Is this how you want to spend your life?

[israelirealities]

great info, except the mentin of Cameron as his colleague is somewhat creepy.<br>I was treated with magodose vitamins two years ago in Berekely CA (by an excellent MD) for depression, general immune and what not. It worked, but then she also used some mega potent herbs (i looked up some of them in internet and was freaked out but she knows what she is doing). It passed in two weeks, I was up and fit. BUT, it was mega expensive as well ! and not covered by my insurance (the fees for visits/blood test were, but NOT the additives). She also warned me that vitamin C, as it is sold in most drugstored is totally ridiculous and now working, so I bought the stuff she sold, and that was expensivo (now that I am totally broke, THIS makes me depressed too). So, I think if you seek the megasode vitamins treatment - you need a very good MD that does it, AND a lot of money. My impression was that some of these people know what they are doing. <br>Jenz, if you have any information on low cost alternatives, I'll be happy to know more. (israel's medical system is public and free, but does not cover integrative medicine, unless you purchase additional "complementary" packages that cost a lot of money, for me right now, that's unaffordable. Alternative doctors here charge a LOT of money and I don't trust them OR the products that are generally imported/distributed here. You can order stuff from anywhere in the internet but it adds to the cost (shipping is expensive).<br> <p></p><i></i>

[jenz]

I have no great expertise, and did not know <br> what your doc claimed (vit c bought over counter useless?) but this is not the message given by other doctors who use this approach. the internet has all the mail order comp[anies I know of, and sites which give you a breakdown of thenutritional elements in different foods. I kind of suspect doctors who charge a lot for treatment/products. there is a centre in London which does tests and nutrition supplement programmes based on Hoffer's ideas. though this is rarely if ever on national health, it is not as expensive as you experienced, <br> someone I know who has used it spent around £300 for the full whack of tests and the follow up . if that is indicative its not horrendous <p></p><i></i>

[israelirealities]

She didn't sell her own stuff, she only recommended one company which was very expensive it is an american company but not over the counter rather you have to order. the difference as I understood was in the quality of the vitamins and the fact it came in powder (not pills or liquids), and she said they don't mix garbage inside that will make your stomach sick when you are on megadose. It wasn't a lot of money in american terms it was a lot for me. (compared with free conventional medicine). The reason it was a lot of money was that it was a year of various treatments for me and my then 3 year old who had all kinds of problems, the worse of which was respiratory illnesses recurring and food allergies. SO all together since we were there at least once a month if not twice or four times, plus regular blood tests, some covered and some arent' (there is the great rapids laboratory which does it nationally) AND the variety of additives, herbs, dietary expensive foods (everything had to be organic super dooper no gluten no preservatives no no no...), and a lot of other stuff, fruit, vegetable, lots of nuts and oils, probiotics etc.) it turned out to be an exrtremely expensive year for us. thousand of dollars. SHe cured my son, and my conditions improved greatly, but the budget...<br> <p></p><i></i>

[jenz]

I think it impos. to say if the high prices charged by some suppliers of their preparations are justified or not. I know someone who was treated with preparations which were in liquid form, (in France), but under his social security regime, these were covered. the trend is for these 'alternatives' to become harder to obtain everywhere I think. but maybe for maintaining health, as opposed to dealing with specific deficiencies, it is possible to use the cheaper forms.? also tolerance of high dose varies. A common deficiency for American women is zinc, and this has causal links with eating problems. Perhaps I'm joining too many dots, but isn't it remarkable that an affluent society fails so miserably to feed its people properly? <p></p><i></i>

[israelirealities]

thanks, if once you run into a link to one of those clinics you had mentioned (that do the hoffer treatment, i'll be happy to have the info with me). <br>yes, there are good tinctures in liquid form, but with vit c I think they are not recommended (at least by that particular MD in Berekely). <br>Nutrition - US nutrition is very different in various places. North California, people are extra aware, some say too much. THe only problem I found there was the actual quality of fresh veggies and fruit. Compared to the Middle East, it is just very very bad stuff, tasteless, bloated, seems like life has left it. In order to get reasonable stuff you have to search for specialty stores and then the already high prices are higher. I never figured out why it is that way. Land ? fertilizers ? engineering of foods to have longer shelf life ? I am not sure. Its just pretty bad. Overall, compared to Israel, the nutrition is far better and one feels immediate changes in body, and general well being. In two months my hair was shinier, skin, weight...I lot of things just <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>exponentially improved</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->. (before any treatment). I don't know about Europe, cause I visited for short periods only. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[marykmusic]

