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Postby emad » Tue Jul 05, 2005 12:37 pm

Historian in Himmler dispute was in earlier forgery furore: The SUNDAY TIMES: <br>July 03, 2005 <br>Historian in Himmler dispute was in earlier forgery furore<br>David Leppard<br><br>A BRITISH historian whose new book on Heinrich Himmler appears to be based on forged documents was involved in a earlier forgery row over a book he published five years ago. <br><br>The National Archives has launched an investigation after it emerged that apparently forged papers used for the book on Hitler’s henchman by Martin Allen may have been planted among genuine documents at its office in Kew, southwest London. Allen denies any knowledge of the forgery. <br><br>The documents in Allen’s book, Himmler’s Secret War, published in May, claimed that British intelligence agents murdered Himmler. It contradicted accepted accounts that Himmler killed himself. <br><br>Audrey Giles, a prominent forensic specialist, said yesterday that letterheads on correspondence supposedly written in 1945 were created on a high-resolution laser printer, technology not developed until at least 50 years later. <br><br>Signatures purporting to be those of Brendan Bracken, the head of the Political Warfare Executive, were found to be written over pencil tracings. <br><br>It has now emerged that Allen was involved in an earlier forgery row over a book he published in May 2000 about the purported role of the Duke of Windsor in helping Nazi war plans. The book, Hidden Agenda: How the Duke of Windsor Betrayed the Allies, accused the duke of treason. It said he had passed secrets of French defences to Hitler, easing the way for the invasion of France in May 1940. <br><br>The book was partly based on what appeared to be an incriminating handwritten letter from the former Edward VIII to Hitler in November 1939. <br><br>Written in German, it makes veiled references to a tour of the French front line that the duke had just made. The duke asks Hitler to pay close attention to information that an intermediary bringing the letter to the dictator has memorised. <br><br>The letter appeared to suggest that the duke, who abdicated as king in 1936 because he wanted to marry an American divorcée, was willing to resume the British throne once Britain had been bullied into a peace settlement. <br><br>However, as with the Himmler documents, some scientific experts cast doubt on the letter’s authenticity. <br><br>Allen had been advised that there was no reason to doubt the genuine nature of the document but Robert Radley and Leslie Dick, both chemists and forensic document examiners, conducted their own checks for The Sunday Times. Radley found “many discrepancies” between known samples of the duke’s handwriting and the handwriting in the letter that made him “highly suspicious”. Dick concluded that the letter was “most probably the result of a skilled attempt at forgery”. <br><br>Radley found at least 50 unnatural “pen lifts” — a sign, in his view, of an individual attempting to copy another person’s handwriting. <br><br>A third expert, Peter Bower, studied the paper used for the letter. He found that it appeared to have been “baked” to make it look older than it was. “This document should be viewed with grave suspicion,” he said. <br><br>Challenged at the time about the doubts over the Duke of Windsor letter, Allen said he was “shocked” to learn that it could be forged. <br><br>He said he had found the letter among papers belonging to his late father, also a second world war historian. He said his father had told him that he had got it from Albert Speer, Hitler’s architect and munitions minister at the end of the war. <br><br>Yesterday Allen said he was shocked when told that his latest book might also be based on faked documents. “I think I have been set up. But I do not even know by whom. I am devastated,” he said. He denied having anything to do with the creation of the document.<br> <br> <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,176-1678583,00.html">www.timesonline.co.uk/new...83,00.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>-------------------------------------------------------<br>The TELEGRAPH:<br>Files on Himmler 'murder' exposed as fake<br>By Ben Fenton<br><br><br>Documents from the National Archives used to substantiate claims that British intelligence agents murdered Heinrich Himmler in 1945 are forgeries, The Daily Telegraph can reveal today.<br><br>It seems certain that the bogus documents were somehow planted among genuine papers to pervert the course of historical study.<br> <br>Himmler: Forgeries implicated Churchill in his 'murder' <br>The results of investigations by forensic document experts on behalf of this newspaper have shocked historians and caused tremors at the Archives, the home of millions of historical documents, which has previously been thought immune to distortion or contamination.<br><br>The allegation that the SS leader was murdered, with the knowledge of Churchill and War Cabinet ministers, appeared in Himmler's Secret War, published in May.