A Plan For Global Happiness

by **billpeace** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 10:19 pm

......im afraid someone is going to think im taking up an inordinate amnt of space - how much is an inordinate amt of space when youre fighting for the survival of the human species, the avoidance of 6 billion grisly deaths by vaporisation, radiation, burning, injuries, starvation, cold, blindness? - and until that near tomorrow of extinction, the vast unnecessary suffering, the 2 million a year who go blind for lack of 4c of vitamin A, the 1 million girls each year sold into sex slavery, the landmine amputees, the millions of people under the yoke of local hoods if u dont want to read it, dont read it! im going to reply to those who want to read it enkidu, apparently u really dont know that 90% of people in the world get less than a 10th of the world average income - no diamond about it - it is a pyramid with very sloping-in sides - a tack that is 1000 kilometres high and as wide as you want to spread out the people from highest to lowest income - 99% are underpaid - are paid less than the world average - ie they do an hrs work, produce around US$10 of goods and services by their work.......... and get paid less than $10 - 90% of families produce US$50,000 of worth of goods and services a year by their work and get paid between $5000 and $50 a year - slaves in fact - now do u understand the anger? ['terrorism/revolution is the language of the unheard'] people DO think that wealth is good - it is true that money is good and more money is more good, but overpay, getting other people's pay, is bad bad bad - it makes all the bombs, all the assassinations - people think wealth is good, because they know money is good ---money IS good, but overpay is war, crime, danger and extinction [pencilled in for 'tomorrow' morning - early - i wd say about a 99% chance of happening in the next 50 years, a 50% chance of happening in the next 20 years - ] if u havent noticed, war and weaponry has been escalating for 1000s of years - the same years that overpay [theft] has been growing - it has been growing because the general human understanding has not made the connection between overpay and violence -as h g wells put it, human life is now a race between education and catastrophe - education on one point, the lesson of history, that overpay exists and it causes escalating violence - even if overpay/inequity was not a factor of one billion, but only 2, it wd still cause endlessly escalating violence, because each side wd reply with bigger and bigger 'sticks and stones' as it tried to prevail - the degree of inequity [theft] determines the rate of acceleration of violence if we hadnt discovered e=mc2, we could have gone on not understanding the connection between overpay and violence for a time, because without the atomic bomb we were able 'only' to firebomb a city - incinerate and suffocate only 100,000 at a time - now we learn that an atomic war will put enough smoke into the atmosphere to block out enough sun to put the globe in a mega-iceage - [3 times colder than an iceage] perhaps the key here to getting a basis for communication is take one second or several seconds TO IMAGINE FOR THE MOMENT IT ACTUALLY BEING TRUE that overpay is the root of all problems - imagine hard now - that overpay happens and does cause underpay and that that theft is the basis of most-all the violence in the world all the money equals all the work - the money represents the work that made the goods and services - world annual income: US$50 trillion - world hours worked: 5 trillion - therefore an hour's work equals US$10 - now what can a person do in an hour that is worth $500,000? - which is bill gates's average hourly rate - what kind of speed is he on that he can produce 50,000 times as much/many goods and services as the average bear?? - of course he cant - economics can explain why he gets paid so much, so ludicrously much, so dangerously much, so nuclearwinterishly much - because it is all overpay bar the first $10 - it is all earned [and not got] by others when u think of it, it is incredible that it has never occurred to humanity generally that wealthy people might be getting overpaid, and that that money might have come out of other people's pockets - 'business=other people's money' alexander dumas imagine a ceo working at world average hardness - how much harder than that can the hardest working ceo work? - heshe can work twice as many hours as the average, but cannot work more than say 10% harder per unit of time THEREFORE OVERPAY EXISTS super-hyper-extreme overpay pop next door and try to steal the neighbour's tv, and see how much aggro theft creates<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/embarassed.gif ALT=":o"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin"> am i answering anyone?

by **blpc** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 10:40 pm

i'm NOT saying: think of all these suffering people - i dont give a rat's arse about other people - well, maybe a teeny weeny bit - but i accept the point of william hazlitt, the essayist, that we care more about a cut finger if it is ours, than about a quarter of a million chinese dead in an earthquake im saying:::: do it for yourself, to save yr ass, to escape the unnecessarily very low present quality of life on earth, and to create a future for this planet, which it hasnt got now this plan works for altruistic people and nonaltruistic people - u can be 100% sefish and see the sense of this plan humanitarianism hasnt worked - humanitarianism isnt popular a thoroughly selfish person will do nothing to hurt others - will very carefully and fully research any way he may have hurt anyone --- because he is totally selfish, he totally doesnt want to pollute his environment with enemies WE CAN BE MUCH MUCH HAPPIER, AT NO COST

by **billpeace** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 1:54 am

i just finished a long answer to zerohaven and lost it all because i didnt fill in one of the boxes WAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!

