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The Psychology of Coercion

Postby 4911 » Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:38 pm

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=6131142214433741484&q=911+what+we+saw">video.google.co.uk/videop...hat+we+saw</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>This should be broadcast every day all over the world for three months three days and three hours every twelve years <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=4911>4911</A> at: 9/16/06 1:42 pm<br></i>
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Re: The Psychology of Coercion

Postby greencrow0 » Sat Sep 16, 2006 4:27 pm

excellent video, 4911.<br><br>Thanks for posting it.<br><br>gc <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Psychology of Coercion

Postby 4911 » Sun Sep 17, 2006 10:11 am

unfortunately the good info starts coming in about 5 minutes into the video - things like "generate disorientation, induce regression, and then become the targets transferred parent-figure" <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Psychology of Coercion

Postby isachar » Sun Sep 17, 2006 12:45 pm

Wow, I nominate that for best video ever. Please email a link to all your friends and post it far and wide. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Psychology of Coercion

Postby yesferatu » Sun Sep 17, 2006 1:51 pm

Thanks!<br>Ha! Made by <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Boogieman</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> Productions. <br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Psychology of Coercion

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Mon Sep 18, 2006 2:14 am

I have Douglas Rushkoff's 1999 book called 'Coercion: Why We Listen to What 'They' Say.<br><br>Highly recommended. <br><br>He was in high-level advertising circles and is very psychologically savvy .<br><br>He details how exactly the same psychological manipulation formula is at play in CIA interrogation or corporate marketing:<br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>DRTC.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>D - Disorientation<br>R - Regression<br>T - Transferance<br>C - Compliance<br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Postby smithtalk » Mon Sep 18, 2006 5:23 am

its interesting for me when people talk about the controlled demolition positing either way on the subject,<br>but the fact is if you only flew the planes in you couldnt guarantee a double collapse, in fact it would seem highly improbable given the building specifications,<br><br>and the thing is the real psy kick comes with the collapse,<br>the planes flying in create awe and disorientation,<br>but the breakdown of the self into a blabbering child occurs with the collapse,<br>on that new video released you here the women making various comments about two towers on fire,<br>but when the first one collapses she loses it,<br>and so did i, that night i sat watching it live on tv (in Australia)<br><br>so if it was intentional psy ops, then it was controlled demolition <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Psychology of Coercion

Postby Gouda » Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:14 am

I got a small headache from watching that video...I really couldn't look at it for more than a minute at a time. Do you think a monotonous robotic voice reading a text <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>for you </em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->with the aid of a green highlighting prompter is not in itself a hypnotic, mind-disabling technique? I suppose if you can't read or think for yourself, this will help you. Get zoned-out and let the suggestion work itself in. <br><br>Hugh, I am disappointed you missed this one. Does this video not employ its own regressive psychological manipulation?<br><br>What might they have been implanting here? I was not surprised to have read to me (later in the video, after the mind is fully on board) the usual suggestions about "israeli expansionism" and "zionist neocons." Not even "neocon zionists", but specifically "zionist neocons." The website posting these videos is <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://sac911truth.com/">sac911truth.com/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The method we would use is a time tested marketing goldmine so far as reaching virtually everyone. The amount of people we can reach by applying this method is staggering. The main stream media is obviously going to allow America to fall into a police state run by Zionist extremist their co-religionist and their neocon henchmen. You have never known anything but freedom which is a false security. Free societies are extremely rare and the few centuries that America has been free is only a blink of histories eye. America is about to undergo reparations the likes of which mans mind can not encompass. So we must use other sources without tipping our hand before we apply this tactic. If you have a few bucks, If you are a September 11th truth aware individual, If you understand just how critical the truth movement is, If you want to literally save the planet please contact us. Dan@911truth.com<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> They also carry the following "paper" on thie site: <br><br>"According to this research paper, America is controlled by Israeli's and Zionist have been framing Arabs in terrorist attacks for decades. The evidence is convincing." <br><br>The "paper"'s headings: <br><br>THE DANCING ISRAELIS <br>ZIONISM AND WORLD WAR I <br>ZIONISM AND WORLD WAR II <br>GREAT BRITAIN'S TURN TO BE BETRAYED<br>AMERICA BECOMES THE ZIONIST'S WHORE<br>ZIONIST POWER STRUCTURE IN AMERICA<br>THE MIRACLE OF PASSOVER (no Israelis in the world trade centers) <br>HUNDREDS OF MOSSAD AGENTS RUNNING WILD IN AMERICA! <br>ZIONISTS WANT WORLD WAR III<br><br>It concludes: <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>We have established that the Zionists were the beneficiaries of the 9-11 attacks whereas the Arabs have been hurt greatly by the 9-11 attacks. ...The 9-11 attacks, the anthrax murders, and numerous other foiled terror plots, were planned, orchestrated, financed, carried out, and covered up by the forces of international Zionism. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> Do not have time to look into "Boogieman Productions" (seems to be connected with the Nazi 911 truth website, <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://sac911truth.com/)">sac911truth.com/)</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> but a glance at the titles of their robotic google videos gives one a small idea: <br><br>"Jewish History" (with a plug at the very end for the <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://sac911truth.com/">sac911truth.com/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> where the real story is....)<br>"911 Hidden history of Zionism"<br>"The Zionists who make it possible"<br><br>4911 said:<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"This should be broadcast every day all over the world for three months three days and three hours every twelve years" </em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>Huh? Why 3-3-3 x 12? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Psychology of Coercion

Postby 4911 » Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:37 am

"<br>"This should be broadcast every day all over the world for three months three days and three hours every twelve years"<br><br>Huh? Why 3-3-3 x 12?"<br><br>heh, I just blurted that out actually, think i was thinking well for one thing cuz of the numerical harmony, for another cuz it represented a weird numerical breaking of the cycle of the numbers 9/11, for another cuz 3 months is good enough to really get under peoples skin and every 12 years is enough time to allow for free development in between so it doesnt become a mindfuck itself.<br><br>No special significance is attached there really, just sorta mental meandering.<br><br>Youre saying the people who made this are neo-nazis? Well Id say thats pretty fucked up. Where do a buncha neonazis get off preaching anti-coercion psychology? In fact Id say that that represents a bunch of neonazis shooting themselves in the foot, which is always nice to see. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=4911>4911</A> at: 9/18/06 4:54 am<br></i>
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tower demos as psyop

