm a freedom advocate-- I want the regimes of both right <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>and</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> left varieties to go away.)<br> <p></p><i></i>

[Sweejak]

Audio snip:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.h-files.hraunfjord.org/Sweejak/AJ-Pastortraining.mov">www.h-files.hraunfjord.or...aining.mov</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br> <p></p><i></i>

[Wolfmoon Lady]

<br>Thank you, Sweejak. I forward the audio link to several people, who will also forward it.<br><br>"Disaster relief" is now called "spiritual care."<br>"Quarantine" is now called "social distancing."<br><br>Just two examples of FEMA newspeak.<br><br>In the Alex Jones interview, Pastor Revere gives a chilling account of FEMA's indoctrination efforts. Existing social networks are being disrupted. Neighbors are encouraged to speak directly to authorities when they see something wrong rather than knocking on the person's door. Fearmongering, sanitizing language, and spying/reporting on others. What a fine set of variables FEMA manipulates for their cause.<br><br>Further, Revere claims many pastors just nodded in assent when FEMA trainers suggested they 'put the Bible aside' in a time of crisis because the Bible cannot help when martial law has been declared. That is what they are being told. If there is nothing in the Bible that can help people then why is FEMA so hot to recruit pastors?<br><br>Never mind. Rhetorical question.<br><br>According to Revere, over 13,000 of these meetings have already been scheduled across the country through June and July. <p></p><i></i>