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The "created equal" bit...

Postby banned » Sun Oct 30, 2005 2:15 am

...doesn't have to do with equality of intelligence or any other traits of an individual.<br><br>Equality is a legal concept--that under the law everyone is equal. <br><br>Now, that doesn't work in reality either, as anyone can tell you who ever sent their underpaid, overworked solo practitioner attorney up against a corporation fielding a blue chip law firm. But the theory is that there is procedural equality, so that whether it's Crazy Harry, the smelly homeless drunk on the corner, or George W. Bush, the law treats them impartially. Meaning in theory, Harry should get hauled in to sleep it off in the drunk tank for a night, and Bush should be hauled off to prison, tried, convicted, and hanged as a traitor and a war criminal.<br><br>Sure, there was an inane wing of social scientists who thought we were all born tabulae rasae...these were of course men who never took care of babies, who have differing distinctive personalities from birth, as for that matter are kittens. And then there's the "there is no difference between men and women" crowd, which makes you wonder if they've ever seen any naked people. And the "humans are infinitely improvable" group, folks who never tried to get a guy to remember to put the toilet seat down.<br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The "created equal" bit...

Postby AnnaLivia » Sun Oct 30, 2005 9:33 am

extremely disturbing and appalling statements from someone claiming to be a teacher<br><br>as a parent, i am most seriously alarmed <p></p><i></i>
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RE: Jello

Postby thurnandtaxis » Sun Oct 30, 2005 10:12 am

Y'know a few years ago some friends and I were hanging out with Mr. Biafra after a speaking engagement he was doing with Micheal Moore and Ralph Nader. We were very excited that he wanted to<br>grab some late night food and chat. <br><br>Well, poor guy, all he wanted to do was chill and maybe have some polite conversation. BUT my buddies and I were thrilled<br>to meet one of our idols and took the opportunity to give him our whole non-stop LIHOP/MIHOP spiel...<br><br>Well, he just wasn't having any of it. PREPOSTEROUS! He kept claiming. -And we just kept at him with the unanswered questions... But no real ground was gained. I mean we were used <br>to this sort of reaction from most of our peers, but here was some one who had been such a catalyst to our maturing political viewpoints in the '80's. And he didn't seem to realize how WRONG<br>the whole "official story" was coming across.<br><br>We were somewhat flabbergasted, I mean even Micheal Moore, at the end of his speech, kind of hinted in a very round about way that the public wasn't being given the full story about 9/11. But<br>MR. PUNK-ROCK himself, just towed the party line. It was still early<br>2002, and maybe there was a bit of an excuse for still being in shock...but to my friends and I it was more like willfull ignorance<br>and lazy digestion of mainstream media "facts".<br><br>All this denial coming from one of the major dissenting voices of an era. But his era it seems is a by-gone one. An era that<br>viewed the reality of the Reagan/Bush war on America as<br>being limited only to the social and economic fronts.<br><br>Perhaps in the succeeding years he's learned a bit more...but his cognitive disconnect at the time was really dissappointing to us.<br>But then again, you know the ol' punk rock axiom: <br><br>"Kill your Idols" <p></p><i></i>
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Re: RE: Jello

Postby AnnaLivia » Sun Oct 30, 2005 10:49 am

that's sad to hear TandT. i hope the years that have passed have brought him up to speed on 9/11 truth!<br><br>my son (has a band) knows more about jello than i do. i was sorta busy raising kids, working, and running a household during those years, and the music scene was not a high priority. there wasn't money to buy recorded music, so i have missed alot of good stuff.<br><br>i hardly look to celebs to guide my morality, but that essay of his i found yesterday really resonated with me. i'd sure love to meet the guy and get to talk with him today. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Lots of good points, eric. However....

