How do deal with people who think you are crazy, maybe I am?

by **israelirealities** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 3:36 am

I was very relieved to read your description of the Jewish condition, namely that we are in a ghetto here in ISrael oppressed and annihilated by the grand collaborators. This is precisely my sense of it. You mentioned people giving up either psychologically or by cancer and illness...this is what is going on here now, its total despair, because you cannot even verbalize the horror to YOURSELF, it is just unbelievable. There was a "wave" of death here this year of people who stood for Jewish values, critics of government, writers, musicians, even cartoonist...they didn't die of old age. And this represents the "spirit" of the place. Its like the Jews are being persecuted again, as harshly as under Nazism, but more sophisticated this time, sort of covert, and its all being donw under the narrative of "patriotism", Zionism and what not. It is a self inflicted Ghetto here. The thugs of the this new order, often use a "eugenics narrative" namely, saying all those sensitive poets are losers and depressed people who deserve to die. The language of "losers" is becoming more prominent here, combined with some form of Jewish supermacism which is actually reversed. Namely, its Nazi talk disguised as being "Authentically Jewish". Very tricky to track down and resist. I end up these debates (over the net) reminding the writer that according to his jive Hitler was justified in killing all those losers from Europe, Jews and what not. Then they usually shut up for a little while. THis is depressing. I also read a lot of Primo LEvy, whom, I think was on to this as well. As for Hypothiroid...I totally agree there is something about it. In Israel the people who live near the nuclear plant DImona were prescribed Lugol, which is actually Iodine supposed to stop thyroid poisoning. However, I suspect they are being administrered idodine to reduce thiroid level and then make this a large scale experiment on people who become tired and zombified. What are natural medicines for hypothiroid ? can someone refer me to a good source ? (not expensive additives or parts of rare lizards I have to catch and cook for days..). thanks IR

by **Inanna** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 6:42 am

Thanks for your post to me. I've been thinking it over but didn't know quite how to respond, as I think I really need those meds or I'll lose my mind. I have a history of depression that dates far back, and it seems like the meds do help somewhat. I appreciate all of what you said and I agree Americans are completely nuts. I have a mother who believes Iraqis are happy we are there and who is a Bush supporter. I am so very sorry to read your post and what you are going through. I had no idea that there was a wave of death over there. Earlier this evening I was listening to an audio interview by a guy named Al Cuppett. He is on a big campaign to help Jews RETURN to Israel as he is of the opinion they won't be safe here. I am just shocked that things are so bad over there. I confess I don't follow the situation as closely as others. Do you have anyone you can talk to there or is it such that it's not safe to speak freely? It's good that you are here on this board, as it helps to at least get things out with like-minded people. At any rate, please take care and I'll keep you in my prayers.

by **israelirealities** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 7:13 am

things over here... When I am talking about weird deaths, its more along the lines of SOME PEOPLE dying, those who have certain opinions. WHich i see as the zeitgeist at least... Its just that what happens over at your place is so similar to what is going on here... I want to post a link here, to a short essay/story I posted elsewhere in my blog. Pardon my very bad English. It was following another post, telling the deams, or rather recurring nightmare, reported by a holocaust survivor here in Israel to her shrink. the post was looking for feedback from readers, like "what is this dream telling you". I chipped in, with my dream and her dream together, and that was my sense of it on the larger scale. That the Zionist response to the holocaust was wrong, as much as any particularist solution or response. Just a thought. <a href="http://www.notes.co.il/iris/8837.asp">www.notes.co.il/iris/8837.asp</a> In general, things are bad here for me and for few like minded and of course to the poor. But there is a fair amount of those who benefit from war, corp takeover etc....they actually seem to have a ball. So it depends who you are asking. Getting the Jews from the USA to ISrael ? well, I suppose there's a joint project that both Bush and most of the ISraeli government will like. I am just not sure the Jews in question would like that. Until recently I would probably have an opinion about it, now my mind is already beyond the period of war and nationlism. I am already getting myself prepare for the time after that, when War is going to be OUT. As for now, I judge events only according to one criterion - human suffering. If it increases that, its bad. That's it. I think this lifetime, for me, was meant to cleanse me from any shred of racism, nationalism and religion in its established form. A prugatory, but then maybe I am just suffering, without any spiritual gain. That's an option as well.