Postby vigilantwarrior » Mon Sep 18, 2006 9:21 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>and the thing is the real psy kick comes with the collapse,<br>the planes flying in create awe and disorientation,<br>but the breakdown of the self into a blabbering child occurs with the collapse,<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Precisely. Often you hear "But why would they blow up the buildings when crashing the planes would be enough to do the trick?" No, it wouldn't.<br><br>The US (and world) audience is a jaded tv/movie audience accustomed to Bruce Willis-style special effects spectaculars. The South Tower fireball was mentally searing, but not beyond what this audience was used to seeing. Bringing two quarter-mile-high buildings down and replacing them with a people-eating cloud of protean evil--now <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>that's</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> a feat David Copperfield never dreamt of. <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>That's</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> "shock and awe". Also remember the seemingly anachronistic "blockbuster" <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Pearl Harbor</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> was released three months before 9/11.<br><br>Tom Engelhardt flirts with suggesting the necessity of the WTC psyop in this essay, which will also appear in <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>The Nation</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?pid=118775">www.tomdispatch.com/index...pid=118775</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>What If? <br><br>So here was my what-if thought. What if the two hijacked planes, American Flight 11 and United 175, had plunged into those north and south towers at 8:46 and 9:03, killing all aboard, causing extensive damage and significant death tolls, but neither tower had come down? What if, as a Tribune columnist called it, photogenic "scenes of apocalypse" had not been produced? What if, despite two gaping holes and the smoke and flames pouring out of the towers, the imagery had been closer to that of 1993? What if there had been no giant cloud of destruction capable of bringing to mind the look of "the day after," no images of crumbling towers worthy of Independence Day? <br><br>We would surely have had blazing headlines, but would they have commonly had "war" or "infamy" in them, as if we had been attacked by another state? Would the last superpower have gone from "invincible" to "vulnerable" in a split second? Would our newspapers instantly have been writing "before" and "after" editorials, or insisting that this moment was the ultimate "test" of George W. Bush's until-then languishing presidency? Would we instantaneously have been considering taking what CIA Director George Tenet would soon call "the shackles" off our intelligence agencies and the military? Would we have been reconsidering, as Florida's Democratic Senator Bob Graham suggested that first day, rescinding the Congressional ban on the assassination of foreign officials and heads of state? Would a Washington Post journalist have been trying within hours to name the kind of "war" we were in? (He provisionally labeled it "the Gray War."<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> Would New York Times columnist Tom Friedman on the third day have had us deep into "World War III"? Would the Times have been headlining and quoting Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz on its front page on September 14, insisting that "it's not simply a matter of capturing people and holding them accountable, but removing the sanctuaries, removing the support systems, ending states who sponsor terrorism." (The Times editorial writers certainly noticed that ominous "s" on "states" and wrote the next day: "but we trust [Wolfowitz] does not have in mind invading Iraq, Iran, Syria and Sudan as well as Afghanistan."<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Would state-to-state "war" and "acts of terror" have been so quickly conjoined in the media as a "war on terror" and would that phrase have made it, in just over a week, into a major presidential address? Could the Los Angeles Daily News have produced the following four-day series of screaming headlines, beating even the President to the punch: Terror/Horror!/"This Is War"/War on Terror? <br><br>If it all hadn't seemed so familiar, wouldn't we have noticed what was actually new in the attacks of September 11? Wouldn't more people have been as puzzled as, according to Ron Suskind in his new book The One Percent Doctrine, was one reporter who asked White House press secretary Ari Fleischer, "You don't declare war against an individual, surely"? Wouldn't Congress have balked at passing, three days later, an almost totally open-ended resolution granting the President the right to use force not against one nation (Afghanistan) but against "nations," plural and unnamed? <br><br>And how well would the Bush administration's fear-inspired nuclear agenda have worked, if those buildings hadn't come down? Would Saddam's supposed nuclear program and WMD stores have had the same impact? Would the endless linking of the Iraqi dictator, Al Qaeda, and 9/11 have penetrated so deeply that, in 2006, half of all Americans, according to a Harris Poll, still believed Saddam had WMD when the U.S. invasion began, and 85% of American troops stationed in Iraq, according to a Zogby poll, believed the US mission there was mainly "to retaliate for Saddam's role in the 9-11 attacks"? <br><br>Without that apocalyptic 9/11 imagery, would those fantasy Iraqi mushroom clouds pictured by administration officials rising over American cities or those fantasy Iraqi unmanned aerial vehicles capable of spraying our East Coast with chemical or biological weapons, or Saddam's supposed search for African yellowcake (or even, today, the Iranian "bomb" that won't exist for perhaps another decade, if at all) have so dominated American consciousness? <br><br>Would Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri be sitting in jail cells or be on trial by now? Would so many things have happened differently?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>The left gate is ajar. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Gouda's comment

