Karl Marx:under socialism women would also be publicly owned

[nashvillebrook]

but if that's what your teacher is holding as true, go with it. Marx is difficult material. no point in getting an F on my account. <br><br>but here's the deal:<br><br>the relevant material is found in the third manuscript of the Economic and Philosophical Manuscripts in a discussion called "Private Propery and Communism." the basic theme of this piece is that it's a mistake to simply overturn capitalism, arguing instead for positive suppression of private property. he's in deep water and doesn't yet have a graceful vocabulary. hence you get terms like "positive supersession," or the "negation of the negation of private property." not exactly muscular language.<br><br>when he speaks of "marriage and prostitution" in the third manuscript, it's in the context of ALIENATED LABOR. all this early stuff has to do with the problem of human essence which to Marx is "TO LABOR." that's the difference between Marx and say, Keynes or Hobbes. Marx holds that the natural state of being human is be "in motion -- to LABOR," -- to externalize inner purpose as external product which is then claimed as his own PRIVATE PROPERTY with intrinsic value -- UNALIENATED LABOR.<br><br>ALIENATED LABOR created a void in human life, dividing people from each other so what Marx sets out to respostion our relationship to property in order to re-connect people.<br><br>Marx sought that every person seek actualization in order to contribute to the whole human experiment (history). contrast that with a contemporary conservative view of human nature -- that people are naturally lazy and respond only to negative reinforcement and whose labor has no intrisic value until it's sold for a wage.<br><br>on to marriage:<br><br>"One may say this idea of the COMMUNITY OF WOMEN is the open secret of this entirely crude and unreflective communism." in other words, it's the exact opposite of private property AND prostitution that Marx is after. <br><br>furthermore, Marx specifically uses the family as the first division of labor and recognized "womens' work" as the most exploited labor, i.e. prostitution, in that women are completely objectified in the exchange. <br><br><br>whatever point you are trying to make here...best move on from this foundation. it ain't workin' fer ya. <br> <p></p><i></i>

[nashvillebrook]

"under marx" as you say, socialism was anything BUT a crude reversal of capitalism. <br><br>and he only used "private property" in a metaphoric sense with the goal of eliminating objectification. <p></p><i></i>

[smiths]

"One school believes we are made in God's image, the other things we arose from a pool of bacteria and every consequent action is just as meaningless"<br><br>theres alaways panspermia, not god, not primordial soup<br> <p></p><i></i>

[banned]

thumpy, you would have liked my college best friend's father, he was still regretting the Civil War. One of his favorite sayings was "I like black people. I think everyone should own at least one." <p></p><i></i>