Brzezinski c1998: a global Islam = "Nonsense!"

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Brzezinski c1998: a global Islam = "Nonsense!"

Postby erosoplier » Fri Sep 29, 2006 11:34 pm

A short, but interesting read:<br><br>read<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.proxsa.org/resources/9-11/Brzezinski-980115-interview.htm">www.proxsa.org/resources/...erview.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Brzezinski c1998: a global Islam = "Nonsense!"

Postby Dreams End » Sat Sep 30, 2006 1:44 am

Welcome to the same page.... <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Brzezinski c1998: a global Islam = "Nonsense!"

Postby erosoplier » Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:45 am

Sorry, I didn't realise until after I'd posted that that was straight from Blum's book (the driest book full of explosive revelations that I've ever never finished reading).<br><br>Same page maybe, but different books I'm thinkin'...<br><br><br><br>Edit: And only after posting this did I notice that it wasn't even straight from Blum's book...<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :\ --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/ohwell.gif ALT=":\"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=erosoplier>erosoplier</A> at: 9/30/06 9:14 am<br></i>
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Re: Brzezinski c1998: a global Islam = "Nonsense!"

Postby Dreams End » Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:09 pm

Well, my point was that our discussions about US either being controlled by Israel or else US being onesided in support of Israel fail to take into account the long history of support and alliances with fundamentalist Islamic movements. I actually don't believe it's a matter of a guy in a suit in Langley manipulating all of them directly, but they were promoted (not just in Afghanistan) for purposes of destabilization and containment of "problem" countries. <br><br>The history is just WAY too clear. There are plenty of Muslims who are both faithful and part of the militant movements out of genuine outrage over Western/Israeli actions. But you know what, there are a lot of genuine progressives trying to work in the Democratic party or being misled down to controlled opposition groups like ANSWER. The whole game is to try to LIMIT OPPOSITION INTO ACCEPTABLE FORMATS. That's why there was support for many of the Islamic groups in the first place, due to their anti-communist perspective. Now, it's complicated as USSR dropped support of Israel and started backing some of these movements as well. I don't claim to have all the details worked out by a longshot.<br><br>But our fine leaders make no decisions...none...zero, based on some moral code. It's all very very practical and realpolitik. They'll back Israel or drop Israel as needed. Look at Iraq. Our CIA brought Saddam to power, then the US turned on him for a new tactical phase. During the years the US supported Iraq, did anyone argue that we were "controlled" by Iraq? In fact, was Iraq a friend of Israel? Why is it that people will argue we invaded Iraq for Israel's sake without explaining the motivation, then, of supporting Saddam in the first place. How did providing Saddam chemical weapons....and we know he had them as surely the US kept the receipts....make Israel safer? <br><br>It's craziness. We need to continue to see the WHOLE picture, the entire network of US supported regimes and revolutionary movements. <br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Brzezinski c1998: a global Islam = "Nonsense!"

Postby erosoplier » Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:28 pm

I've got to rush off to bed, then work, but in brief:<br><br>I think your scales are out of whack. The US only ever <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>funds certain sectors</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> within any given Mulsim region, but it <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>supports</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> Israel. Period. When has the US ever dropped Israel? Except in terms amounting to little more than a jesture?<br><br>The US supported Saddam on the proviso that <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Saddam was pointed at Iran</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->.<br><br>When the US funds Muslims, it is out of self interest. When the US funds Israel, the benefits are overwhelmingly mutual. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Brzezinski c1998: a global Islam = "Nonsense!"

Postby Dreams End » Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:32 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The US supported Saddam on the proviso that Saddam was pointed at Iran.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>US ALSO supported Iran during that conflict...<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>When the US funds Muslims, it is out of self interest. When the US funds Israel, the benefits are overwhelmingly mutual.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>You are saying that when Muslims receive US backing they don't benefits? That didn't even make sense. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Brzezinski c1998: a global Islam = "Nonsense!"

Postby erosoplier » Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:54 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>US ALSO supported Iran during that conflict...<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Made money off of both sides - smart cookies. US taxpayer pays for any "aid," MIC profits from any arms trade. (Though I've forgotten anything I ever knew about the Iran side of the Iran-Iraq war period).<br><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>You are saying that when Muslims receive US backing they don't benefit? <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Not when it supports regimes bent to serve American interests, or interests that have nothing to do with promoting the advancement of the peoples of the nations in question. <p></p><i></i>
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