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Mon Sep 18, 2006 12:44 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Hugh, I am disappointed you missed this one. Does this video not employ its own regressive psychological manipulation?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>What, scrolling text? This is a way to cleverly lead TV viewers to reading.<br><br>But I, too, could barely watch so I only watched a little and <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>that's why I commented on Rushkoff's book and DRTC manipulation which is important to understand.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE UNDERLINE START--><span style="text-decoration:underline"><br>DRTC is a universal key to understanding media as psychological warfare and even war itself as psychological.</span><!--EZCODE UNDERLINE END--><br><br>So, imho, DRTC coercion is the topic to focus on here, not 'Zionism.' <br><br>There really is an AIPAC-PNAC alliance of neocons so pointing at that topic doesn't equal stealth anti-semitism.<br><br>In fact, the article linked to at that Sacremento, California 9/11 Truth website is from...<br>MUJCA Net which is the<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong> Muslim-Jewish-Christian Alliance for 9/11 Truth.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Here's a photo from the MUJCA website-<br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://mujca.com/P1010051.JPG" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Not exactly Storm Front, it it?</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> Quite the opposite. And pointing at the psychology of warmongering through inciting racism, too. Very commendable and savvy peace-mongering which I heartily endorse. Gads, they even recognize the racism of Disney. Yeah!<br><br>Here's the TEXT link from sac911truth.com ><br><br>http://sac911truth.com/apocalypse_of_coercion.htm<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Apocalypse of Coercion: Why We Listen to What 'They' Say About 9/11<br><br><br>Kevin Barrett<br>Coordinator, MUJCA-NET: http://mujca.com<br><br><br>'That's just like hypnotizing chickens.' --Iggy Pop, 'Lust for Life'<br><br>'Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice...uh...(long pause)...we won't get fooled again.' George W. Bush<br><br>They say suicidal Muslim fanatics did it. They say those radical Muslims hate our freedoms. They say the country is full of sleeper agents who could wake up and kill us at any moment, as soon as their little red-white-and-blue 'I hate the USA' wristwatch alarms go off.<br><br>They say that Saddam Hussein had something to do with it-he's Muslim, isn't he? They say invading Afghanistan and Iraq was the appropriate response; we had to do something, right? They say if you're not with us, you're against us-and if you're against us, you're on the side of the evildoers.<br>They say those cunning, devious suicide hijackers defeated America's defenses using flying lessons and box cutters. They say it was ordered by a tall, dark, handsome, sinister, hooknosed kidney patient in a cave in Afghanistan-<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>a ringer for the evil vizier Jaffar in the Disney film Aladdin</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, but with a thicker beard to signify 'Islamist.' They say it was masterminded by a real bad dude named KSM. They say they finally caught KSM, and that the whole story, enshrined in the official 9/11 Commission Report, is based on what KSM said under interrogation-so it's all right from the horse's mouth.<br><br>They say it happened because our defense and intelligence systems didn't see it coming, despite all those urgent warnings from dozens of countries as well as whistleblowers from our own agencies. They say that nobody was really to blame, so nobody had to be prosecuted or fired or even reprimanded. They say that by promoting the very people who made the most outrageously improbable blunders, and giving the screw-up agencies a whole lot more money, we've ensured that they'll do better next time.<br>They say that anybody who questions what they say is a conspiracy theorist.<br><br>'Who, exactly, are ‘they,' and why do they say so much? More amazing, why do we listen to them?'<br>-Douglas Rushkoff, Coercion: Why We Listen to What 'They' Say (NY: Penguin, 1999)<br><br>Rushkoff's Coercion is a sizzling expose of mind control, American style. Unlike Chomsky's Manufacturing Consent, Rushkoff's book provides a detailed guide to the nuts-and-bolts techniques employed against us every day by advertisers, marketers, public relations specialists, Hollywood filmmakers, salespeople, pyramid-scam artists, and cult leaders -the very same techniques applied for decades, and gradually perfected, by CIA interrogators and psychological warfare experts. These techniques are designed to disable rational thought and manipulate behavior at the unconscious and emotional levels. Anyone curious about why so many otherwise rational people have believed the official story of 9/11 for so long, in the teeth of the overwhelming evidence against it, should start by reading Coercion.<br><br>The secret of mind-control is simple-so simple that Rushkoff can sum it up in one sentence: 'In whatever milieu coercion is practiced, the routine follows the same basic steps: Generate disorientation, induce regression, and then become the target's transferred parent figure' (64). Hard-sell car salesmen, CIA interrogators and psychwar ops, and cult leaders have long used this technique. Under coercion, millions of otherwise rational people can be persuaded to act against their own interests-whether by shelling out big bucks for an overpriced lemon, betraying a comrade and a cause, or allowing a gang of criminals to destroy their nation's Constitution and launch criminal wars of aggression.<br><br>How do they do it? Let's start by zooming in on your local automobile dealership. The car salesman carefully leads the mark to be dissatisfied with his current car, and by extension his current life-and as the mark sees his current life through newly dissatisfied eyes, he begins to experience disorientation. The salesman then takes the mark on a test drive and, at the right moment, asks 'Is this the type of vehicle you would like to own?' Rushoff quotes a car-salesman-turned-whistleblower:<br><br>And anyone will tell you this, the vacuum cleaner salesman, the car salesman-the customer has a split-second of insanity. The mind goes blank, the body paralyzes, the eyes get glassy, dilated. And you'd be surprised how many people have an accident at just that moment! Ask any car dealer. We always joke about it. (43)<br><br><br>The car salesman's question, like the well-timed words of a good hypnotist, triggers a sudden intensification of the customer's dissociated, suggestible state. Rushkoff explains: 'The customer is already in a vehicle, being asked to imagine himself owning the same type of vehicle. It's the same as if I asked you if this is the kind of book you can imagine yourself reading. Your current situation is reframed in fantasy. It creates a momentary confusion, or dissociation, from the activity you're involved in. That's why so many drivers crash' (43).