Postby eric144 » Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:00 am

"The brilliant, tender Anglo-American elite have achieved exactly which rousing success?"<br><br>Apart from Madeline Albright and Bill Clinton in Iraq and they haven't been involved in out and out mass murder of millions like the examples I mentioned. It's also true that Iraqis biggest complaint is the behaviour of the ordinary 'filthy pigs' sent to kill them, not the US government which illustrates just how appalling they are.<br><br>The British government forbad the slaughter of the native Indians in North America. When freed from that civilising control, ordinary Americans (in the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness no doubt) cheerfully took part in arguably the greatest genocide in history.<br><br>The horrific racism in America isn't institutionalised, it comes (almost exclusively) from the ordinary citizens even back in the apatheid days of the 1960's.<br><br>It seeems to be true that people aren't born of equal intelligence, there is a biological component. Some lack the fundamental skills to achieve complex tasks and there's nothing that can be done. I taught in a college not a school by the way. That's the opposite view I had when I started teaching.<br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=eric144>eric144</A> at: 10/30/05 8:16 am<br></i>
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Re: Wake Up and Smell the Noise

Postby eric144 » Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:13 am

It's worth pointing out that musicians (like Bono) are prone to taking large amounts of drugs and therefore unfounded idealism. Bono even says George Bush and Tony Blair are great guys.<br><br>Musicians also like money, many bands split in acrimony, however few 'heros' are found guilty of stealing $200,000 from their punk brothers.<br><br>Jello Biafra Ordered To Pay Ex-Dead Kennedys Bandmates $200,000<br> <br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.vh1.com/artists/news/872887/05202000/dead_kennedys.jhtml">www.vh1.com/artists/news/...edys.jhtml</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>The idea that a young Amercan called Jello Biafra in a band called the Dead Kennedys should be taken seriously is strange to me.<br><br>I just read biographical books about Green Day and Kurt Cobain by the way, so I'm not just being an ignorant snob. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Lots of good points, eric. However....

Postby proldic » Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:15 am

Morning ALP, I would <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>strongly</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> recommend reading <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>American Aurora</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> by Richard N. Rosenfeld (1997 St. Martins/Griffin). A counter to the deluge of anti-American- people shit on this board. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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'morning to you, too, P

Postby AnnaLivia » Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:39 am

big thanks, Proldic. hadn't even heard of that, and i could use a break from the discouraging words, yes...not that i let my strength flag from them. (too stubborn!)<br><br>someday when you get time, i wish you'd just start a bloomin' thread called "a BMW for AnnaLivia"<br><br>books, music, websites<br><br>put your best stuff on my radar? pass me the learning?<br><br>"who took away our faith in what we know to be right?"<br>-Concrete Blonde<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Lots of good points, eric. However....

Postby eric144 » Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:43 am

American Aurora <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0312194374/002-7388499-6208861?v=glance&vi=reviews">www.amazon.com/exec/obido...vi=reviews</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Seems to back up my assertion that genuine revolutionary forces (which were present in Britain too) were diverted by a small elite backed by the French. In my view, it is arguable that ordinary Americans were much more democratic and self governing under British rule than they were with their own aristocracy in charge. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: eric

Postby Gouda » Sun Oct 30, 2005 1:54 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Apart from Madeline Albright and Bill Clinton in Iraq and they haven't been involved in out and out mass murder of millions like the examples I mentioned. It's also true that Iraqis biggest complaint is the behaviour of the ordinary 'filthy pigs' sent to kill them, not the US government which illustrates just how appalling they are.<br><br>The British government forbad the slaughter of the native Indians in North America. When freed from that civilising control, ordinary Americans (in the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness no doubt) cheerfully took part in arguably the greatest genocide in history.<br><br>The horrific racism in America isn't institutionalised, it comes (almost exclusively) from the ordinary citizens even back in the apatheid days of the 1960's.<br><br>It seeems to be true that people aren't born of equal intelligence, there is a biological component.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Thanks, Lord Eric. Your supposition is nicely clarified. I hope you are not a history teacher. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: eric

