How do deal with people who think you are crazy, maybe I am?

by **Inanna** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 8:33 pm

I am trying to find a middle ground in all of this stuff. I "woke up" 10 months ago to all the evil and corruption our government is capable of and haven't been able to live a normal life since. Hurricane Katrina really hit me and threw me back into panic mode, as I watched our government intentionally, IMO, withhold help. To me it was a trial run and exercise in martial law, confiscation of weapons, and a sign of things to come. I cannot tell you how many times a day I wonder about "what really has happened" to a lot of the people who were sent to these bases. We've all heard the horror stories and "urban legend?" of concentration camps in this country. I finally decided I had to go see my Dr. again. I have a couple of issues I have struggled with over the years that require medication (of the psychotropic variety). At any rate, I've been given a new diagnosis. I am obsessive now, as in OCD and he gave me another drug to fix my serotonin levels. I mentioned 911 (inside job) and my thoughts on items related, and he'd never heard of any of it. I think he thinks I am crazy. Worst thing is, I am starting to think so too. I told him I am not alone in this thinking and that all these people cannot be crazy. Plus, who wouldn't be depressed if everything we are thinking is true? At any rate, I am looking for some kind of guidance and reality check here. Yes, discovering what I did really changed my life and not for the better. I am not living a normal life ever since. I cannot find the energy or will to get most things done. I don't see a reason to get a job if I think the end is near. Yes, I realize depression is an issue for me and I've done my best to work on it, but then an incident like Katrina comes along and I just slide into the abyss. Any input is appreciated. Thanks.

by **slimmouse** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 8:57 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>I mentioned 911 (inside job) and my thoughts on items related, and he'd never heard of any of it. I think he thinks I am crazy.<hr></blockquote> Heres my best advice Innanna. Watch the DVD confronting the evidence, or In plane sight. Watch it 50 times, and then give them to your Dr, and INSIST that he watch them. Do a full appraisal of Jeffs "coincidence theorists" guide to 9/11. Copy the entire piece, with all available links, and give that to your Dr too. Then, the next time after that, that you walk in there, dont be surprised, if the Doctor lies down on the couch. Oh, and watch the meds.

by **DrDebugDU** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 8:58 pm

It is just overwhelming, but try to find some peace of mind in yourself. Don't expect a doctor to understand that 911 was an inside job, because he doesn't care about that or about Katrina. He is simply not on your level and knowledge, so let it pass. Events like Katrina are overwhelming and depressing, but it is temporary. It will pass and it means that you have a heart and have compassion with the suffering other go through. Don't fear your inner empathy and that it might depress you. It will pass and it is not crazy. It's the other way around, it is a sensible reaction to your own empathy. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

by **Dreams End** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:15 pm

A good therapist will not diagnose you based on political beliefs. He should be able to focus on how you can keep yourself emotionally healthy in light of your perception of the world. A REALLY good therapist would understand that the f&^%ed up state of the world may actually be a part of the problem with your mental health in the first place. Might be hard to find that kind, though. If the one you have can't help you find ways to stay healthy amidst reality as you understand it...you may want to move on.

by **FourthBase** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:22 pm

Find a therapist/psychiatrist who has some sympathy with your/our worldview. Most therapists will instinctively view conspiracy-theorizing as a symptom. Being made to feel like your perfectly rational worldview is a mere symptom of mental illness will only compound whatever craziness you might be experiencing.

by **marykmusic** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:28 pm

You have already gotten some advice. Mine is based on these premises: 1) I have no respect for the mental health "industry" because for a couple of decades, they have been creating a victim mentality; 2) Psychotropic drugs have far more side effects than are admitted, including wiping out one's psychic ability/intuition. The first opinion was formed not only from my own experience, but also from a dear friend who got his Master's in psychology then worked in the field until he was burnt out. Here are his words about how to deal with psychological crises?: "We've all had bad things happen to us. The only important question is, what are you doing NOW?" The second can be found in Credo Mutwa's writings and other sources, such as his six-hour video interview with David Icke. He's not the only source; just the quickest one for me to quote. He was more specifically talking about vaccinations, but the Valium/Thorazine/Prozac classes of drugs have similar side effects as mercury. That said, you need to worry less about what other people think of you, and more about what you think about yourself. You're not required to make everyone else understand ANYTHING. You see, it's about Reality Boxes. Ten months ago, your Reality Box got bigger. Things you never thought about before, expanded your world-view when you "discovered" them. Each of us has a different-sized Reality Box; some smaller, some larger (some leaky.) Each time we learn something new, our Reality Box gets a little bigger. To expand yours a bit more, and because your name is what it is (do you know where that came from?) please read V.S. Ferguson's book, Inanna Returns. --MaryK

by **proldic** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:31 pm

Skip "In Plane Sight" if you don't want to be called crazy.