by **Seventhson** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 11:31 am

that you might think I was being antiSemitic. My father was a Christian and Buddhist who worked with the Jewish underground during the Holocaust in Euroipe and I have travelled in Israel (in 1998 when things were very peaceful and quite calm). My perspective is very much like yours and I am relieved to hear it, as I felt I was going out on a limb. As for hypothroid disorder, the recommendation is for a natural derived prescription (altho it may be over the counter in Israel as it is in some parts of Europe) usually made from natural desiccated pork or bovine thyroids. Cheap and effective. Since the hormones which our bodies need cannot be reproduced naturally we need to ingest them. I think re: Israel AS a modern Ghetto is one which may have some resonance and maybe we should discuss it on anoither thread. It is a controversial idea. The reason that this relates to Inana's topic is that ther "madness" we are experiencing is manifest everywhere and it really is akin ot being sane and locked in an insane asylum (like Auschwitz or Abu Ghraib or the Warsaw Ghetto, or the ninth ward in new orleans, or Guantanamo, or Riker's Island) where the nurses and doctors and security personnel are almost all pathological maniacs. Israel is unique in that EVERYBODY (except the ultraorthodox) are in fact military personnel and so there is NOT , as in the US, a total cultural divide between the cops and the soldiers and the masses. Soldiers in Israel can be politically on the left and, because service for teenage young men and women is mandatory, there is MUCH opposition ot the far right and Likud among the soldiers which is pretty well tolerated as Israel is a western style "free" society. But the fact is that I agree with your anlaysis 100% and it is a concept barely even whispered (except among some of the young Israeli soldiers and "graduates" of the military I met who despised the constant state of hate and hypoervigilance which has all the elements of a nation in total post traumatic stress disorder which is constantly retraumatized by the "post-Holocaust" "culture" and the constant state of wars and ongoing trauma. It seems almost as if the final solution WAS the Creation of a Zionist state of Israel where all the Jews could be shipped for permanent control and destruction by the powers that be (along with the new "Judenrat" and a new set of capos) Maybe I am stretching the idea too much, but I think it needs to be discussed as unpleasant as it is and I am glad to have a voice from Israel to discuss it with here. At DU we would be iced in a heartbeat for discussing this stuff.

by **heath7** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:36 pm

Inanna, you will become more sure of yourself. It will take time and strength to not turn away from the truth. I'm reminded of the second saying from the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas (sorry to get all preachy<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"> ): Jesus says: "Let him who seeks cease not to seek until he finds: when he finds he will be astonished; and when he is astonished he will wonder, and will reign over the universe!" - Doresse translation I take this to mean that upon finding what we all seek, we will find that we have no authorities (but god, if you will). The psychiatrists, the judges, the police, the gatekeepers, they are mere false idols that we have been conditioned to believe we need. Finding truth partially means going through the pain of discovering all these idols are false, and we are kings over ourselves. We want someone to rely on, to lead us, but there is no one but ourselves. These false idols then become silly caricatures of authority, so unknowing and lost, yet trying to lead. Soooooooo funny<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin"> P.S. - I'm far from versed in all religious texts, but I have done some research. The Gospel of Thomas is the most amazing book I've every read. If you allow yourself to meditate on the 100+ verses, nearly every one of them can be profoundly enlightening; they are amazingly simple, yet complex, and they don't call on you to subscribe to any dogma. Although very short, it packs some punch. Its widely available in many translations online.