Postby eric144 » Sun Oct 30, 2005 2:07 pm

"Thanks, Lord Eric. Your supposition is nicely clarified. I hope you are not a history teacher. "<br><br>I'm not suggesting that Vietnam, Hiroshima or the thousands of other American atrocities are trivial. I tend to believe that the removal of the sociopaths at the top would quickly give rise to a new generation of (probably worse) sociopaths eager to fill their places. I have very little faith in 'we the people'.<br><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Won't Get Fooled Again</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> (the who)<br><br>We'll be fighting in the streets<br>With our children at our feet<br>And the morals that they worship will be gone<br>And the men who spurred us on<br>Sit in judgement of all wrong<br>They decide and the shotgun sings the song<br><br>I'll tip my hat to the new constitution<br>Take a bow for the new revolution<br>Smile and grin at the change all around<br>Pick up my guitar and play<br>Just like yesterday<br>Then I'll get on my knees and pray<br>We don't get fooled again<br><br>The change, it had to come<br>We knew it all along<br>We were liberated from the fold, that's all<br>And the world looks just the same<br>And history ain't changed<br>'Cause the banners, they are flown in the next war<br><br>I'll tip my hat to the new constitution<br>Take a bow for the new revolution<br>Smile and grin at the change all around<br>Pick up my guitar and play<br>Just like yesterday<br>Then I'll get on my knees and pray<br>We don't get fooled again<br>No, no!<br><br>I'll move myself and my family aside<br>If we happen to be left half alive<br>I'll get all my papers and smile at the sky<br>Though I know that the hypnotized never lie<br>Do ya?<br><br>There's nothing in the streets<br>Looks any different to me<br>And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye<br>And the parting on the left<br>Are now parting on the right<br>And the beards have all grown longer overnight<br><br>I'll tip my hat to the new constitution<br>Take a bow for the new revolution<br>Smile and grin at the change all around<br>Pick up my guitar and play<br>Just like yesterday<br>Then I'll get on my knees and pray<br>We don't get fooled again<br>Don't get fooled again<br>No, no!<br><br>Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Meet the new boss<br>Same as the old boss</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=eric144>eric144</A> at: 10/30/05 11:09 am<br></i>
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Re: homework

Postby AnnaLivia » Sun Oct 30, 2005 2:25 pm

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.monetary.org/briefusmonetaryhistory.htm">www.monetary.org/briefusm...istory.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>snip<br>MONETARY POWER LEFT UNDEFINED <br>Well then, the Constitution gave the Federalists a stronger government, and the anti federalists had their checks and balances. Everyone would live happily ever after right? Wrong! <br>The Constitution left open a back door through which a form of authoritarian rule could enter; a form more insidious than monarchy. More dangerous because it was less visible, and not understood, and more threatening still because its center of power was outside the nation, to the east. <br>It would take Jefferson almost twenty years to understand what had been ignored in the Constitution, and he would spend the rest of his life doing battle against the MONEY POWER. Jackson's Presidency became literally a life and death struggle with the bankers. Van Buren thought he finally finished them off, in 1840, but he was overly optimistic. <br>What was the source of so much trouble? The constitution had failed to adequately define the monetary power in the new nation! Authoritarianism had been kept out politically, and religiously, but was allowed to sneak in monetarily. <br>Van Buren recognized this years later when he wrote "The MONEY POWER ... was itself ... destined, when firmly established, to become whatever of Aristocracy could co-exist with our political system." <br>But why did the framers of a document so far advanced in its day regarding the balance between legislative. judicial and executive power, not realize that the monetary power if left unchecked, could endanger and ultimately overwhelm the whole edifice? <br><br>CONFUSION OVER THE NATURE OF MONEY <br>The main explanation is that as a group, the founding fathers didn't have a good understanding of the nature of money! Sound far-fetched? Well, even today the various schools of economics have not accurately defined, or even agreed on a concept of money. This may be the greatest failure of economics, since money is at the heart of every aspect of it. Economists are still squabbling over the most basic question about money: <br>THE 2nd GRAND THEME - OVER MONEY’S NATURE <br>The battle has raged for centuries over this 2nd theme - the nature of money! Simply and broadly stated, is money a concrete power, embodied in a commodity such as gold; or is it an abstract social invention - an institution of the law? Does it obtain its value from the material of which it is made, or from its acceptability in exchanges, due to the sponsorship or even legal requirements of the government? Or is it a hybrid - a combination of these f actors? <br><br>Snip<br><br>LIMITED US MONEY "POWERS" <br>Having been sold the idea of money as a commodity, in particular gold and silver, the Convention took minimal monetary actions. The entire Federal monetary powers in the Constitution are: <br>" Art.1, sec. 8. The Congress ... shall have power ... to borrow money on the credit of the United States ... <br>to coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin ... to provide for the punishment of counterfeiting." <br>Regarding the individual States, the Constitution declared: <br>"Art.1, sec.10. No State shall coin money nor emit bills of credit, nor make anything but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts..." <br>That’s it folks. Note that the monetary power was explicitly denied to the individual states. Alexander Del Mar, the great monetary historian and once head of the US Bureau of Statistics, described this result in his 1899 book THE HISTORY OF MONEY IN AMERICA: <br>"Never was a great historical event followed by a more feeble sequel. A nation arises to claim for itself liberty and sovereignty. It gains both of these ends by an immense sacrifice of blood and treasure. Then when victory is gained and secured it hands the national credit - that is to say a national treasure over to private individuals, to do as they please with it! ... Americans of the revolution had before them ... the historical examples of Greece and Rome. In all these states the main contention from first to last between the aristocratic and popular factions arose out of and centered in the monetary system; that greatest of all dispensers of equity or inequity. ... <br>They had only to take care that the seed they planted was genuine and uncontaminated. Nature was certain to do the rest. Well they planted; and now look at the fruit and see what it is that they planted! They planted financial corporations ... they planted private money ... they planted financial exemptions from public burdens...In a word they planted another revolution." <br>Very strong sentiments, but perhaps it was put better by Congressman Benjamin F. Butler in an 1869 speech to Congress on the money question: <br>"We marvel that they saw so much but they saw not all things." <br><br>other good stuff at<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.monetary.org/money.htm">www.monetary.org/money.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.monetary.org/">www.monetary.org/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: homework

