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by **sunny** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 9:35 am

<a href="http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2006/06/am-i-being-watched-are-you.html">cannonfire.blogspot.com/2...e-you.html</a> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Am I being watched? Are you? Remember when we discussed the secret room in San Francisco where ATT redirects internet traffic to NSA monitors? Wired has outlined a way to find out if your net activity is going there -- and thus, presumably, to Uncle<hr></blockquote>.

by **friend catcher** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 12:55 pm

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by **bvonahsen** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 1:13 pm

Here is the article with comments. I had the same results as the others. IP of 12.110.110.132 came up and after that nothing but timouts. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Remember when we discussed the secret room in San Francisco where ATT redirects internet traffic to NSA monitors? Wired has outlined a way to find out if your net activity is going there -- and thus, presumably, to Uncle. The Wired site isn't accessible at this writing, but the story was republished in pertinent part by the Left Coaster. Basically, the technique is pretty simple. If you're running Windows, go to Start/Run/cmd to get to the DOS prompt. Then type tracert nsa.gov Your computer will then try to find a path to the NSA (whose IP number is 12.110.110.204) in 30 easy steps. This process will take a little while. The NSA's IP number probably won't show up in your traceroute -- but that's not the location you're really looking for. What you're looking for is that small room in San Francisco. Which means that the following string is key: sffca.ip.att.net. If those letters show up at any point in the trace route, you MAY have trouble. Here is what Wired writer Kevin Poulsen says: If it's present immediately above or below a non-att.net entry, then -- by [AT&T whistleblower Mark] Klein's allegations -- your packets are being copied into room 641A, and from there, illegally, to the NSA. Of course, if internet pioneer and former FCC advisor J. Scott Marcus (who held a Top Secret security clearance) is correct, and AT&T has installed these secret rooms all around the country, then any att.net entry in your route is a bad sign. Naturally, I tried this trick. Naturally, the magic string -- sffca.ip.att.net -- showed up in my traceroute. Two steps above it was an IP connected to my service provider. Sandwiched between this (quite legitimate) address and that dreaded room in San Francisco was this number: 144.232.9.206. I used this service to check out who owns that number; the trail led to a building in downtown L.A. An NSA outpost? Hell if I know. Below the sffca number, the information was routed to another att.net location in Saint Louis, and from there to att.net in Washington, DC. From there, it went to a mysterious number in...Ohio. At this point, my soi-disant computer savvy has reached its limit, and I'm not sure how to interpret the info. Where does paranoia end and legitimate concern begin? We need a True Geek to speak with authority on this matter. Try this trick at home, kids. Tell me what you come up with. Perhaps someone who knows more about tracert can tell us whether those att.net addresses really do spell trouble. # posted by Joseph : 4:57 AM 5 comments Comments: I tried it. On the 13th step, the IP of 12.110.110.132 came up. After that, which is suspiciously close to the NSA IP, every other step timed out. Does this mean I'm on Nixon's enemy list? Or am I inflating my own self-importance? # posted by unirealist : 5:53 AM Same thing happened here: 12.110.110.132 followed by time outs. # posted by Jeff : 6:59 AM Just slightly different here. My 9th and 10th steps both had wswdc.ip.att.net as part of the address. My 12th was 12.110.110.131. After that, nothing but timeouts. # posted by Anonymous : 7:26 AM lately in south carolina, numerous cities, if you report any phone or internet problems, Bellsouth now wants to COME TO YOUR HOME! Mind you, Bellsouth did not come to your home for any installations until recently. Also be aware that " sending a repairman" is the FIRST option now offered on ALL problems.... wierder than wierd and likewise the corporate response when they were asked if this new " service" was in any way connected to the NSA spying.. Be aware people....... # posted by Anonymous : 7:37 AM A Quick google dig. Using an iplookup tool, the owner of 12.110.110.132 is LinguaLISTek. Here's a small company profile of them at <a href="http://www.dnovus.com/seaport1.asp">www.dnovus.com/seaport1.asp</a> " LinguaLISTek is a Woman-Owned, Minority-Owned, and Veteran-Owned company, and is certified by the Small Business Administration as an 8(a), Small & Disadvantaged Business. LinguaLISTek has been in business since 1997, with their corporate office located in Columbia, Maryland, and a branch office in San Antonio, Texas. LinguaLISTek has additional personnel in auxiliary locations to include Georgia, North Carolina, and Pennsylvania. Lingual Information System Technologies (LinguaLISTek), a leader in IT solutions and Language services, is dedicated to providing state-of-the-art language training, system/software development and life cycle support, networking, language and network security and IT business services and solutions to customers such as the National Security Agency, Defense Intelligence Agency, the United States Navy, US Army, and the US Air Force in various industries throughout the United States." Through the iplookup, their ip range is directly connected to AT&T Worldnet Services. Again, my tech savvy is limited as to what this may mean. But, grounds for paranoia and possibly some FOIA requests? I'd say it's likely.<hr></blockquote>

