Ominous: Hints of an October Surprise

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Ominous: Hints of an October Surprise

Postby seemslikeadream » Sun Sep 17, 2006 9:15 pm

<!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/9/17/192156/448" target="top">www.dailykos.com/story/2006/9/17/192156/448</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><br>Ominous: Hints of an October Surprise <br>by souldrift <br>Sun Sep 17, 2006 at 04:21:56 PM PDT<br>I'm not sure what's up here, folks, but something is starting to smell.<br><br><br>First we have allegations--continued allegations--on the rightist puke-rag WorldNetDaily alleging that American Muslims have been warned to leave New York and Washington--and the original article quoted by WND and dated yesterday is even more sensationalist:<br><br><br>Urgent news from Abu Dawood, the newly appointed commander of the al Qaeda forces in Afghanistan:<br><br><br>Final preparations have been made for the American Hiroshima, a major attack on the U.S.<br><br>Muslims living in the United States should leave the country without further warning.....The al Qaeda operatives who will launch this attack are awaiting final orders. They remain in place in cities throughout the country. Many are masquerading as Christians and have adopted Christian names.<br><br><br>Second, within a Time cover story attempting to forecast what a war with Iran would look like, there are indications that the Navy has sent "Prepare to Deploy" orders to get equipment and personnel ready by October 1.<br><br>Thoughts after the jump.<br><br>souldrift's diary :: :: <br>The "American Hiroshima" warning is tied into the Mexican border-security/immigration scare with the following text:<br><br><br>Bush is aware that brother Adnan has smuggled deadly materials inside America from the Mexican border. Bush is silent about him, because he doesn't want to panic his people.<br><br>So readers of WND--typically the more conservative of our opposition--are being led to believe that something is "about to happen." They're likely to be hyper-sensitive, worried and perhaps trigger happy.<br><br><br>That's where this other news fits in. The Time article grounds itself by observing that planners always plan--and it stands to reason that even if nothing is imminent, plans are often drawn up and/or changed all the time. But let's look at the orders that were sent.<br><br><br>Before we proceed, here's a bonus order:<br><br><br>...a second request, from the Chief of Naval Operations (CNO), asked for fresh eyes on long-standing U.S. plans to blockade two Iranian oil ports on the Persian Gulf. <br><br>The original "ready to deploy" orders were allegedly sent to "a submarine, an Aegis-class cruiser, two minesweepers and two mine hunters." The analysis in the article is understated but accurate:<br><br><br>There are only a few places in the world where minesweepers top the list of U.S. naval requirements. And every sailor, petroleum engineer and hedge-fund manager knows the name of the most important: the Strait of Hormuz, the 20-mile-wide bottleneck in the Persian Gulf through which roughly 40% of the world's oil needs to pass each day. Coupled with the CNO's request for a blockade review, a deployment of minesweepers to the west coast of Iran would seem to suggest that a much discussed--but until now largely theoretical--prospect has become real: that the U.S. may be preparing for war with Iran.<br><br>This is going on under cover of the post-September 11 speeches arguing for more flexibility regarding detainee treatment, obviously a known issue among progressives.<br><br>IF--and this is a big if--the WND report is to be considered even hypothetically possible, we just need to read that article to determine how our current strategy is winning the hearts and minds:<br><br><br>"You have witnessed the brutality of the Israelis in the recent 34-day war against Lebanese civilians," said Dawood. "9/11 was a revenge of Palestinian children, killed by the U.S.-made weapons, supplied to Israel. The next attack on America would be a revenge of Lebanese children killed by U.S.-made cluster bombs. Bush and (British Prime Minister Tony) Blair are the Crusaders, and Muslim leaders, like (Pakistani President Pervez) Musharraf and (Afghani President Hamid) Karzai are their collaborators. We will teach a lesson to all of them."<br><br>If the administration is considering this a credible threat, it may well be that they've determined we need to "Strike first" in order to preclude this from happening.<br><br><br>Are these hints pointing towards an "October Surprise"?<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Ominous: Hints of an October Surprise

Postby yesferatu » Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:09 pm

If anyone believes the Bush presidency is just going to end with another election, really is not paying attention. As far as I am concerned, between now and Nov/Dec is one long "October" in which there <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>will</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> be a thing for which the word "surprise" will be far inadequate.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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October Surprise

Postby HMKGrey » Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:34 pm

Got to agree with yesferatu, here. <br><br>We some times suffer from a disconnect where we can talk about the crimes of the Bush gang but we don't always make the connection to its full meaning: These guys cannot lose power. Cannot risk investigation. They're playing for keeps; all or nothing. <br><br>They're not going to let a pesky election get in their way. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: October Surprise

Postby yesferatu » Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:45 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Cannot risk investigation. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>The one pushing the Bush cabal on us know the psycholgy: Once they are out of power - out of sight, out of the spellcasting circle - the explosion of the "wake up" period would be total ruin and damnation for them. Thus, they are "playing for keeps".<br><br>One thing I meant to write, was "Nov/Dec <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>2007</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->" ...I do not neceassarily mean between now and the next 2-3 months. I meant the longer period. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: October Surprise