Postby eric144 » Sun Oct 30, 2005 2:30 pm

Consider certain features of the lives of three men. The first was a very wealthy man. In l787, many considered him the richest man in all the thirteen states. His will of l789 revealed that he owned 35,000 acres in Virginia and 1,119 acres in Maryland. He owned property in Washington valued (in l799 dollars) at $l9,132, in Alexandria at $4,000, in Winchester at $400, and in Bath at $800. He also held $6,246 worth of U.S. securities, $10,666 worth of shares in the James River Company, $6,800 worth of stock in the Bank of Columbia, and $1,000 worth of stock in the Bank of Alexandria. His livestock was valued at $15,653. As early as 1773, he had enslaved 216 human beings who were not emancipated until after he and his wife had both died.2 <br><br>The second man was a lawyer. He often expressed his admiration of monarchy and, correspondingly, his disdain and contempt for common people. His political attitudes were made clear following an incident which occurred in Boston on March 5, 1770. On that day, a number of ropemakers got into an argument with British soldiers whose occupation of Boston had threatened the ropemakers' jobs. A fight broke out and an angry crowd developed. The British soldiers responded by firing into the crowd, killing several. The event has since become known as the Boston Massacre. The soldiers involved in the shooting were later acquitted thanks, in part, to the skills of the lawyer we have been describing, who was selected as the defense attorney for the British. He described the crowd as “a motley rabble of saucy boys, negroes, and molattoes, Irish teagues and outlandish jack tarrs.”3 <br><br>The life of the third man was more complex, more filled with contradiction than the other two. He was wealthy. He owned over 10,000 acres and by 1809 he had enslaved 185 human beings. States one biographer, “He lived with the grace and elegance of many British lords; his house slaves alone numbered twenty-five.” Yet slavery caused him great anxiety; he seems to have sincerely desired the abolition of slavery but was utterly incapable of acting in a way which was consistent with his abolitionist sympathies. He gave his daughter twenty-five slaves as a wedding present, for example. And when confronted with his indebtedness of $107,000 at the end of his life in 1826, he noted that at least his slaves constituted liquid capital. He had several children by one of his slaves and thus found himself in the position of having to face public ridicule or keep up the elaborate pretense that his slave children did not exist. He chose the latter course and arranged, discreetly, to have them “run away.”4 <br><br>Who are these three men? We know them well. They are among our “Founding Fathers,” or Framers as we shall call them. They are the first three presidents of the United States, George Washington, John Adams, and Thomas Jefferson. <br><br>The brief sketches of these men are but glimpses into their personal lives, but some of the details are significantly revealing. They suggest that the Framers, far from champions of the people, were rich and powerful men who sought to maintain their wealth and status by figuring out ways to keep common people down. Moreover, I shall present additional evidence about the lives of the Framers, the Constitution, and the period in which it was written which supports the contention that the Framers were profoundly anti-democratic and afraid of the people. Some of the information may be surprising. In 1782, for example, Superintendent of Finance Robert Morris believed that a stronger central government was needed to “restrain the democratic spirit” in the states. Eric Foner tells us that Morris's private correspondence reveals “only contempt for the common people.” 5 Benjamin Rush, “the distinguished scientist and physician” from Philadelphia and Framer (although he was not at the Constitutional Convention), would often refer to common people as “scum.” Alexander Hamilton called the people “a great beast.”6 Not all the Framers resorted to name calling, but it is clear that they feared and distrusted the political participation of common people. Perhaps even more shocking than the personal opinions of the Framers, is the process by which the Constitution was ratified. As described in more detail in Chapter 3, secrecy, deceit and even violence played key roles in the Constitution's passage. These unsavory tactics were used by the Framers and their allies because the majority of the people were against the ratification of the Constitution. What is striking about this historical fact is its similarity with public policy and elite decision-making today. At times, the interests of elites and the public interest coincides. When it does not, however, elites tend to go ahead anyway. And because so much of what corporate-government elites believe to be in the national interest violates accepted standards of decency, many public policies are formulated and carried out covertly. But the point here is that covert and anti-democratic measures are not new developments. They have been the method of guaranteeing class rule ever since the Framers decided that they needed the present political system to protect their power and privilege. <br><br> <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://cyberjournal.org/cj/authors/fresia/#c1">cyberjournal.org/cj/authors/fresia/#c1</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>US Presidents who owned slaves : George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Andrew Jackson, John Tyler, James K. Polk, Zachary Taylor, Andrew Johnson, and Ulysses S. Grant.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.corsinet.com/trivia/s-triv.html">www.corsinet.com/trivia/s-triv.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=eric144>eric144</A> at: 10/30/05 11:31 am<br></i>
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Re: homework