<br>If the customer answers no, he gets the same treatment in other cars until he answers yes. Then he is brought back to the dealership and infantilized, as the salesman becomes his transferred parent figure:<br><br>He is told where to go, how to walk, where to sit. One training manual instructs the salesman to give the customer coffee whether he wants it or not: 'Don't ask him if he wants a cup of coffee-just ask him how he takes it.' In this way, the customer is trained to obey, and given his fear and disorientation in the sales environment, he welcomes the commands and their implied invitation for him to regress into the safety of childhood. (43)<br><br>Once the customer has been infantilized, he is controlled by various tricks. One of the best-known is the 'common enemy' technique. The salesman pretends to be conspiring with the customer against the nasty head of the dealership, or against another salesman who is greedy and dishonest. The 'common enemy' technique is also used by the CIA-one interrogator, the 'good cop,' teams up with the subject against the other interrogator, the 'bad cop.' Governments, of course, use the same technique: The illegitimate son-of-a-Bush of August, 2001 doubled his approval ratings by infantilizing the American public on 9/11 and rallying them against the 'common enemy' of evildoing Muslim extremists.<br><br>The CIA, like the automobile industry, has long been refining coercive techniques aimed at eliciting compliance. Whether the Company wants to coerce an interrogation subject into spilling the beans, or a whole nation into supporting a war, the techniques are basically the same as those used by hard-sell car salesmen: Generate dissociation through disorientation, induce regression, and become the target's transferred parent figure.<br><br><br>In an interrogation, the CIA begins by disorienting the subject:<br><br>As the minutes, hours, or days go by, the 'sights and sounds of an outside world fade away, [and] its significance is replaced by the interrogation room, its two occupants, and the dynamic relationship between them' (CIA Interrogation Manual) which is why interrogation rooms are generally devoid of windows and free of all references to the outside world, including time of day and day of the week. The subject becomes completely dependent on the interrogator for all external stimuli and, accordingly, his sense of self (35).<br><br>After the subject's sense of self has been broken down, the CIA interrogator chooses from a grab bag of techniques that accomplish the same thing as the car salesman's line 'Is this the type of vehicle you would like to own?' These techniques induce a sudden state of radical confusion by disrupting the target's familiar emotional associations. The CIA manual explains: 'When this aim is achieved, resistance is seriously impaired. There is an interval-which may be extremely brief-of suspended animation, a kind of psychological shock or paralysis...that explodes the world that is familiar to the subject as well as his image of himself within that world. Experienced interrogators recognize this effect when it appears and know that at this moment the source is far more open to suggestion' (qtd. In Rushkoff, 36). At this moment, the interrogator encourages the subject to regress to a childlike state of mind, and becomes the subject's transferred parent figure.<br><br>This is a very good description of what was done to the American people on and after September 11th, 2001. The images of the planes crashing into landmark buildings, and those buildings exploding into powder and shards, created a state of extreme confusion, 'a kind of psychological shock or paralysis.' The bombs that brought down the Twin Towers and WTC-7 literally exploded the world that was familiar to us, and our images of ourselves in that world. We experienced a moment of dissociation, which is why we can still recall where we were and what we were doing when we learned of the attack. As the psychological warfare experts who designed the operation knew very well, this left us radically open to suggestion-to mass hypnosis. Our old world had been annihilated, and we were ready to be hypnotized, and to have a new world created for us. We desperately needed a parent figure to tell us how to make sense of the madness.<br><br>The government, of course, became that transferred parent figure. The presidency, instituted by George 'father of his country' Washington, is a paternal institution. Even an illegitimate son-of-a-Bush could briefly become our idealized national daddy. We believed what 'they' told us about 9/11, with little or no effort to discern the actual facts, because we had been coerced and infantilized. When Susan Sontag spoke out against the absurd infantilization of the American people post-9/11, she was subjected to vicious attacks by intelligence-asset pseudo-journalists. Why? Not because what she said wasn't true-it obviously was. The reason Sontag had to be ripped to shreds by the CIA rag National Review and its epigones was that she was getting too close to understanding that 9/11 was a psychological warfare operation by US and allied intelligence agencies, not a 'terrorist attack' by anti-American foreigners. Sontag understood that the American public had been subjected to induced regression. By calling attention to this fact, she was indirectly calling attention to the psy-op man behind the curtain.<br><br>The choice of September 11th as the date of the attacks was obviously made by a psychological warfare expert who wanted to make the American people suffer induced regression and put childlike faith in their government. The number 911 has overwhelming emotional associations in the mind of every American. From early childhood, we are taught that this is the magic number we can call in the event of an emergency. If anything terrible or deeply threatening happens to us, all we have to do is push those three buttons on the nearest telephone, and a benevolent parent figure-the government-will come rushing to help us. With the ongoing breakdown of the family and its authority, and the widespread consciousness of abuse between family members, the number 911 represents the government that has become our real daddy. The planners of 9/11 took advantage of this fact, enshrining their false-flag attack with a number that evokes our desperate, childlike need for the government to be the daddy who comes racing to help us in an emergency. Every time we hear '9/11' we are enveloped in subconscious emotional associations of a benevolent, fatherly government that can be counted on to save us from catastrophe. Unless we have learned how to defend ourselves against coercion, it is these emotional associations, not facts, that condition how we think.<br><br>Once our old world had been exploded, our minds regressed to a childlike emotional level, and our faith placed in the transferred parent figure of our government and its paternal figurehead, we were ready to be bombarded by hypnotic words and images. The hypnotic inculcation of thoughts, beliefs, and attitudes is a simple matter. The key is repetition: Repetition, repetition, repetition. In the Alice-in-Wonderland world of the so-called war on terror, 'what I tell you three times is true.' They tell us over and over that 9/11 was like Pearl Harbor; we accept the paradigm and prepare for a righteous world war. They tell us over and over that Bin Laden did it, and we internalize that belief, without reference to evidence. They tell us over and over that Bin Laden is America's enemy, and we accept the story, even though many of the world's most prestigious journalistic outlets have told us that Bin Laden spent the first two weeks of July, 2001 getting treated at the American Hospital in Dubai and meeting with CIA Station Chief Larry Mitchell. They tell us over and over that the guy in the grainy video confessing to 9/11 is Bin Laden, even though there is very little resemblance between this overweight impostor and the Osama Bin Laden of other photos and videos. They tell us over and over about the 19 suicide hijackers, and we believe them, even when we find out that many of these alleged hijackers are still alive, that these individuals were/are not Muslims at all but intelligence agents, and that the 'flight schools' they trained at were actually CIA drug import airstrips. They tell us over and over that (whore-chasing, boozing cokehead) Mohammad Atta put a bizarre parody of an 'Islamic terrorist's last will and testament' into a suitcase and checked that suitcase on board his suicide flight-say what?!