Postby * » Mon Sep 18, 2006 12:01 am

<br><br> I dunno, I think junior's about to be sacrificed and there's no telling how that will affect the game-plan.<br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: October Surprise

Postby medicis » Mon Sep 18, 2006 12:20 am

I don't post often and mostly read what others say. But I thought I would add my sense of worry that it will be sooner rather than later. Too, too much appears to be coming together at this juncture. <br><br>However, even if things transition into democrats in power, I believe the same basic agenda will go forward. <br><br>Most on this list are a bit more sophisticated than I so I am probably saying things that are obvious to most. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Ominous: Hints of an October Surprise

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Mon Sep 18, 2006 1:09 am

While I concur with the 'playing for keeps' concerns, also realize that the main method of governance now being cranked up is...psy-ops.<br><br>But psy-ops against who?<br><br>In order of importance:<br><br>1) <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>America's very own military-intelligence community </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->which is Vietnam II-style demoralized and becoming ever-more suspicious about 9/11 and THERMATE. Must keep those people on task without more mutineers, right? That was the intended motivational effect of a big 'Zarqawi Captured' wargasm timed to coincide with the demoralizing arrival of Dead US Soldier #2500. The MI community needed a 'win' right then to not lose too much more morale.<br><br>2) <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Iranians.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> Recall the hoopla earlier this year when Seymour Hersh was saying 'their really gonna nuke Iran' yet, quite significantly, nobody in the House and Senate screamed "No!." Realize that Congress is informed of psy-ops campaigns lest they be taken as real. There is a long-term ongoing program to destabilize Iran from within using threats plus the usual special forces covert ops.<br><br>3) <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>American civilians</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> who still think politically and attempt to vote.<br>The Great Fear is the only thing barely keeping us in predictable behavior patterns and the awareness of THERMATE is spreading rapidly.<br><br>So these things mandate atleast creating a ramped-up psy-ops message that "something big and bad is coming" if not its eventual consummation.<br><br>Why not consummate it with 'another 9/11'?<br><br>Because too many people now get the scam and the uncertainty is nearly as useful but with the all-important get-away-vehicle of...plausible deniability which is harder to come by these days than it used to be.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Navy told: Prepare to blockade Iran by Oct 1

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Sep 18, 2006 1:10 pm

<!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1535817,00.html" target="top">www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1535817,00.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><br>What Would War Look Like?<br>A flurry of military maneuvers in the Middle East increases speculation that conflict with Iran is no longer quite so unthinkable. Here's how the U.S. would fight such a war--and the huge price it would have to pay to win it<br>By MICHAEL DUFFY<br><br>Posted Sunday, Sep. 17, 2006<br>The first message was routine enough: a "Prepare to Deploy" order sent through naval communications channels to a submarine, an Aegis-class cruiser, two minesweepers and two mine hunters. The orders didn't actually command the ships out of port; they just said to be ready to move by Oct. 1. But inside the Navy those messages generated more buzz than usual last week when a second request, from the Chief of Naval Operations (CNO), asked for fresh eyes on long-standing U.S. plans to blockade two Iranian oil ports on the Persian Gulf. The CNO had asked for a rundown on how a... <br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Navy told: Prepare to blockade Iran by Oct 1

Postby dbeach » Mon Sep 18, 2006 1:29 pm

its part of rule by FEAR<br><br>the event{s} may not happen but keeping the masses controlled..is more important ...for now<br><br>kinda like the new improved cold war BUT with the Awoler <br>from Yale Zoo and lex luther at the controls..<br><br>and of course unlimited profits for the military industrial complex <p></p><i></i>
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I tell you what

Postby HMKGrey » Mon Sep 18, 2006 1:52 pm

I'm open to anything over the next 6-8 weeks. <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Anything.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <br><br>However, with Bush and Cheney pitched as the great protectors I'd expect an event and then marshall law/suspension of elections as supposed to a surgical synthetic event. The latter might only cause the veil to slip and make life uglier for them. <br><br>We should all be making a selfless habit of putting scenarios out there so that when something unfolds there's a certain amount of cognitive dissonance going on for everyone we know.<br><br>Peace. <p></p><i></i>
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Iran's subs

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Sep 18, 2006 3:34 pm

<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.hazegray.org/worldnav/mideast/iran.htm#2" target="top">www.hazegray.org/worldnav/mideast/iran.htm#2</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->Submarines<br><br><br>Tareq (Kilo) class submarines<br>Displacement: 3,076 tons full load <br>Dimensions: 74.3 x 10 x 6.6 meters (243.5 x 33 x 21.5 feet)<br>Propulsion: Diesel-electric, 3 diesels, 5,900 shp, 17 knots<br>Crew: 53<br>Sonar: MGK-400 Rubicon LF suite, Mouse Roar HF active<br>Armament: 6 21 inch torpedo tubes (18 torpedoes)<br>        Soviet built for export. These boats are reported to have<br>        serious operational difficulties.<br><br>Number        Name                                Year         Homeport        Notes<br>901        Tareq                                1992        Bandar Abbas<br>902        Noor                                1993        Bandar Abbas<br>903        Yunes                                1997        Bandar Abbas<br><br><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/877.htm" target="top">www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/877.htm</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Project 877 Kilo class<br>Project 636 Kilo class<br>Diesel-Electric Torpedo Submarine <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=seemslikeadream@rigorousintuition>seemslikeadream</A> at: 9/18/06 1:36 pm<br></i>
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Yes Junior may be sacrificed...