by **billpeace** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 6:41 am

have just dipped into stephen zarlenga - buttresses the global happiness plan - just one more example of the waste and theft of human life and happiness by powerful private interests - incredible that they have got away with owning the american dollar for 200 years - all they need to do, and have done, is make money a bit scarcer and then less scarce, thus making money more and less expensive, and they can buy it when cheap, and sell to the public when they make it dear - they can do this over and over - they have been allowed to do this since independence!!!! unbelievable!!! - the point is, that we dont need to hunt out all the ways a very few rob us of billions - they can always think up another way - by making a maximum hourly rate of pay, an upper limit to fortunes about the maximum size of the maximum earnable and savable in a lifetime - US$2 million - we ensure that no trick will ever work - we humanfolk just need to set the maximum income and be free of the depredations of the moneymad - who are at this moment stealing 90% of all earnings - US$45 trillion every year!!!! - creating untold misery - greed indeed!!! a fool and his money...we are all fools of money relative to the most moneywise person - but we can protect ourselves surely and certainly forever by setting the maximum fortune at the maximum that one person can contribute to the social pool of wealth by their work reading zarlenga, one naturally asks why they were allowed to take control of the money, and an answer suggested itself:::freud has shown that money and excrement are linked or equated in the deep brain - there is always that feeling with people of taste that money is not quite for gentlemen - [spending it all right, but dealing in it every day, dabbling and paddling in it every day, yuk!] i suspect the gentlemanly element among the founding fathers were rather embarrassed by money, hadnt realised that money is at the root of a nation's wealth [!] and has to be studied and understood - they kindof just left it to the money guys and were pleased to wash their hands of it - thus enslaving the people, just after they had won freedom!!!

by **billpeace** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 6:52 am

zarlenga at www.monetary.org

by **billpeace** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 4:57 am

'you havent changed the system by changing people's understanding' - you say i say, u jolly well have - you havent if youve just changed the words they spout, or the flag they wave, or the thing they think is cool to believe; but if it is real realising of a reality that they were blind to, before-------- well, just imagine, if you could get it into cats' heads about traffic, and speed, and impact, cat deaths on the road would fall instantly - same with possums, hedgehogs, rabbits, and other creatures - imagine everyone in the world knowing that unlimited overpay is the root of most-all problems and pains, knowing that it is the cause of wars and most crime, most-all violence, all tyranny, all oppression, knowing that it makes 90% much much poorer, 99% poorer, and everyone much much poorer in happiness and pleasure and all good things - and also imagine for the moment that it is indeed true - would the people then fail to illegalise it, to maximise its diminution? would it be socially possible to have egregious overpay without incurring severe opprobrium? - if it was known to all that it was known by all, and if it was known to all that it tortured, raped, murdered millions a year, corrupted everything and everyone from the pope and the president down, blew all our joys and peace and freedoms to fook, made our politicians ugly, made human nature do much much worse than it otherwise would, as indeed it does.... what-humans-think is the origin of all human things, including systems - we make them, and support them with our faith in them - our great faith in overpay is not borne out in the facts - it isnt just a nice view to have, in order to feel good about one's moral character, to inflate the ego with 'oh, im so idealistic' - overpay really is a baddy, like a rattlesnake, or a scorpion or germs - there isnt any moral greatness in giving it up - perhaps a problem is that people dont have a pigeonhole in their brain for 'things i dont understand, things i am not aware of' - they not only dont have the stuff to put in the pigeonhole, they dont have the pigeonhole - which would by definition stay empty, but it would help to come across that pigeonhole, and remember to leave space for 'insights to come' - with a note to really read the stuff that comes along for it perhaps some readers put my writing in a pigeonhole 'usual stuff about equality' with a note 'no need to really read, just recognise it for old stuff and file' 'because if you havent noticed people are not willing to adopt the philosophy', you say - how can they decide what they think before they spend a bit of time with it, get the feel of it? - not everything can be packed into soundbites - words are imprecise - you need a good few of them to start getting a feel - and why wouldnt people say why they think they dont like the 'philosophy', and start a discussion? - do they think their first or second impression is infallible? 'i completely understand you' - it took 30 years to dawn on me, and 20 years to consolidate, and 500 pages to begin to convey - 'the devil is in the details' - i think you may be failing to suspend your disbelief for long enough- like krishnamurti says, we think we read, when we just look 'thru' a window caked with our preconceptions, our soundbite rapidity - and so everything we come across is familiar this truth [as i think it to be] has not been noticed for 1000s of years let's discuss it and let discussion weave its magic spell