-and that the suitcase was mistakenly put onboard a different flight so it could be quickly discovered and offered as 'evidence.' They tell us that other 'suicide hijackers' conveniently left a car full of evidence at the airport. They tell us that a hijacker's passport miraculously floated down from the inferno in the Towers to be discovered as more 'evidence.' They tell us that the fact that the 'hijackers' spent the night of 9/10/2001 in a motel right across the street from the gates of the National Security Agency headquarters is just a weird coincidence. They tell us that a good Samaritan burglar happened to 'steal' the briefcase containing the 'evidence' of the 'hijackers' concocting their plot in Hamburg, Germany, and felt compelled to deliver the briefcase to the German police. (What they don't tell us is that the German police are rolling on the ground laughing at the absurd pretext, and have publicly stated that the 'burglar' was an intelligence agent.) They tell us over and over that the World Trade Center collapsed from diesel-fuel-induced fires, despite the fact that no high rise steel frame skyscraper has ever collapsed due to fire, including much worse ones than those on 9/11. They tell us over and over that Hani Hanjour, who could not fly a Cessna training aircraft, somehow executed an amazing stunt maneuver in a hijacked 757 in order to hit the empty, newly-reinforced wing of the Pentagon and cause minimal damage-instead of just diving into the roof and killing thousands.<br><br>Even more important than the repetition of such ludicrous propositions, has been the bombardment of the public with words and phrases designed to disable rational thought: terror, terrorism, the war on terror, hate our freedoms, hate our values, patriot, patriotic, Patriot Act, evildoers, extremists, security, anthrax, homeland, biological weapons, Islamo-fascist, dirty bombs, weapons of mass destruction. These emotionally-charged terms, drummed incessantly into our brains, reinforce the unconscious emotional predispositions that govern our thoughts. They literally force us to think certain thoughts, and render us literally incapable of even entertaining others. Just as the car salesman's coercive question 'How do you take your coffee' literally forces 90% of non-coffee-drinkers to obediently accept a cup of coffee, the psych-war experts' attack of disorientation, regression, and parental transference literally forces 90% of the American public to think patently ludicrous thoughts, adopt those thoughts as a model of reality, and cling to those self-evidently absurd thoughts in the teeth of overwhelming factual evidence.<br><br>The question remains, who are 'they' ? The answer is obvious-just read the Project for a New American Century's manifesto Rebuilding America's Defenses, published in September, 2000, which openly calls for a 'New Pearl Harbor.' The 9/11 'New Pearl Harbor' was brought to us by the neoconservatives, who believe that all human beings except themselves are governed by irrational emotions and incapable of evidence-based reasoning. The neoconservatives are Zionist extremists and cult followers of the demented philosopher-guru Leo Strauss, whose worldview can be summed up in the adage 'if you can't beat Hitler, join him.' They apparently believed that a massive dose of coercion, in the form of 9/11, could motivate Americans to preserve and expand their imperial domination of the planet in general, and their commitment to a belligerent, expansionist Israel in particular.<br><br>Oddly enough, 9/11 was apparently designed with the help of focus groups:<br><br><br>...The trick only needs to work long enough to win (or avoid) a war. Even if 'the truth' emerges sometime later, at least the primary objective has already been achieved...when American corporate and governmental interests adopted these techniques for use against the American people, they needed to cloak their assault in a seemingly benign manifestation: the focus group. About ten 'average' members of a target population are brought into a room and asked to discuss an issue while a team of researchers, clients, and a camera record their responses from behind a one-way mirror. A researcher stays in the room with the subjects, asking them questions and pushing them in new directions...<br><br>Bob Deutsch, an anthropologist [and legendary psy-op focus group guru] who worked for the Department of Defense...led focus groups revealing Americans' irrational beliefs about Japan. 'You want to uncover in your audience what I call a 'spasm of sentiment,' he explained. 'It's their illogic-their emotional logic.' He told us how in focus groups with average American citizens, he learned that most people still associate the Japanese with Pearl Harbor: 'People say, for example, 'Japan took our lives in 1941, and they took our livelihoods in 1991.' Because Japan disrupted America's self-mythology of being invincible, the nation would never be forgiven in the irrational American sentiment. (140)<br><br>The authors of 9/11 needed a horrifyingly spectacular, murderous attack on the American 'homeland' in order to elicit this 'Pearl Harbor effect.' They needed to 'disrupt America's self-mythology of being invincible' so that Arabs and Muslims 'would never be forgiven in the irrational American sentiment.' They were not interested in triggering just one quick war in Afghanistan, or a second one in Iraq. They were after 'the war that will not end in our lifetimes'-an ongoing war that would remove Americans' Constitutional liberties, massively increase military expenditures, and legitimize attacks against Middle Eastern nations for decades into the future, on behalf of Israeli expansionism and the petrodollar hegemony on which it depends.<br><br><br>9/11, in short, was an apocalypse of coercion. It was a psy-op on a scale of murderousness and mendacity to make the Reichstag Fire look like a kid playing with matches.<br><br>Play with fire, however, and you just might get burned. This 'apocalypse of coercion' could end up being an apocalypse for its authors, and for coercion itself. The neocons have been revealed and reviled as pathological liars, and only the flimsiest film of reticence is preventing the major media from exposing the 9/11 psy-op and triggering the greatest scandal in world history, and a Constitutional crisis light-years beyond anything in the American experience. As people awaken to 9/11 truth, they grow psychic armor that renders them invincible to coercion in any form. Recoiling from the sheer horror of such murderous coercion, their psychic immune system is strengthened. It is a safe bet that no 9/11 skeptic will ever buy a lemon from a car salesman-or even accept an unwanted cup of coffee. The 9/11 truth-awakened individual will not succumb to the blandishments of advertisers, political pundits, cult leaders, politicians, or Fox News commentators. He or she will smell coercion coming from a mile away, and tell the prospective coercer into which orifice their coercion may be inserted.<br><br><br>The simple truth is, coercion doesn't work any more, and future historians will view 9/11 as its final implosion. In the mid-1990s PR guru Howard Rubenstein saw that the internet had made damage-control coercion obsolete, and began advising clients that they had no choice but to let the ugly truth hang out. Need a cover-up? 