by **somebody** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:52 pm

Being aware, can be a major curse! My doctor described me as histrionic after 9/11 (I didn't even know it was an inside job then) AND I was recuperating from a roll over car accident at the time! bitch! I didn't even know what histrionic meant until I found out many months later! Lots of people just don't "get it", and they don't have a very strong social conscience, or else they'd be freaking out like the rest of us here! They lack courage for one thing, and when faced with these facts that we know, they would have to do something about it, and they just can't risk shaking up their world that way. Unless you live in a pretty progressive part of the country.... there just aren't all that many (I don't know any!) people who you can discuss any of this with. That's one of the reason blogs were invented it seems. So that like minded people can discuss issues and pass on information & critical news to each other. And as far as meds go....I'd love to only give you helpful advise. For me, I was on them for many years (anxiety disorder....shhhh...) and the withdrawals can be absolutely horrible. I'm off of them now, and glad to be. Hey, if I was stuck in flood waters on a rooftop somewhere for days.... then I would end up being crazy from the w/drwls. I had something like that in mind almost a year ago, when I received help getting off of them from my doctor. You MUST have doctor supervision to do that!!! So be careful, be aware of their drawbacks, and do not doubt yourself......you. are. not. crazy!! p.s do you think Cindy Sheehan ever wonders if what she is doing is crazy? Yea, I bet she has moments of doubt...... but she's not.... she's a hero! The people she opposes are crazy! What a brave woman! That takes real courage to do what she is doing. And we can keep doing what we are doing too. Peace

by **slimmouse** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:56 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Skip "In Plane Sight" if you don't want to be called crazy.<hr></blockquote> Yeah. In fact, skip any kind of evidence that shows the controlled demolition, or clearly shows the official version of the Pentagon attacks for the outrageous lie that it was, or any of the rest of it, including eyewitness footage from the time. Especially, dont look at the stuff from the OKC bombing either on the DVD. Dont use Occams razor. Go instead on a sophisticated and pseudo intellectual wild goose chase. And whatever, I mean whatever you do, dont mention the Odigio warnings. In short dont involve yourself with what you can see with your own eyes. They will think youre crazy.

by **proldic** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 10:05 pm

"In Plane Sight" has been thoroughly and completely shown to be riddled with blatant errors, actual photo manipulation, and provably-false statements, by many credible folks within the 9/11 community. It is so obviously a piece of crudely-made disinfo I can't believe anybody here would take it seriously. I mean, if there's an opposite of Rigorous Intuition, that's flick is it. It's an inside joke within the 9/11 community, and laughed at (or fretted about) by anyone interested in serious 9/11 research. I can post evidence, but I'm sure it's been posted here before, and I think that Jeff wrote about it as well. Do your homework, SM. Otherwise you are crazy.

by **Watchful Citizen** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 10:21 pm