<br><br>What made the claim stand out from other allegations over the years was that it referred to specific documents in the National Archives at Kew - usually an absolute guarantee of validity.<br><br>But after The Daily Telegraph, like other newspapers, was approached to publicise the book, the documents began to raise suspicions.<br><br>The improbability of allegations that flatly contradict the accepted fact that Himmler killed himself and the use of language in documents that read more like excerpts from a spy thriller than dry civil service memos prompted this newspaper to raise concerns with the National Archives.<br><br>Officials gave permission for documents to be taken to the laboratories in Amersham, Bucks, of Dr Audrey Giles, one of the foremost forensic document specialists.<br><br>She discovered that letterheads on correspondence supposedly written in 1945 were created on a high-resolution laser printer, technology not developed until at least 50 years later.<br><br>Signatures supposed to be those of Brendan Bracken, the minister of information and head of the Political Warfare Executive, which aimed to subvert the German war effort, were found to be written over pencil tracings.<br><br>Dr Giles also found that it was almost certain that letters from two different government departments were written on the same, authentically contemporary, typewriter.<br><br>She concluded that at least four of the five suspect documents were forgeries and probably the fifth.<br><br>The findings were communicated to the National Archives this week, where a spokesman said: "We are very concerned and have commissioned an official forensic examination of these papers."<br><br>Asked if there would be a police investigation, he said: "We are taking this one step at a time, but we are taking it very seriously."<br><br>There is no suggestion that the Archives could have prevented papers being smuggled in.<br><br>The forged documents suggest that Himmler was killed by a PWE agent called Leonard Ingrams, the father of Richard Ingrams, the former editor of Private Eye.<br><br>The assassination was the supposed idea of two senior Foreign Office men, John Wheeler-Bennett and Sir Robert Bruce Lockhart.<br><br>But it was allegedly supported by Bracken and the Earl of Selborne, the head of the Special Operations Executive (SOE), the sabotage organisation set up by Churchill with the order to "set Europe ablaze".<br><br>Prof M R D Foot, the SOE official historian, said: "This story was twisting history and it will not do.<br><br>"It was obviously bogus, but I am very grateful that it has been proved to be so."<br><br>The findings of Dr Giles's examination were put yesterday to Martin Allen, the book's author. There is no suggestion that he was anything but a fall guy for the forgers.<br><br>"I think I have been set up," he said. "But I do not even know by whom. I am absolutely devastated."<br><br>He denied having anything to do with the creation of the documents.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=0YYXBWA4AALQ1QFIQMGCM5OAVCBQUJVC?xml=/news/2005/07/02/nhimmler02.xml&secureRefresh=true&_requestid=69366">www.telegraph.co.uk/news/...stid=69366</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>-------------------------------------------------------<br><br>The TELEGRAPH:<br>'You expect everything in PRO to be real. It's a disaster'<br>By Ben Fenton<br>(Filed: 02/07/2005)<br><br>"Crikey," Martin Allen said when he was told that the documents on which he based the climax of his book were forgeries.<br> <br>"Bloody hell, how could that have had happened?"<br><br>The historian, who lives in Gillingham, Dorset, denied absolutely any previous knowledge that the papers he had discovered in the autumn of 2003 were bogus.<br><br>"It never occurred to me that anything in the PRO wouldn't be real. You go to the PRO and expect to find kosher documents.<br><br>"It undermines the whole process of National Archives."<br><br>Mr Allen, whose other two books focused on the flight of Hitler's deputy Rudolph Hess to Scotland in 1941 and the alleged pro-German activities of the Duke of Windsor, offered to help the investigation in any way.<br><br>He would also be contacting his publisher, Robson Books, to discuss whether or not the book should be withdrawn.<br><br>"I think I will ring my publisher and say that we have got something of a disaster here. <br><br>"Something strange has happened indeed. I really don't understand, I really don't.<br><br>"It's not within my skill to do something like this or in my interest because I'm a bona fide historian with several books behind me. I do my research. I spend a lot of money doing it and I didn't expect this. I am absolutely devastated.<br><br>"You read an awful lot of documents without finding anything at all and then when suddenly, at the end of the day, at 4 o'clock on a wet winter evening you find something like this.