by **democraticcapitalist** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 9:01 pm

i have just learned that posting more than one reply is considered postwhoring - goodness knows why - responders have given me a lot to answer to - and i have just heard that jeff has a 20 page limit [on each thread?] - maybe that is why half my replies have disappeared - but i want to reply to zerohaven zerohaven writes 'to whom is overpay/underpay important, to you? to the poor?' - it is important to every human, zh, because it has decimated [reduced by 90%] or rather centimated [reduced to a 100th of what it would otherwise be] the happiness of everyone, because of the horrible violence in which we all live, as long as overpay is allowed to exist; the atmosphere of enemies, of disorder, of confusion, of hopelessness, of low esteem for our own species' decency and intelligence - the more overpaid, the more in danger, because the overpaid have so much of what is desperately needed by the underpaid - the more underpaid, the greater the lack of pleasures, powers and necessities - to everyone, because happiness is so much less than it otherwise would be - to everyone, because the escalating vendetta war between the millions of levels of over/underpay has grown war and weaponry to the brink of our extinction, which daily becomes nearer, as resentment and war grow if it was important only to the poor [the underpaid, the robbed] it wd still be important to 99% of people, for 99% are paid less than they create by their work - that is, are financing the overpay of the 1% during part of their worktime - and 90% are working more than 90% of the time to finance the overpay of the overpaid - i read that 50% of americans have less than $2000 equity or net 'worth' when the superoverpaid gets paid a million an hr, he can buy goods and services worth $1mn for every hour's work he does - someone has to do that work and not get paid it for it, if the overpaid are to get it without working for it the middleclass person is suffering terribly from overpay/underpay the middleclass are in the middle of the human heap - oppressed from above and under attack from below - eg, when the middleclass get angry at the illegal immigrants, that is danger from below - and where there is danger, some get hurt - europeans are afraid of africans walking into europe - whereever there is higher and lower pay rate per unit of time, there is tension, fear, danger, outbursts of violence - the higher a nation goes, the faster they are pulled down - large fortunes are like crests on the sea - the higher they go, the further they fall - what looks like good luck is just the first half of a rough searide - the third world is rapidly gaining on the first world, and will be as rich as the first world in just 50 years - when it will be the first world's turn to begin to be enslaved, disempowered, exploited - ie, be in the trough of a rough sea - better for all to have a calm sea, - just limits to overpay will limit underpay, eliminate the rough sea for all - the third world are still being squeezed for $200 billion a year, continuing centuries of slavery, which will be revenged, if human nature is human nature - the middleclass will also have to suffer this wrath [socalled foreign aid is mythical; they pay us more in interest than we lend them, and we [our rulers] force them to buy poor quality at inflated prices - eg 10,000 dams built that have silted up before they are finished] the overpaid oppress from above - the overpower of the overpaid acts ceaselessly to suck wealth from the middle class as well as from the more underpaid - laws are made - and applied - in the interests of the most powerful, eroding freedom and confidence in justice and democracy - the overpaid have no inhibitions about empoverishing the middle classes too -the middle class may be officerlevel in the war, but they go to war too and die - one must practice much more distrust - of everyone, the poorer, the as-rich and the richer - because everyone is driven to fight everyone else in a system of 'grab all you can, from each other too' - friendship, trustworthiness is much rarer among the desperate, which all are, constantly, in present conditions what do you mean [wake them up] 'on their terms' ? - the terms are set by reality - wake them up by discussing, clarifying ideas, till they can see, as clear as a bell, [if it is true, as every bit of history tells me it is] that it is very very much in their interests to limit overpay, in the best part of the tradition of the founding fathers - to pick up what they dropped too soon

A Plan For Global Happiness

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