by **StarmanSkye** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 6:06 pm

Thanks for the further info, Bvonahsen; My results were identical with 12.110.110.132 at 12th step. But geobytes locator traced that to Las Vegas. I have two different att.net entries before that (twice each): cgcil.ip.att.net and v54ny.ip.att.net Considering that you and me and millions of other folks like us with eclectic net reading interests are about as 'dangerous' as a mild summer day under mostly-clear skies with variable light winds from the west-northwest, I wouldn't be surprised if our web-traffic were being monitored -- after all, the 'intelligence' agencies have shown they are certainly consistent, highly-motivated and adept at squandering resources, ignoring actual crimes and corruption, fraud and abuses by officials in order to promote the BS fear-and-awe theme that 'Alien terrarista boogiemen' are out to get us. What a Hoot! Starman

by **friend catcher** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 6:33 pm

My details are exactly the same as Starman's plus one extra ip located in Boston

by **Pirx** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 6:48 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>folks like us with eclectic net reading interests are about as 'dangerous' as a mild summer day<hr></blockquote> But your reading habits can indeed be used against you, as in the case of <a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/olson1.html">Walt Anderson</a>- The press have painted a damning picture of Walt Anderson as a quixotic and aberrant individual obsessed with phony identities, "underground books" about "disappearing," and of course all those questionable offshore business dealings allegedly designed solely to hide income. I mean, my God, he reads unusual books and he wears black clothes. He must, therefore, be a deviant, malcontent tax evader! (Never mind that my teenage daughter also dresses in all-black "goth" fashion, black clothing has always fashionable in the "hip" circles from the East Village to L.A., the "underground books" they mentioned are openly available for sale on the Internet, and while performing certain activities under an assumed name may be considered illegal, having a second passport – under your own name – definitely is not.) <a href="http://www.justiceforwalt.com/">Read a book, go to jail....indefinitely.</a> He has been deemed a "flight risk" because he has certain controversial books in his collection that makes prosecutors uncomfortable - books that many other Americans - Americans who've never been accused of a crime or are even contemplating one - may also have on their shelves. He is being denied access to the media. He is being denied access to legitimate personal resources that he would use to pay for his defense counsel, and has been reduced to being assigned a Public Defender.

by **bvonahsen** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 11:05 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>folks like us with eclectic net reading interests are about as 'dangerous' as a mild summer day<hr></blockquote> That was my initial reasoning behind using my real name and initials on easy board. I figured I'm nobody special and not a threat so whats the big deal? I do 3D and other CG stuff and I wanted to be "professional", I'd like a job in the industry someday so what the heck. Then I started reading RI. It's all Jeff's fault... yeah... thats the ticket.... <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)">

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 12:02 am

I'd expect that everyone possible that is on the internet would have their web surfing tracked in order to create personality profiles to use as the basis for predictive software algorithms which would then do most of the snoop work automatically. And since it is the middle class that first showed up on the internet to spill their guts as digitized human behavior, we are the ones the government knows most about since the poor still consume mostly TV and movies. If someone is just using the internet for going to sports info and shopping, they probably aren't aware of Operation Mockingbird or who killed the Kennedys or what really happened in Fallujah. So it would be valuable to the Total Information Awareness goons to know what 'totally innocent' people do as a reference point for discerning 'resisters.'

by **Rigorous Intuition** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 12:29 am