Knowing about evil people is unsettling. But they have always been there, for eons. Only tactics have changed. Some of us need to know how big historical crimes like war are pulled off. Many people don't and think we are paranoid or obsessed. But understanding life is a key to coping with it. A coherent narrative is what we most need, even if the story ain't pretty to keep from spining in generalized ennui and depression. People ask me how I can stand to study our abusive government and I tell them that it is like being in a boat with a snake. It's easier to watch the snake than turn my back on it! The bastards in power WANT us to be depressed, scared, and disabled so I rebel by being informed and pissed, two things that never fail to support each other. I've been researching the biology and psychology of human behavior for a long time and discovered something I'll share with you in case it helps. Personally, I find that rational explanations help keep me 'sane' and able to keep people from undermining my sense of reality just because they don't know what I know. Here it is: The E=mc2 of human behavior is called Biderman's Chart of Coercions. <a href="http://www.actabuse.com/chartofcoercion.html">www.actabuse.com/chartofcoercion.html</a> The chart is originally from an Amnesty International publication entitled "Report of Torture" depicting the brainwashing of prisoners of war. Abusers who brainwash their intimate partners use methods similar to those of prison guards who recognize that physical control is never easily accomplished without the cooperation of the prisoner. The most effective way to gain that cooperation is through subversive manipulation of the mind and feelings of the victim, who then becomes a psychological, as well as a physical, prisoner. These methods form the core of emotional abuse. The US government had built elements of institutionalized and even ritualized abuse into how we live in America. These methods just happen to also be what every human child experiences from larger adults who socialize the child into behaving in approved ways-threatening us, HITTING US, controlling what we eat, where we go, when we sleep, displays of being all powerful- you know, "Because I'm the Daddy!" The methods are traumatic and tend to imprint in our tiny minds for the rest of our lives. Every human had a different chemical brain balancing of fear and joy which shapes our personality combined with the variations of how much childhood trauma we experience. We can all heal from any leftover trauma with a coherent narrative of what happened to us so we don't feel badly about feeling badly, a disabling feedback loop. This is why the family experience is formative and is the template for how we think about ourselves in relation to other humans our entire lives. Some nasty ruling elite types (in military and CIA) have given this knowledge of how we 'think,' 'feel,' and 'behave' to elements of the US government who use our brain buttons to induce childlike debility, dependency, and dread in the masses so they will obey the government as if it is a parent even though an abusive parent. When we were children, we didn't realize that abuse was a bad thing. We just thought it was what parents did. So we tolerate abuse from our government and associate power with protectiveness even if it is evil power. So just like kids, we think that we must accept some abuse and feel anxious and depressed, a condition that makes us as compliant as if we were at Gitmo Bay. <a href="http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/hp/frames.htm">www.johntaylorgatto.com/hp/frames.htm</a> Public schooling was really designed in the late 19th century by American robber barons to use a Prussian model of classes which, I kid you not, was meant to turn us into worker drones and cannon fodder to prevent the populist movements in the American and French Revolutions! Read 'The Underground History of American Education' by John Taylor Gatto to see how breaking the will of children and programming them to fear each other and obey authority REALLY IS what schools are for, just as we thought! So I hope you see that we are put through hell from birth by our families and then treated like criminals by our schools and then our government. No wonder that this makes us anxious and even overwhelmed. This reaction is normal and understandable. The more you learn about exactly what the hell is going on, the better you will be able to cope with it. REALIZE YOU ARE NOT ALONE. WE ARE ALL IN THIS WITH YOU. Stick around this forum. It is a good community of informed people who care about justice and rejecting abuse by throwing it right back on the criminals who are responsible no matter how well they hide.. peace, WC

by **slimmouse** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 10:31 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>"In Plane Sight" has been thoroughly and completely shown to be riddled with blatant errors, actual photo manipulation, and provably-false statements, by many credible folks within the 9/11 community<hr></blockquote> Well Ive just spent the last 40 minutes looking at the "debunking", and in My honest opinion, the DEBUNKING is far far worse than anything ive seen in the video. But to give you your say. Perhaps you can suggest to me a better source of "truth" ? Where should I go for the ULTIMATE "Proldic" seal of approval "official" truth ? What is it about the movie that you dont like ? After all, it does adress KEY issues, such as the obvious CONTROLLED DEMOLITION of the main buildings. THE KEY FACTOR IN ALL of THIS. I guess its only right that people need to go off on sophisticated tangents right ? Get lost up their own rectum in claims and counter claims. Dont let the footage speak for itself. Kindly dont talk to me about RI proldic. Ive had enough of your RI. I find it to be rather like the Icke debunking. Hours and hours of fanciful nonsense from many people whove never read a sentence the man has written. Hey Waddya know, "In Plane Sight" is yet another example of me being suckered into not looking at the obvious stuff, and getting involved in pseudo intellectual sidetracking. Better not keep it simple huh ? I might not be a Harvard graduate, but then again, perhaps that aint such a bad thing. Theyve got Alan Dershowitz as one of the major "proffessors" there.

by **FourthBase** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 10:32 pm

Here, here! Watchful Citizen is right. That chart is horrifying, describes our society to the T.

by **Anonymous** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 10:38 pm

Being a member of the medical community, your therepist could very well understand investments. Simply tell him that at least 100 Billion dollars was made on puts/shorts placed before 9/11.

by **Watchful Citizen** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 10:49 pm

Consider lending a hand, not haggling. Humanize whenever possible. There's plenty of other places for that rich topic! peace, WC