<br><br>You think: 'Yippee, I've found something. That gives me the lead on to something else'. But if you think the archive was seeded in such a way by the time you get the information - that's devastating, absolutely devastating."<br><br>The implications for historians in general are profound.<br><br>"Documents I find in the archives I tend to treat as gospel," Nigel West, the intelligence expert and historian of the SOE, said.<br><br>The sort of fabrication uncovered in the Himmler affair was unprecedented in Britain, said Prof Richard Aldrich of the University of Nottingham.<br><br>"It has happened with the UFO lobby in America and we have to face the fact that we are going to have to be more sceptical where the subjects are ones that people obsess about: UFOs, royalty, the Kennedy assassination, or in this case the Nazis.<br><br>"The second worrying thing is that we know the SOE had plans to bump off Hitler and there are documents showing - although perhaps I ought to say that appear to show - that we were planning the same for Mussolini and his deputy.<br><br>"So they are something we could almost believe before we see them."<br> <br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/07/02/nhimmler402.xml">www.telegraph.co.uk/news/...ler402.xml</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>-------------------------------------------------------<br>UK Nazi denier DAVID IRVING rejoiced when Himmler book was published:<br><br>'Revelations' that cheered the Right<br><br><br>Since Himmler's Secret War was published, there are people who have been gladdened by the information apparently revealed by Martin Allen.<br> <br>Internet forums that discuss Nazi history have welcomed a new subject.<br><br>On the website of David Irving, the British historian who was branded by a High Court judge as a Holocaust denier, there was a sense of triumph.<br><br>On June 3 on the website, which has a banner reading The International Campaign for Real History, Mr Irving welcomes the discovery, which he does not attribute to Mr Allen, but to a British researcher, Steve Kippax.<br><br>Mr Irving writes: "Real historians have long doubted the conformist version of how Himmler died, namely that he obligingly swallowed poison when he realised the game was up."<br><br>It adds: "What is truly extraordinary is not so much that the conformists have willingly overlooked the inconsistencies for over 60 years but that those involved in, or aware of, the murder - who included Prime Minister Churchill himself - had kept quiet about it." Further down his article, Mr Irving says: "Brendan Bracken, Churchill's obnoxious red-headed confidant … was also in on the action - a war crime, despite Heinrich Himmler's dark record, as he was a prisoner of war who had surrendered to British custody."<br><br>Commenting on Bracken's supposed remark, on one of the forged documents, that any link between British officials and the death of Himmler would be very damaging to the nation's reputation, Mr Irving, who is based in America, said: "Quite so.<br><br>"Britain's secret agents had secretly and criminally liquidated one of the most wanted men in history, for whose proper public trial and punishment the blood of millions of his victims cried out: and for no other visible reason than to conceal that for a few days toward the end of the war, Churchill had negotiated with him on peace terms."<br><br>Mr Irving does not seem to question the veracity of the documents.<br><br>There is no suggestion at this point that Mr Irving or any of his associates or correspondents were aware of the forgeries or had any part in them.<br> <br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/07/02/nhimmler602.xml">www.telegraph.co.uk/news/...ler602.xml</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>-------------------------------------------------------<br><br>See also:<br>Faking our history:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2005/07/02/dl0203.xml">www.telegraph.co.uk/opini...dl0203.xml</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>How Himmler's death was turned into a British murder plot:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/07/02/nhimmler202.xml">www.telegraph.co.uk/news/...ler202.xml</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Forgeries exposed by a hunch and by science:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/07/02/nhimmler302.xml">www.telegraph.co.uk/news/...ler302.xml</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br> <br>How was archive security breached?:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/07/02/nhimmler502.xml">www.telegraph.co.uk/news/...ler502.xml</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Who's Who:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/07/02/nhimmler702.xml">www.telegraph.co.uk/news/...ler702.xml</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br> <br> <br> <br><br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br><br><br><br><br><br> <br> <br><br><br> <br> <br> <br> <p></p><i></i>
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New Himmler book 'crap'