Postby eric144 » Sun Oct 30, 2005 2:32 pm

Insider Trading is the American Way<br>The Founding Scam<br>By MARK SCARAMELLA<br><br><br>The dashing face of Alexander Hamilton, first Treasurer of the United States, is a fitting portrait for the $10 bill because back in 1790 he engineered what became the great insider trading scam that founded the United States of America. <br><br>Although the illegitimate son of an itinerant Scottish merchant and a planter's daughter, Hamilton was a devout monarchist -- so devout that he spied for the British King while a founding cabinet member, undermining early treaty negotiations with England. <br><br>Hamilton made his way into George Washington's graces by studying the famously corrupt English system of finance and credit, and military theory. As George Washington's aide-de-camp during the Revolutionary War, Hamilton's assignment was "to think for me," said Washington, "as well as execute orders." <br><br>Hamilton went on to become a lawyer, of course, representing the nation's founding money men at 57 Wall Street. This experience, combined with his well-honed intellectual capacities and his marriage to the extremely wealthy Elizabeth Schuyler, brought him into contact with New York's richest bankers and businessmen, not the least of whom was his father-in-law. <br><br>At the end of the Revolutionary War, the loose confederation of states which wore down the British and forced them to abandon their colonies had accumulated a huge war debt to soldiers, farmers, tradesmen and suppliers who had sold goods to the army -- paid in currency called "Continentals." The Continentals became virtually worthless after the war, yet they remained in circulation, falling in value and creating price inflation. The states had borrowed and printed a lot of money to fight the Brits themselves, too. Many of their currencies fell in value, reflecting their debt levels; others rose. Financial confusion reigned. European backers of the Revolution, predominantly Dutch bankers and the French government, awaited repayment and US investors awaited assurances of monetary stability. <br><br>But "the government" didn't yet exist and there was no money to pay with. <br><br>Would the holders of the Continental IOUs be stiffed? Would the US try to pass off Continentals to the Europeans, ruining its credit? Amid factional and geographic disputes, ordinary American IOU holders expected to be left holding the bag of Continentals. <br><br>But the ingenious Hamilton had other ideas, ideas known to his banking associates and other insiders. Hamilton privately convinced President Washington (who didn't bother himself with financial arcana and left such details to Hamilton) that the newly formed government should pay off the debts at full value. <br><br>Soon, Hamilton's associates -- bankers, agents, and speculators -- got wind of the government's secret plans to pay off the debt in full and bought up the supposedly worthless Continentals at 10% of their face value, letting the rubes believe that they'd starve before there would ever be a government capable of paying them off, or that they'd never be able to prove that their claims on the government were valid. <br><br>But Hamilton's circle knew they stood to make ten times their money when Hamilton's clever plans were implemented. The main opposition to Hamilton was Thomas Jefferson who thought that Hamilton's financial schemes were too royal, too British, and therefore too corrupt. Jefferson and James Madison hoped that the nascent government would be less centralized and more democratic.<br><br>Hamilton had General Washington in his hip pocket, but he had to get Jefferson's agreement on the scheme before the (mostly southern) states and their representatives would buy in. So Hamilton arrogantly promised Jefferson that if Jefferson agreed to the financial system of centralized banks, credits, and paper money, the capitol of the new country would be in Jefferson's backyard in Virginia, making it more accessible to Virginia and other southern states, putting them in a better position to profit from the access. <br><br>Hamilton also proposed that the federal government assume all the outstanding state debts, convincing the wealthy representatives of the individual states to sign on to the Constitution at a Convention -- also famously secret. And so Jefferson and most of the founders agreed to Hamilton's plans. In fact, many of the nation's first congressional representatives had bought up the Continentals themselves and made quick personal windfalls from the governmental payoff. <br><br>With great solemnity they spoke in favor of Hamilton's plan on the floor of Congress and voted against James Madison, one of the few to remain unconvinced by Hamilton. Madison wrote to Thomas Jefferson in July of 1791 and sadly reported, "Of all the shameful circumstances of this business, it is among the greatest to see the members of this legislature who were most active in pushing this job openly grasping its emoluments." <br><br>Hamilton's Treasury Department bought up the Continentals with dollars at face value and issued new government bonds to cover it. <br><br>Hamilton's stated purpose was to design a byzantine financial system which would be difficult for ordinary citizens to understand, larded with British monetary lingo that even lawyers would find difficult. It would also give those in charge of issuing credit a powerful ability to influence the country's unruly citizens with discretionary credit -- the so-called "mother's milk" of politics. Hamilton explained that "winning and keeping the confidence of men with money to bestow or withhold was essential to the fiscal operations of the new government." <br><br>Otherwise, Hamilton argued, financial anarchy would reign and the big piles of cash and credit necessary to finance the new government would be inaccessible. <br><br>Using the ever-expanding land value of the new country and the already burgeoning agricultural surplus being generated by farmers, slaves and indentured servants, Hamilton arranged to borrow more money from Europe to finance the debt and pay off congressmen and other wealthy Continental holders -- including his father-in-law -- with the proceeds. This new debt would in turn be paid off by offering stakes in Indian land and a British style system of tariffs (later converted to income taxes since tariffs were thought to be bad for international trade).<br><br>And thus began the financial system of the United States.<br><br>If Martha Stewart had been as smart as Alexander Hamilton she would have defended herself against the charges of insider trading by explaining that the country was founded on it and depends on it to this day -- she was just following in the grand tradition.<br><br>Insider trading and conjured credit is the American way.<br><br>Mark Scaramella is the managing editor of the Anderson Valley Advertiser. He can be reached at: themaj@pacific.net<br><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/scaramella03302004.html">www.counterpunch.org/scar...02004.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: RE: Jello