by **slimmouse** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 2:30 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Good for you sm if you really got that many converts... Did you rent a movie house or something? For my part, I have gone around giving all my friends copies of "Waking up From Our Nightmare" by Don Paul and Jim Hoffman. Now I am very p.o. because it seems common consensus that this guy Jim is really a disinfo agent... interested to hear your take on this. Haven't seen In Plane Site, but would like to soon. BTW how did everyone find out that Jim Hoffman is a fraud. I don't know who to believe anymore....<hr></blockquote> DBD. Im one of the luckiest men on earth in that I have met someone with a facility to allow me to talk to people. He himself is an incredible man, who has taught me knowledge, which dare I say it, I cant even find on here - And that IS saying something. The number of converted I quote is hopefully on the small side. For those not fortunate enough to have this facility, I know it must be extremely difficult, but is still no excuse for not doing something. Start with your five most trustworthy friends Who are convinced 9/11 was an Al Kayeeda production. The level of intelligence on this board, must surely be enough to persuade their close freinds, that they are dealing with someone both intelligent, and honest enough not to try and sell them a bad one ! I cannot speak for Jim Hoffman being disinfo unless hes also PO, but heres my personal take on "in plane site". Firstly, and in EXACTLY the same fashion as David Icke, as a newly fledgling member of the "alternative truth" community, I was quickly put off by Icke and Von Kleist by members of my own new community. Icke was dismissed as a madman, neo Nazi antisemite, and all the rest of it, whilst Von Kleists video was lambasted by various people - And mostly by ....youve guessed it...The peak Oil comedians. I spent about 30 minutes speaking to a 7 year exoil insider yesterday, who told me two things, which reinforced that which I now firmly believe to be true. Firstly this Peak Oil deal is a myth, and anyone whos genuine within the oil industry Knows it. Secondly, even if it werent a myth, we DONT NEED OIL. He confirmed that too by proxy. He spoke of the literally billions in extortion money paid to anyone who had alternative energy Ideas, or promoted them. Buying individuals or companies out, and then simply shelving their invention. The option to those with the ideas not taking the money of course was of course hasta la vista. Having actually watched the VK video , which I also believe has managed to split the entire US 9/11 movement down the middle - how convenient - instead of simply uniting them under a broader umbrella, I can find little fault with almost any of it. Particularly when you consider any number of absolute pearls of hitherto "dissapeared" or difficult to find and piece together truths - such as Silverstein's "pull the building" admission, and Bush lying about seeing the first plane hitting the tower etc. And secondly, whilst the 9/11 experts in our midst, might well have their reservations about VK, they are missing a very important point. Namely that this video is NOT aimed at the converted such as them. Its aimed at people who dont know the first thing about 9/11. It also clearly states, indeed insists that people check out these things for themselves. Which is something I also try to do. As an introduction to the rabbit hole so to speak therefore, it is an invaluable short sharp blast. And probably almost all 100% true, if the P.O crowd are the major critics.

by * » Mon Sep 26, 2005 2:31 pm

Tipper Gore and Barbara Bush both had HYPERthyroidism. This is not to say that pollution couldn't be the cause of both conditions: as individuals, we each react according to our own unique physiology. While anyone with the symptoms of Inanna could be hypothyroid, I would caution everyone against self-medicating with dessicated thyroid without some professional input. While the symptoms may present as hypothyroidism, the cause could just as easily be adrenal exhaustion or a similar disturbance in another area of the endocrine system. The most important first step is to eliminate all synthetic additives from your diet. This includes: artificial sweetners (aspartame; splenda/sucralose); hydrogenated oils; msg; and anything with a name you can't pronounce (until your own research prove it to be benign). If you live in an area of fluoridated water, DON'T drink it (see link below). <a href="http://www.naturalways.com/thyroid.htm">Hypothyroidism(good dietary suggestions)</a> <a href="http://www.mercola.com/2000/sep/10/green_tea_fluoride_thyroid.htm">Green Tea, Fluoride and the Thyroid</a> <a href="http://lightsv.org/bud1.htm">a simple general healing modality</a> <a href="http://www.emofree.com/default.htm">Emotional Freedom Techniques: a universal healing aid</a> These are non-invasive do-it-yourself techniques which can improve your general health and well-being for little money. There are many alternative health practitioners which can help you approach your physical/emotional dis-ease in a more wholistic manner from Chinese Medicine to Classical Homeopathy but the western medical approach is one that will keep you dependent on the pharmaceutical companies and an impressive array of synthetic chemicals whose side-effects often require MORE synthetic pharmaceuticals. That said, NEVER try to wean yourself from psycotropic drugs without professional help. However, it is your Doctor's obligation to help you withdraw if that is your desire (s)he works for YOU. Also, never take any medical advice in a non-emergency (including mine) without doing your OWN research. heath7, wonderful suggestion.