Postby emad » Tue Jul 05, 2005 12:40 pm

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Re: UK Public Records Office sabotaged, new Himmler book &qu

Postby Seventhsonjr » Tue Jul 05, 2005 10:12 pm

Sounds to me like the documents may well be real and that this is an attempt to discredit the author and hios story- a typical Rovian-Nazi tactic called "innoculation". Ity happened to Dan Rather and it happened to James Hatfield: so we must all be wary. Who are the "experts" who now are claiming that the British did nothing unethical and that documents in the author's FATHER's possession were planted there.<br><br>It doesn't wash. <br><br>We should read these books. They sound right on to me.<br><br>Finally having th4e expert disinformationist David Irving crawl out of the slime is a sure sign that this is a set up to discredit the author. I suspect he is telling the truth in these books and someone (HMMM, the BFEE>>>) want it squashed.<br><br>Hope Jeff tunes into this and waits for all the data...<br><br>disinformation can be tricky....<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Irving the holocaust denier and PRO sabotage

Postby emad » Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:15 am

Irving has been successfully sued in the UK and US courts for fraud, plagiarism and outright deceit.<br><br>His most recent foray lost him over £2million in punitive damages after prof Deborah Lipstead testified to the outrageous falsification of data that her perpetrated for commercial gain.<br><br>Martin Allen has been caught out yet again in his distortion of events.<br><br>For many years there has been a long-running high profile campaign by the Irving fan club to smear the late Duke & Duchess of Windsor as Nazi sympatisers. Some of this has come from US Republicans as a retaliation for the much publicised links of the Bush family to bankrolling and profiteering from the Nazis during WW2.<br><br>As anyone who knows their US history will tell you, Wallis Warfield (subsequently the Duchess of Windsor) was the niece of Harry S Truman's wife Elizabeth Wallace - better known as Bessie Truman - and was honored by her World War II work for the US Democratic party when President John F Kennedy awarded her the Presidential Medal of Freedom during his stay with them at the home outside Paris at the end of May/begining of June 1961, en route to the visit to London.<br><br>There are other current, long standing family ties between them and the Truman family. <br><br>Harry S Truman's daughter Margaret Truman Daniel holds many personal documents relating. For instance, her mother Bessie was awarded the UK's highest civilian honor in 1975 - the George Cross, a matter which the family have neither flaunted nor publicised.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Himmler book publisher was jailed for extremism

Postby emad » Wed Jul 06, 2005 11:19 am

Himmler book publisher was jailed for extremism<br>By Ben Fenton and Kate Connolly<br>(Filed: 06/07/2005)<br><br>The German publisher of a book which claims that British intelligence officers murdered Heinrich Himmler is a Right-wing extremist who has been jailed for publishing revisionist history.<br> <br>The claims, in Himmler's Secret War, by Martin Allen, have been debunked by an independent forensic analyst working on behalf of The Daily Telegraph. The analysis showed that at least four of the documents used to substantiate them were forgeries smuggled into the National Archives in Kew, west London. Almost all historians accept that Himmler, the head of the SS, committed suicide soon after being captured by British soldiers in May 1945.<br><br>Yesterday Gert Sudholt, the head of the Druffel Verlag printing house in Munich, suggested that the forgeries may have been perpetrated by British agents. "We know that the Russians had a massive system of forgeries - why not the British?," he said.<br><br>His publishing firm is renowned for its support of former Nazis and "revisionist" historians.<br><br>Mr Sudholt, whose stepfather, Helmut Sundermann, was deputy to Otto Dietrich, the Nazi press chief, has been prosecuted at least three times for printing far-Right material. He was jailed for six months in 1993 and received a suspended sentence in 1999 for similar offences.<br><br>A year later when the controversial British historian David Irving lost a libel action against an American professor who had called him a Holocaust denier, Mr Sudholt, 62, was described as one of the author's leading contacts in the world of German Right-wing extremism.<br><br>In addition to his publishing business, Mr Sudholt also runs the Society for Free Communication which offers former Nazi Party members and their families a platform for their opinions.<br><br>In the acknowledgments to Himmler's Secret War, Mr Allen's third book, the author thanks Mr Sudholt for his "great assistance in my search for testimony from eyewitnesses of Germany's past".<br><br>These are thought to include Gudrun Burwitz, Himmler's daughter, and Traudl Junge, the last surviving personal secretary to Adolf Hitler. Mrs Burwitz is regarded by most historians as an unrepentant Nazi. Mr Sudholt said that despite the furore over the documents he would still publish Mr Allen's book, even if the "three relevant pages" were cut.<br><br>He published Mr Allen's first book, Hidden Agenda, under the title Dear Herr Hitler, and his second, The Hitler/Hess Deception, under the title Churchill's Peace Trap.<br><br>He said he had not spoken to Mr Allen about the documents and was not prepared to say if they were forgeries. "The most pressing questions for us now are, if the documents were forged, where did they come from, and who put them there and why were they in the National Archive? Can we trust anything in the National Archive at all for the last 500 years? Can we indeed trust anything in any national archive? This could lead to the review of contemporary history and turn it on its head.<br><br>"I am sure though that Mr Allen will not have forged these - that's significant to us. We just want to know how they ended up in the archives. Who put them there?<br><br>"If Mr Allen looked at them, someone must have put them there. It's very exciting. You never know, they might have been swapped for the real ones by the British secret service - if that's the case the story is even more spectacular."<br><br>Mr Allen said last week that he had not realised the Mr Sudholt had such extreme connections when agreeing to let him publish his books in Germany.<br><br>He also claimed that Mr Sudholt guided him towards Himmler as a subject.<br><br>But Mr Sudholt said yesterday: "I gave him contacts to people who knew Himmler and that was helpful to him. But we didn't tell him to go to the documents in the National Archive. I don't know of them at all."<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=PZMKNXEV1RGS3QFIQMFCM5OAVCBQYJVC?xml=/news/2005/07/06/nhimm06.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/07/06/ixhome.html&secureRefresh=true&_requestid=73389">www.telegraph.co.uk/news/...stid=73389</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Who to believe?