Spy Agency Sought U.S. Call Records Before 9/11, Lawyers Say June 30 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. National Security Agency asked AT&T Inc. to help it set up a domestic call monitoring site seven months before the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, lawyers claimed June 23 in court papers filed in New York federal court. The allegation is part of a court filing adding AT&T, the nation's largest telephone company, as a defendant in a breach of privacy case filed earlier this month on behalf of Verizon Communications Inc. and BellSouth Corp. customers. The suit alleges that the three carriers, the NSA and President George W. Bush violated the Telecommunications Act of 1934 and the U.S. Constitution, and seeks money damages. ``The Bush Administration asserted this became necessary after 9/11,'' plaintiff's lawyer Carl Mayer said in a telephone interview. ``This undermines that assertion.'' ... <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=abIV0cO64zJE&refer=">www.bloomberg.com</a>

by JD » Sat Jul 01, 2006 3:39 am

At first glance this is really bizarre. Running the tracert nsa.gov - timed out at 17 steps with 12.110.110.132 After trying this it wasn't clear if this is routine or not. So I tried typing some others: The first was a scary choice: tracert cia.gov - timed out after 11 steps at 157.130.85.234 Holy pretty spooky! Then I tried another gov agency: tracert irs.gov - timed out after 11 steps at 65.207.235.354 Wow they want my money! Next I tried Elections Canada tracert elections.ca - timed out after 9 steps at 199.212.172.10 Elections Canada is interested in me?? Next I tried the Freshwater Fish Marketing Corporation which is a Canadian government agency www.freshwaterfish.com tracert freshwaterfish.com - timed out after 12 steps at 205.200.66.207 OH MY GOD - THEY WANT MY FRESHWATER FISH!!! Uh huh. Come on people - let's keep paranoia in check. I don't know WTF this tracert is really doing but suspect it is kinda like a "Seven Degrees of Kevin Bacon" thing that links you to ANY IP address.

by **Et in Arcadia ego** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 3:40 am

I made it to 12.110.110.131 on step 9 and everything after that times out. That IP's registered to: LINGUALISTEK LINGUALI73-110-128 ? ____________________ Oderint, dum metuant

by **anotherdrew** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 4:09 am

copying off net traffic can be done transparently on any cisco gear. this can be done without any way of detecting it, if this is all true, I'd be surprise they'd implement in such a ham-fisted fasion. but not really, half assed it typical from these clowns. We're in real trouble now, they're coming after the internet in full force, that was always what I called my 'last warning sign.' I think we may be in their prefered end-game scenario already. keep heads down and hope for the best folks, it's gonna get more seriuous from here out. just two points of concern - bush has a few months to start making iraq look like a win, if he can, he wins. He just might be able to, depending on the level to which bush's people have been creating the insurgency; some positive enconomic numbers in the same time frame would be bad. This is what I think we're looking at, bush is going to seem to make a comeback. hell, it's already starting, 1 point a week will make the dominant story. who they'll run remains unsure.

by JD » Sat Jul 01, 2006 4:09 am

And just in case the Freshwater Fish Marketing Corporation wasn't convincing (it could be a front after all.......) I timed out to MY OWN COMPANY from my home address in six steps. My god - am I watching myself and didn't even know it? Or alternatively, maybe the Kevin Bacon hypothesis is more likely? Let's go with the latter as I can assure all RI readers that there is no evil plans at the company I founded! I also timed out to Via Rail, and Parks Canada too. Nefarious agencies for sure. (not!) Finally I tried the ultimate test: tracert rigorousintuition.blogspot.com Trace complete in 13 steps to an IP address which anyone trying the tracert command can get. Yeah I don't think this tracert is telling anything nefarious. Sleep well tonight.

by **Et in Arcadia ego** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 4:16 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>bush is going to seem to make a comeback.<hr></blockquote> Another Katrina will rectify that comeback quite nicely. I don't want to see a single person suffer injury, but if we have a major hurricane make landfall on a major city, you know as well as I do what kind of result that's going to produce, both short and long-term. If the people are too anethestized to act on their own, I'm sure Mother Nature will gladly shove the Administration's head up it's own ass again this year.. ____________________ Oderint, dum metuantEdited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=etinarcadiaego@rigorousintuition>et in Arcadia ego</A> <IMG HEIGHT=10 WIDTH=10 SRC="http://www.sickle666.com/images/Arcadia.jpg" BORDER=0> at: 7/1/06 2:17 am

by **anotherdrew** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 4:17 am

trace route is based off ICMP traffic which is often filtered at network edges these days, except for the esential funtions which trace route isn't one of. so just because your tracert fails at some point, it doesn't prove anything. Still, it is highly off if huge numbers of people on many different networks are all being run through the same bottleneck... there's no business-case for such activities, ulterior motives must be at work.

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