by **nashvillebrook** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 2:40 pm

i have a lot to say about this, but i'm on my way out to my doc -- <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> the one thing that i can say is to find a doc who shares your politics. i've been real careful in this area. i can't imagine the added stress of having to discuss this stuff with someone you can't trust. more later.

by **israelirealities** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 4:37 pm

:-)) yeah I can see why you expected something else coming from Zion.... I don't know what DU is...everyone mentiones it, so I supposed its another website/discussion board most of you know and like. I know we are sidetracking from the original thread and I hope INnana forgives, but it is relevant as you mentioned, the same sense of "madness". Yes I agree with you about the "final solution" in the form of ISrael. And, the structure of the pre holocaust ghetto is very much replicated here. For me, this also changed my mind on the dynamics of the holocaust, perhaps it was the same as now, that some of the leadership went along, thought they are on top of it..etc.. It then becomes imperative to work within the community to identify this dynamics and stop it within. I think that you will find a few more Israelis here who share this view, as of now. Its fairly recent though, that some of the people here wake up. But when you do wake up, you meet with what is discussed here, everyone telling you you are mad, and there is also pressure and threats and a lot of incentive to become numb again. Its very violent. THe madness issue is relevant for me as well. I fight it off, partially, by having my own blog, and writing all my thoughts there. Eventually, and despite the threats, the sabotage I had to my PC, and what not, there are some 100 people who read it regularly and cherish the fact that I am writing it, and that they can benefit without taking the risk. As one reader wrote it to me :"I wanted to tell you that I read you always and I enjoy it much, but even admitting this makes me afraid of the government"... We should discuss it further it helps me, at least...

by * » Mon Sep 26, 2005 5:48 pm

Here's a link, IR: <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/">DemocraticUnderground</a> I think love/hate relationship would more accurately describe it. Many (if not most) of the discussions you find on RI would be disappeared or locked on DU. If you are concerned about hijacking Inanna's thread maybe you (or seventhson) should start another devoted to your and his perspective. I agree with much of what seventhson has posted here ... just differ a little on some details. My heart goes out to you there but I think you got it right about losing all prejudices. That's what we ALL need to practice for they are the only thing which divides us from our fellow human.

by **israelirealities** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 6:04 pm

Oh Tal 1 thanks, I'll read the references. The reason I was interested, it that my father lost his thyroid gland and has since then been on the substitute. Several cousins of mine have had the same problem so there';s probably a genetic tendency as well. Now, in ISrael water is heavily fluorodized and the government almost forces you to drink it telling people that their children will have less cavities if they drink tap water and not bottled water...emm. So I will certainly start with the general non invasive stuff but will also perhaps try the natural hormone mentioned by seventh, for a week or two, see how I feel. I always test my thyroid in blood test and its always low but above the minimum. However, these tests are known to be unreliable. I had a paranoid notion for a while, that my father was a subject of thyroid experiment, because he suddenly lost all the function, but didn't have the normal symptoms, and he was working then for a very secret, yucky, defense unit. Then, he was diagnosed and treated with Tyroxin, but was prescribed twice the dosage he required, and his doctor said it was a "mistake". As a result of this mistake he had a severe heart attack, at the age 42, he "clinically died" and revived etc., but his heart remained defective. He had the heart attack in the work place, in that x file unit and so I always thought perhaps they were running experiments on "killing" this gland, or reducing thyroid, and then seeing how they can "fix" it, and what the risks are. Don't know. This was already in 1976 , so perhaps it is too early for this, don't know.