'The lesson is not to do it. Sure, people will come to you and say, 'Let's set up a committee and we'll call it so-and-so, and we'll hire someone to run it,' and my attitude is: What's known is known. Simple. What is known gets published. So it's foolhardy to set up a fig-leaf committee and hope nobody will look under the fig leaf and see what's there' (160). Unfortunately, the Bush Administration didn't take Rubenstein's advice when it set up the 9/11 Commission.<br><br>The word 'apocalypse' denotes the cataclysmic end of the world, but its original Greek meaning is 'unveiling.' By unveiling the truth of 9/11, and the mechanisms of coercion it employed, we can avoid the apocalyptic future of endless war that the New Pearl Harbor was designed to trigger. Less obviously, we can expose and discredit the mechanisms of coercion that governments and corporations use to dehumanize us. It is time for coercion-savvy media specialists like Rushkoff and Rubenstein to join the 9/11 truth movement and help us figure out how to communicate 9/11 truth, turn the 9/11 apocalypse of coercion against its perpetrators, and ensure that in our shared human future, communications technologies will be used to empower people, not enslave them.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br>Moving on to the subject of coercion science...<br><br>Another great book for understanding the history of psychological warfare known as Coercion-<br><br>Science of Coercion: Communication Research and Psychological Warfare 1945-1960<br>by Christopher Simpson<br>(Oxford University Press, 1996)<br><br>http://www.us.oup.com/us/catalog/general/subject/Communication/Journalism/~~/dmlldz11c2EmY2k9OTc4MDE5NTEwMjkyNQ==<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Description<br>Science of Coercion provides the first thorough examination of the role of the CIA, the Pentagon, and other US security agencies in the evolution of modern communication research, a field in the social sciences which crystallized into a distinct discipline in the early 1950s. Government-funded psychological warfare programs underwrote the academic triumph of preconceptions about communication that persist today in communication studies, advertising research, and in counterinsurgency operations. Christopher Simpson contends that it is unlikely that communication research could have emerged into its present form without regular transfusions of money from U.S military, intelligence, and propaganda agencies during the Cold War. A fascinating case study in the history of science and the sociology of knowledge, Science of Coercion offers valuable insights into the dynamics of ideology and the social psychology of communication.<br>Reviews<br><br>"An intriguing picture of the relations between state power and the intellectual community...."--Noam Chomsky, Massachusetts Institute of Technology <br><br>About the Author(s)<br><br>Christopher Simpson is Associate Professor of Communication at American University. <br><br>His other books include <br>Blowback: America's Recruitment of Nazis & its Effect on the Cold War (1987), <br>The Splendid Blond Beast: Money, Law & Genocide in the 20th Century (1993), and <br>National Security Directives of the Reagan and Bush Administrations 1981-1991 (1995). <br><br>He is the recipient of six national and international awards for historical writing, literature, and investigative reporting. His work has appeared in the Journal of Communication , Intelligence and National Security , and many other magazines and journals.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br>Amazon listing but buy it locally, ok? Screw Amazon.<br>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/019507193X<br>Simpson describes the post-WWII development of coercion as a tool of governance supported by Ivy League university researchers who were co-opted by the CIA and used the behavioral sciences of psychology, sociology, anthropology, and neurobiology for the CIA and US government.<br><br>Only 224 concise pages stunningly sourced and a perfect companion to John Marks' book 'In Search of the Manchurian Candidate, The CIA and Mind Control: The Secret History of the Behavioral Sciences.'<br><br>Simpson excerpt from CIA on Campus website:<br>http://www.cia-on-campus.org/social/simpson.html <br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Excerpt from Science of Coercion: Communication Research and Psychological Warfare, 1945-1960 by Christopher Simpson (New York: Oxford University Press, 1996 paperback), pp. 48-51:<br><br><br>Scholars Perfect Psychological Warfare Techniques<br>by Christopher Simpson<br><br> The third expression of psychological warfare themes in Public Opinion Quarterly and similar academic literature during the first years after World War II can be seen in the unusually close liaison that some of the journal's authors and editors maintained with clandestine psychological warfare projects at the CIA, the armed services, and the Department of State. This can be found in both manifest and veiled form in many articles appearing in the journal, and in the composition of POQ's editorial board. Hans Speier's emergence as a prominent "private" advocate of expanded psychological warfare shortly after his work with Frank Wisner at the Occupied Areas Division at the State Department, discussed previously, is one example of an informal link between a prominent POQ author and the government's clandestine warfare programs.<br><br> This phenomenon became considerably more widespread, however, though rarely easy to identify. A good example of latent linkages can be seen in Frederick W. Williams' 1945 article "Regional Attitudes on International Cooperation."31 On a manifest level, Williams' study simply reports data gathered by the American Institute of Public Opinion and the Office of Public Opinion Research at Princeton during the winter of 1944-45 concerning popular attitudes on the U.S. role in international affairs, broken out by geographic region of the country. Williams uses the data to strongly advocate "making the United States more international-minded," as POQ described it.32<br><br> In the decades since the article first appeared, it has become clear that Williams' data had been collected in an ongoing clandestine intelligence program underwritten by Listerine heir Gerard Lambert on behalf of the Roosevelt administration. The U.S. Congress had in those years barred the expenditure of government funds on most types of attitude surveys of U.S. voters, arguing that it was the Congress' job under the Constitution to represent "public opinion." Congress' concern was in part political, because FDR used rival sources of information on public opinion to advance controversial policies, not least of which was the president's drive toward an "internationalist" foreign policy. Despite the congressional strictures, the White House hired Hadley Cantril and Lloyd Free for "government intelligence work," as Jean Converse puts it, including clandestine intelligence collection abroad and public opinion surveys in the United States. Cantril and Free in turn engaged Frederick Williams and the American Institute of Public Opinion as field staff for research on behalf of the administration.33<br><br> Meanwhile, Public Opinion Quarterly's board of editors included a substantial number of men who were deeply involved in U.S. government psychological warfare research or operations, several of whom were largely dependent on government funding for their livelihood. The journal's editorial advisory board during the late 1940s, for example, was made up of twenty-five to thirty individuals