Postby Gouda » Sun Oct 30, 2005 2:44 pm

T & T sez:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>MR. PUNK-ROCK himself, just towed the party line…All this denial coming from one of the major dissenting voices of an era. But his era it seems is a by-gone one. An era that<br>viewed the reality of the Reagan/Bush war on America as being limited only to the social and economic fronts.<br><br>Perhaps in the succeeding years he's learned a bit more...but his cognitive disconnect at the time was really dissappointing to us. But then again, you know the ol' punk rock axiom: "Kill your Idols"<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Or wait until they die? <br><br>Peter Dale Scott (In Deep Politics and the Death of JFK) writes about the divide in paradigms between traditional rational structuralists and deep political researchers who allow for a wider field of evidence which often bucks those nice, established socio-political models. He cites Thomas Kuhn (The Structure of Scientific Revolutions) quoting Max Plank: “a new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.” <br><br>So do we just let them go, while educating the next generation, stupid and doomed by birth as they may be, according to Eric? (Amazing, just amazing how the best and the brightest get themselves disproportionally born into a certain racial and social class! So why educate the masses at all?) <br><br>Anyway, must we wait until the next generation for dissenting leaders with a clue? No. Be a dissenting leader who is madly constructive. I think that with things as they are, there is no time and no choice but to struggle for socio-political truth(s) to triumph more quickly than Plank’s generational scientific truth. <br><br>Quite a few on this board have imparted how much they have learned, changed, developed in their understanding, and have essentially experienced a paradigm shift. I have. And I am proudly part of the masses. Let's share with others who we know the Fools to be. <br> <p></p><i></i>
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