by **Inanna** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 12:38 am

I don't mind if the subject diverges. It's natural. It can always come back. IR, I just want you to know how much my heart goes out to you. It's such a helpless feeling to know there is nothing I can do, but I do hope you'll feel free to discuss whatever you need to here. I also wanted to clarify on that Al Cuppert guy. He is a devout Christian who seemed genuinely concerned for the Jewish people. He kept saying...time to make Aliya, or something like that. I think he thinks Jews are in grave danger here, along with Christians. He seemed to honestly think people are safer off there. Normally I might chalk him up to being a nutcase, but after listening to him in several interviews I really think he's well intentioned. If anyone is interested in the link, I will provide, but it mind offend, as it's rather heavy on the Christian bent. He signs off Shalom, so I don't know what that means, other than to say he really seems to have his heart in the right place. He's also of the opinion that we've past the point of no return, and that the NWO is inevitable. We can delay it, but that's about it. I have been thinking that was the case, which in part is why I wanted Kerry in office. Difference between a bullet train vs. a locomotive. I want more time myself. Maybe we'll get lucky and the forces of good will overpower the forces of evil.

by **israelirealities** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 1:18 am

OK, then let's divert..:-) I don't know Al Cuppert,can look him up, but I would say in general, that in my opinion, the entire Judeo Christian mythology and cosmogeny is leading and geared towards some sort of confrontation, and it has to do with jerusalem and blah blah. There are similarities between the Jewish apocalypse and the Christian ones, naturally these books coming from the same dysfunctional region/tribe. I see events leading and pulling towards this blood bath either way. But, MY position is that we can, as humans, skip it, or transcend it by depatterning this entire "thing" namely, stop relating to our Jewishness or Christianess as a form of "script" we don't control. Its all in our hands, the story writing, our identities and what "narratives" and movies we run... So, regarding the Jews in America, Israel and all that, the way I see it is that any such collective decision making, and forcing people to accept a predetermined story and identity is problematic. Once you say "Jews should make Aliya", you have to start picking and looking and saying actually "what and who IS a Jew" and naturally you start coercion...you start suffering. more suffering. Now, if the Christian movie goes on, of course Israel serves as a large ghetto where its just easier to run the "armageddon, Jesus comes from the sky" scene. Now think how all this is ridiculous. Its a story, and its relevant for a part of the world, not most of it, not I think even half of it. Its just the Judeo Christian story, which is very bloody either way you look at it. It was good for a time when we didn't know there are two billion people in the far East who don't even know or care what and where is Jerusalem. And possibly almost a billion or so Moslem who don't care if Jesus was right or wrong against the Jews, and if they or someone else turned him in. I think it can be resolved, theologically. (I am naive, sorry about it. But making this fantastic suggestion is less crazy, in my mind, then following a destructive story and really believing there is an essential difference between a "jew" and a "protestant" and a "moslem"...And if there is a different why should it manifest only as WAR and annihilation ? quite suspicious...) Practically speaking, for NOW, Jews are not safe here in Israel, not so much because of war and terror from Arab neighbouring countries but because our own government went berserk if they were ever sane. This is also a result of ZIonism, which actually said that Jews are safer here and should do aliya. Perhaps, this is the last test for the world, whether we as humans are willing to continue these ridiculous distinctions to the point of harming, killing, displacing people only because there are theoretical differences in their "story" or values. I think we are failing it. So in that case, yeah, why not, let them make aliya, forced by antisemites and ZIonists alike, and let the games begin. Quite sad. This makes me really sad, but also to see the spins around it that lead to a lot of unnessecary suffering. I still prefer the visions of Isaiah (maybe him or one of those) who saw Jerusalem as this huge cool Ashram for all nations, religions etc. I think we as humans have a choice to create our vision of "Jerusalem"...look at this mad city now and you'll see the failure.

How do deal with people who think you are crazy, maybe I am?

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