noted for their contributions to public opinion studies and mass communication research. Among those on the board with readily identifiable dependencies on government psychological warfare contracting were Hadley Cantril, Harold Lasswell, Paul Lazarsfeld, and Rensis Likert, whose role as government contractors are documented in Chapters 5, 6, 7, and 8 of this study. They were joined on the POQ board by DeWitt Poole, who later became president of the CIA's largest single propaganda effort of the era, the National Committee for a Free Europe.34 Another prominent board member was CBS executive Frank Stanton, also a longtime director of both Radio Free Europe and the Free Europe Fund, a CIA-financed organization established to conduct political advertising campaigns in the United States and to launder CIA funds destined for Poole's National Committee for a Free Europe.35 The journal's editor during 1946 and 1947 was Lloyd Free, a wartime secret agent on behalf of the Roosevelt administration who some years later was destined to share a million-dollar CIA research grant with Hadley Cantril.36<br><br> This pattern appears to have been repeated at several other important academic journals of sociology and social psychology of the era, although quantitative studies of their content remain to be done. The American Sociological Review (ASR), published by the American Sociological Society, overlapped so frequently in its officers and editorial panels with those of Public Opinion Quarterly and its publisher, the American Association for Public Opinion Research, that board members sometimes joked that they were unsure which meetings they were attending.37 While ASR published articles about a considerably broader range of sociological subjects than did POQ, the ASR articles and book reviews concerning communication remained confined to a group of fewer than a dozen authors who were simultaneously the dominant voices in POQ. The range of views concerning communication and its role in society remained similarly circumscribed.<br><br> Further, an informal comparison of articles published during the 1950s concerning mass communication and public opinion in POQ and the prestigious American Journal of Sociology (AJS) shows that its articles in this field were just as rooted in psychological warfare contracts as were those appearing in POQ. The 1949-50 volume of AJS, for example, featured eight articles on various aspects of mass communication and public opinion. At least four of these stemmed directly or indirectly from ongoing psychological warfare projects, including work by Hans Speier and Herbert Goldhamer (both of RAND Corp.), Samuel Stouffer (from the American Soldier project), and Leo Lowenthal (then the director of research for the Voice of America, whose political odyssey is discussed in Chapter 6).38<br><br> In sum, the data show that Public Opinion Quarterly -- and perhaps other contemporary academic journals as well -- exhibited at least three important characteristics that linked the publication with the U.S. government's psychological warfare effort during the first decade after World War II. First, POQ became an important advocate for U.S. propaganda and psychological warfare projects of the period, frequently publishing case studies, research reports, and polemics in favor of expanded psychological operations. Second and more subtly, many POQ articles articulated U.S. propaganda themes on topics other than psychological warfare itself. Examples include the magazine's editorial line on U.S.-Soviet relations and on the Italian election of 1948.<br><br> Finally, data suggest that some members of the journal's editorial board and certain of the authors maintained an unusually close liaison with the clandestine propaganda and intelligence operations of the day. The traces of these relationships can be found in several articles mentioned in this chapter and in the composition of POQ's editorial board, at least one member of which -- POQ's founder DeWitt Poole -- was a full-time executive of a major propaganda project organized and financed by the CIA.<br><br> This influence over the editorial board and editorial content of the field's most prestigious academic journal was only a symptom of a deeper and more organic bond that is discussed in the next chapter. Money became one of the most important links between the emerging field of mass communication studies and U.S. military, intelligence, and propaganda agencies. Precise economic figures cannot be determined because of the lack of consistent reporting from the government, the continued classification of some projects, and the loss of data over the years. Even so, the overall trend is clear.<br><br> "The primary nexus between government and social science is an economic one," write Albert Biderman and Elisabeth Crawford of the Bureau of Social Science Research. It is "so pervasive as to make any crisis of relations with the government a crisis for social science as a whole."39<br><br><br> 31. Frederick W. Williams, "Regional Attitudes on International Cooperation," 9, no.1 (Spring 1945): 38-50.<br><br> 32. Ibid., p. 38.<br><br> 33. Jean Converse, Survey Research in the United States (Berkeley: University of California Press, 1987), pp. 152-54, 165. Converse also notes an earlier example of the role of these confidential surveys in shaping the president's highly controversial strategy for promoting U.S. support for England in the years leading up to Pearl Harbor.<br><br> 34. For background on Poole, see Who Was Who, Vol. 3, p. 692; Sig Mickelson, America's Other Voice: The Story of Radio Free Europe and Radio Liberty (New York: Praeger, 1983), pp. 24, 41, 60; and Christopher Simpson, Blowback (New York: Weidenfeld & Nicolson, 198<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> , pp. 134, 217-34 passim. See also Harwood Childs, "The First Editor Looks Back," 21, no.1 (Spring 1957): 7, for Child's recollections on Poole's role in the founding of Public Opinion Quarterly.<br><br> 35. For source material on Stanton's role with Radio Free Europe, see Mickelson, America's Other Voice, p. 124; and U.S. General Accounting Office, U.S. Government Monies Provided to Radio Free Europe and Radio Liberty, report no.173239, May 25, 1972, p. 79.<br><br> 36. On Free's wartime career, see Converse, Survey Research in the United States, pp. 152-54; on his Central Intelligence Agency grant, see John Crewdson and Joseph Treaster, "Worldwide Propaganda Network Built by CIA," New York Times, December 26, 1977.<br><br> 37. Association officers or editorial panel members who served with both groups included Samuel Stouffer, John W. Riley, and Leonard Cottrell.<br><br> 38. Herbert Goldhamer, "Public Opinion and Personality" (p. 346), Hans Speier, "Historical Development of Public Opinion" (p. 376), Samuel Stouffer, "Some Observations on Study Design" (p. 355), and Leo Lowenthal, "Historical Perspectives of Popular Culture" (p. 323); each in American Journal of Sociology 56, no.1 (January 1950). Lowenthal specifically cites his Voice of America work in support of his thesis; see p. 324.<br><br> 39. Albert Biderman and Elisabeth Crawford, Political Economics of Social Research: The Case of Sociology (Springfield VA: Clearinghouse for Federal Scientific and Technological Information, 196<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> , p. 5.<br><br> _________________<br><br> Christopher Simpson is an assistant professor at the School of Communication at American University. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hughmanateewins>Hugh Manatee Wins</A> at: 9/18/06 12:20 pm<br></i>
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Postby 4911 » Mon Sep 18, 2006 3:28 pm