A very close friend who lived with my family for 5 years-- I taught her everything I knew about horses and she went on to become a top endurance rider and trainer-- was diagnosed with advanced cervical cancer back about 10 years ago, and given 8 months to live.<br><br>"Fuck that diagnosis," she said, and went into a serious regime starting with surgery and chemo, then put herself back in shape. At that 8-month point, she was riding in her first Tevis cup 100-mile, 24-hour ride.<br><br>I believe she "chose" the type of cancer to get out of her husband pressuring her to have a second child; she was no longer interested in sex at all.<br><br>It's not "New Age crapola" at all, to me, considering I'm a metaphysical practitioner and a spiritual/intuitive counselor. Sure, I live near Sedona, but I have no more patience with "New Age crapola" than you do, Banned. My background goes back much farther than the beginnings of the newage-rhymes-with-sewage movement. Besides, I'm pretty much aware that the "movement" was invented and promulgated by the Tavistock Institute and other mind-control and behavior-modification programmers. Look up, for example, how the Beatles were products of Tavistock, and yes, Paul really IS dead.<br><br>This subject deserves its own thread. --MaryK <p></p><i></i>

[mother]

You feisty little minx, so full of vitality and wit. I ain't pointing the ancient boney old finger at your choices. But there are some terrific alternative methods of fighting off cancer, and some very promising outcomes. My best friend is Peruvian, and her bro is an M.D. In Peru they have a lot of success with Una de Gato for tumors and all kinds of illness; it seems like there's no problem blending what's always worked with modern medicine there. (it's called cat's claw here, but you probably know that) Then of course there's you -know-what, which I send you with love, m xxx/ooo <p></p><i></i>

[banned]

...on herbal and megavitamin remedies. I will check into Samento. I swear by onions and garlic myself, and vitamin C, and hot peppers, and yerba mate tea, and of course eating only organic and free range food and drinking only bottled water.<br><br>I was one who defied a diagnosis too. But then I am a born contrarian, it was lucky the docs said I had a very bad tumor and would soon cark it, because that made me say "Oh yeah? I'll outlive you." (None have died but 2 are retired and one took an administrative job, so that's 3 out of practice and I'm still takin' a lickin' and keepin' on tickin' <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :lol --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> ). Had they said "Hey it was just a little teeny tumor, you'll be fine!" I would have said "Fine? Are you INSANE? I have cancer, I'm dying!" I also like a challenge, which may be why I always left projects till the last minute so I could pull them out of the hopper against all odds.<br><br>Btw, isn't it odd that none of the important people in my life ever figured out a way to manipulate me understanding this? Seems pretty basic. "I bet you couldn't get this house cleaned by tonight. Anyway, you hate to clean." OH YEAH, WATCH ME! <br><br>Thanks too for the fish info. I didn't think he actually 'heard' me, I figured it was vibrations that make him come to the surface and look at me when I call his name. He's so cute when he puts his nose against the glass and wags his head and wiggles his fins and tail. The circles around his eyes are two different colors so he has an endearing look to him like the Little Rascals' dog (boy am I dating myself! <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :eek --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eek.gif ALT=":eek"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> ) <p></p><i></i>

[marykmusic]

I have a big aquarium with a couple of angelfish. Whenever I smack a mosquito, I take it to the tank... and I swear, the smaller of the angels sees me coming and is pressed against the glass as I walk over... then as my hand is above the water, she follows it back and forth, back and forth, until I drop the mosquito in... and she GETS it. The other one never gets it first. She's the smart one.<br><br>They DO learn. --MaryK <p></p><i></i>

[banned]

He's old enough to spawn, he must be lonesome, just swimming around by himself and eating fish flakes. But goldfish are dirty fish and until I can afford a bigger tank, I can't add a fish. <p></p><i></i>

[pugzleyca3]

Hi there mother! This is really funny because the Samento is actually unicarius tomentosa, una de gato, the Cat's Claw from Peru.<br><br>But the Samento is a form of cat's claw that is absent the TOA's in regular cat's claw that's been around for so long. The TOA's and POA's in the regular cat's claw fight each other and make for extremely high dosages in order to see any effects, so when they found the Samento, it was naturally TOA free. And this is what makes it so effective on cancers and just about anything else you can think of. <br><br>There was a scientist, I think in Germany or Austria who spent his entire life trying to remove the TOA from the regular cat's claw because he realized how potent it would be if this could be taken out and there is a form of it for sale from Germany, I think that is a pharmaceutical offshoot. <br><br>I love my Samento cat's claw and would use my claws if anyone tried to take it from me through Codex or other legislation. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>