Postby rrapt » Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:57 pm

I think you are right tal-1. He was selected in a year ending with zero.<br><br>Plus, he is an embarrassment out of control. But as I briefly project this syndicate without their head puppet, nothing looks much better for them. True, Cheney could try martial law, but this long program of brainwashing the citizenry isn't finished yet; prolly can't work as hoped anyway, and so we are left facing the bared fangs of the warmongers with NO justification even attempted any more.<br><br>Also remember that our military guys are smart enough to know when to refuse an illegal order, at least when it is from a psychotic.<br><br>Those are just a couple of the many points in favor of optimism; I mean we gotta try don't we?<br><br>Pure idle speculation: Demise of our great leader to be engineered as a tragedy....and what a way to distract the critics. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Ominous: Hints of an October Surprise

Postby dugoboy » Mon Sep 18, 2006 7:06 pm

i've been kind of alarmed by the complete lack of an agenda either parties have at this time for the election. it is almost as if they see there is no point in trying to fight over anything new.. i don't know..<br><br> i've been kind of disconnected from this scene for a few weeks now. its kind of grown more scary. i only really started really watching again around the anniversary of 9/11 again. i saw bush's address to the nation for the anniversary. i saw that press conference in the rose garden this past friday. i had it on the background and i remember vaguely hearing him mention khalid sheik muhomad, mentioning him and suggesting torturing people like him some how helps shit work out better. and how he wants us to better define what the geneva convention means by 'practicing no outrages on human dignity' 'what does that even mean?' he said. <br><br>someone above mentioned the word psychotic, i believe this word describes Bush to a T. he sounds completely fucking bonkers and unhinged on the TV, the kind of unbearable intensity you want to run away from in person. i almost want to write brian gregory a letter telling him how proud i was of him holding bush's torture logic to the fire in the Q and A. it made no sense.<br><br>but i think jeff is right. there is absolutley no way we will ever prove 9/11 happened by demolition. we can argue it for the next 35 years and we still won't know. what we can argue is that because of those events great evil has been done to this country and the world. i think thats all that needs to be understood, that they wanted a 'new pearl harbor' to act as a catalyst to allow certain actions to precipitate that would not have happened unless something that transcended beyond common sense and physics without the help of explosives, the demolition of some of the tallest buildings in the world without destroying buildings standing 40 feet away. that this happened, it allows the mind to completely let go of reality... jeff is right we need to focus on the plot hole of khalid sheik muhamod (i dunno how you spell his name!) either the guy was arrested or he wasn't. and if he wasn't arrested then he never told the clandestine officers the who dun-it of 9/11. the arrest of this man is the plothole the size of an 18 wheeler.<br><br>this is a plothole to goes right to the heart of the issue, does al qaeda even exist? <p>___________________________________________<br>"BushCo aren't incompetent...they are Complicit!" -Me<br><br>"Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act" -George Orwell<br><br>"When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it - always." -Mahatma Gandhi</p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=dugoboy@rigorousintuition>dugoboy</A>  <IMG HEIGHT=10 WIDTH=10 SRC="http://www.geocities.com/orcthrasher/files/images/Qn38113.gif" BORDER=0> at: 9/18/06 5:18 pm<br></i>
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Re: Ominous: Hints of an October Surprise

Postby dugoboy » Mon Sep 18, 2006 7:31 pm

oh my god i just realized in reading jeff's latest post...the PTB are scared shitless. i don't know if you guys realize this but we are just like 2 steps of logic away from the WTC7 being exposed for what it is all over america. i mean if we all just decided to have this be a question in most americans minds, all you have to do is disseminate the videos and pictures. its so obvious. anyway, but imagine this..<br><br>what if in a very big way its shown on national television how tenuous the official explanation for WTC7's collapse is, maybe have it shown what professor stephen jone's academic research shows as well... can you imagaine what would happen next? 2 months before the election... <p>___________________________________________<br>"BushCo aren't incompetent...they are Complicit!" -Me<br><br>"Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act" -George Orwell<br><br>"When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it - always." -Mahatma Gandhi</p><i></i>
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Re: Ominous: Hints of an October Surprise

Postby Mel » Mon Sep 18, 2006 9:32 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Too, too much appears to be coming together at this juncture.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Like what?<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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