Incidentally , I see a definite resemblence between DRTC and some strategies of Borderline Personality Disorder sufferers. Could the government be diagnosed with that? <p></p><i></i>
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Hugh, I was more interested in your assessment of the actual video presentation itself. Like, why is it (ironically) hypnotic and mind-defusing? <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>What, scrolling text? This is a way to cleverly lead TV viewers to reading.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> Uh huh. And the creepy robotic synth voice? Never mind. Your hyper-vigilant analysis of other forms of media covers just about everything - but this teleprompting infobot feeder gateway vid gets a free ride from you? <br><br>On the sidebar of google and youtube videos one can see similar works by the same artist, or 'provider', and so, hey, if you liked that video spot, check out the next. Then go to the sponsoring website. Wow, lots of other neat 911 truth things. People do that. I did. <br><br>The Zionism-controls-America red herring and the other Nazi-baiting stuff at the <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://sac911truth.com/">sac911truth.com/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> website was just my way of offering bonus information on where this hypnotic stuff was coming from, since it seems people just like to post anything without regard to where it is coming from. I did not expect you to comment on the Zionism stuff, particulary - but <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://sac911truth.com/">sac911truth.com/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> is pretty dodgy Hugh, just look around the site a little bit more. Particularly that paper I mentioned above. Barrett's text is just one of the many things they link to. "911 Truth" is doomed if this is all they have to offer. Not saying Barrett is also some kind of stealth Nazi, but his political analysis is (to be gracious) dead wrong here:<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The question remains, who are 'they' ? <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The answer is obvious</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->-just read the Project for a New American Century's manifesto Rebuilding America's Defenses, published in September, 2000, which openly calls for a 'New Pearl Harbor.' The 9/11 'New Pearl Harbor' was brought to us by the neoconservatives, who believe that all human beings except themselves are governed by irrational emotions and incapable of evidence-based reasoning. The neoconservatives are Zionist extremists and cult followers of the demented philosopher-guru Leo Strauss, whose worldview can be summed up in the adage 'if you can't beat Hitler, join him.' They apparently believed that a massive dose of coercion, in the form of 9/11, could motivate Americans to preserve and expand their imperial domination of the planet in general, and their commitment to a belligerent, expansionist Israel in particular.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> Are 'they' really a cabal of PNAC Zionists, <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>the</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> 'they' behind 911? Are Neocons really <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Zionist</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> extremists? Are the neocons really committed to Israel's interests? Is the answer really that obvious? <br><br>The nuanced differences ARE important and the fact the 911 "truthers" swallow anything that comes their way just is bad news and not a little ironic. <p></p><i></i>
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Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:20 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Hugh, I was more interested in your assessment of the actual video presentation itself. Like, why is it (ironically) hypnotic and mind-defusing?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I appreciate your deeper analysis of the video presentation and source, Gouda, and I'll follow up with actually watching and listening to the whole thing.<br><br>Hm. Hypnotic, possibly. Mind-diffusing? I dunno. How is the content? Mea culpa- I only saw a little.<br><br>Heck, I haven't really been on this ride so I don't meant to "give a free ride" to this thang, I'm just impressed that someone else is pointing at the DRTC method, something I posted here months ago with very little response generated which struck me as odd since I thought this board was especially interested in psychological manipulations.. <br><br><br> <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Are 'they' really a cabal of PNAC Zionists, the 'they' behind 911? Are Neocons really Zionist extremists? Are the neocons really committed to Israel's interests? Is the answer really that obvious?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>Seems to me that there are several groups with different motivations but with the same goal, control of the middle east.<br><br>The PNAC-ers want oil regions controlled by the US and are ready to (ab-)use Israel's militarist survival anxiety as a proxy force.<br><br>The AIPAC-ers are more interested in Israel's security for Israel's sake alone so are vigilant against the Bush-Saudi alliance and the US arming all of Israel's perceived enemies which is what Jason Pollard was revealing and why the US locked him up and threw away the key. Pollard was telling the Israelis things the US didn't want them to know due to harming the US-Israel relationship.<br><br>The Neocon-ers are a tactical synthesizing of those two groups, aren't they?<br><br>So not 'which they is it,' but rather both groups at once and duking it out over the different emphasis to get their way over the other group despite commonalities.<br><br>And someone gave them a common cover story to unite them by hijacking the war games and going live on 9/11 having pre-loaded the Twin Towers with thermate and explosives to achieve Escape Velocity from boring old Planet Peace.<br><br>As for 9/11 truth-ers, many of them are glad to drag in any geopolitics to get people to even think beyond the cover story in the first place and I'm loathe to throw a wet blanket on them unless they seem like intentional disinfo artists.<br><br>So I have more inclination to let the info spread in the first place and then refine it in the eyes of those who can discern more detail.<br><br>Right now, debunking the War on Terra is job #1 and I'm grateful for those making an effort in that direction. <p></p><i></i>
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