Postby antiaristo » Wed Jul 06, 2005 5:19 pm

7th,<br>You can be certain of this: nothing, and I mean nothing gets published in Britain unless the Windsors consent.<br><br>How credible is the British press? Do you know about Duncan Campbell's <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>The Ricin Ring That Wasn't</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>The Daily Telegraph is widely known to be the mouthpiece of MI6<br><br>Do you know about D notices and Public Interest Immunity certificates and how they are used to stitch up innocent people?<br><br>What happened in 1936 is becoming very, very important in the history of the world. Just look at the pictures from Gleneagles (where Prince Andrew is Club Captain). <p></p><i></i>
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Father and SON:

Postby emad » Thu Jul 07, 2005 11:39 am

Holocaust denier DAVID IRVING:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.kcl.ac.uk/humanities/cch/year1/textanalysis/irving/irving.jpg">www.kcl.ac.uk/humanities/...irving.jpg</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>Sacred Military Constantinian Oder of St George chancellor ANTHONY BAILEY:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.constantinian.org.uk/pictures/bios/abailey-big.jpg">www.constantinian.org.uk/...ey-big.jpg</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Bailey's meteoric rise to wealth is the direct result of the commissions he received from Saudi sources who showered him with their royal honors, medals and decorations.<br><br>Anybody STILL wondering WHY the Saudis bankrolled the Vatican's ENRON portfolio losses?<br><br>Clue: What the Nazis spawned, what the P2 Lodge continued, and what Opus Dei took over is what the SACRED MILITARY CONSTANTINIAN ORDER OF ST GEORGE has revelled in.<br><br>From my previous posts on this excellent website, I repeat:<br><br>In the September 1940 bombing of Buckingham Palace, King George VI, his wife Queen Elizabeth (nee Bowes-Lyon) and their eldest daughter Princess Elizabeth all died from injuries sustained. Only the younger daughter Princess Margaret survived - for a while.<br><br>The UK Prime Minister of the day Winston Churchill took a drastic decision that was supposed to be a temporary counter-intelligence move to stop panic and mayhem. He installed three lookalike actors who had been previously used in royal security ops as decoys.<br><br>Queen Elizabeth was replaced by one Violet King Freeman, the second legitimate wife of Lenin-bankrolled fascist, spy and (officially) thriller writer Richard Freeman (who wrote under the name Edgar Wallace, including the script of the Hollywood film King Kong). King George was replaced by a member of the UK Aldington family called Peter Temple. And Princess Elizabeth was replaced with Richard Freeman's illegitimate daughter by his liaison with Russian prostitute Xenia Sergeyev - one Barbara Freeman. Who still poses today - as "Queen Elizabeth II".<br><br>The UK Official Secrets Act has flourished ever since.<br><br>Also of note are Richard Freeman's two elder sons and elder daughter - Brian, Pat and Michael Freeman.<br><br>The most notable of these is the youngest, Michael.<br><br>He took on the ID and persona of RONALD REAGAN and his half sister Barbara Freeman, became one of the most senior KGB officers ever to slime their way into pulic high office today.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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