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Ancient Copper Mines

Postby JD » Fri Sep 29, 2006 4:51 pm

Not sure how many people here are interested in anomalous archeology. For any who are this is an interesting old “issue”, The Lake Superior Copper Mines. I come upon this article today that talks about a new book on the topic. The article has some errors in it; I'm just posting as an introduction to the topic for anyone interested.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.hometownlife.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060917/LIFE/609170445/1005" target="top">www.hometownlife.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060917/LIFE/609170445/1005</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Who was here prior to Indians?<br><br>A couple of large boulders in Farmington Hills are carved with a number of symbols that appear to be hieroglyphics. <br><br>The writings are similar to the ancient writings of the Minoans and Phoenicians, who sailed the world well before Egypt became a power in the ancient world. <br>        <br>The Minoans lived on a Greek Island and had a well-developed civilization with indoor plumbing and beautiful art. Their civilization disappeared either because of an earthquake or volcanic eruption. <br><br>They were a sea sailing civilization as were the Phoenicians. <br><br>There is some research done by Fred Rydholm that is published in his book, Michigan Copper, the Untold Story. He asserts that ancient people came to Michigan for copper in the Keewenaw Peninsula and on Isle Royal well before the Indians crossed the land bridge in the Bering Sea. <br><br>They may have been in our locality by sailing in the ancient seas that are now dry. At one time in recorded history, we know that one could travel by canoe all over Oakland County. <br><br>The finding of those ancient boulders reminds one of Stonehenge in England, which was built before recorded history. No one knows who built it, but it is awesome. <br>Were there other "Stonehenges" that didn't survive or are buried? <br><br>Other possible ancient people sailing the inland rivers and seas could have been the Vikings or the Norse people or some others whom we do not know about. <br>There was more than one ice age, with melting in between. Recently, strange findings are appearing in our vicinity. For instance, mammoth bones were found in Troy. Everyone was excited to see the bones at Cranbrook. Other mammoth remains have been found, including ones in Siberia. <br><br>The copper in Michigan is unique. Some of it is on the surface, as large boulders. The Ontonagan boulder, a large mass of copper, was found in the mid-1800s. It was displayed in Detroit in 1843, where they charged 25 cents to see it. The boulder is now in the Smithsonian museum in Washington. <br><br>Rydholm asserts in his book that ancient mariners came into Michigan for the copper that was on the surface of the land. He has recorded the findings of other boulders and artifacts that pre-date the Indians. <br><br>The Bible records the great flood and ancient writers like Plato and Pliny write of the lost city of Atlantis that simply disappeared. <br><br>Geologists have discovered that the land of the earth is on tectonic plates that are universally mobile. The plates sometimes bump into each other. Earthquakes and tsunamis result. <br><br>The plates also drift and the North American continent was once closer to Europe. The oceans have risen and fallen over time. We are now experiencing global warming. Ice is falling off the glaciers. Even the bears in Alaska sometimes can't find a strong ice floe to fish from. <br><br>Therefore, over centuries, it is possible that the land has changed. Maybe a northwest passage was on our continent. This was before recorded history. <br><br>Most likely, someone came to get the copper, but didn't come back when the glaciers covered the land. <br>Who came to Michigan before the Indians? What did they write on the boulders that have survived the ice age? Did they camp for a while in Farmington Hills? <br>Ruth Moehlman of Farmington Hills is a member of the Farmington Hills Historic District Commission.<br><br>Originally published September 17, 2006<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.superiorheartland.com/3/Sample01.pdf" target="top"><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.superiorheartland.com/3/Sample02.pdf" target="top">www.superiorheartland.com/3/Sample</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->[/link]<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Ancient Copper Mines

Postby Sepka » Fri Sep 29, 2006 5:22 pm

What are the errors? The subject is an interesting one, but one about which I know little.<br><br> <p>-Sepka the Space Weasel</p><i></i>
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The Errors

Postby JD » Fri Sep 29, 2006 7:09 pm

Here's the most obvious one:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Most likely, someone came to get the copper, but didn't come back when the glaciers covered the land. <br>Who came to Michigan before the Indians?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>The Wisconson Glaciation was the last glaciation and it ended about 10,000 to 12,000 years ago. The timing of Minoen culture was more like 5000 years ago. Far after glaciation. <br><br>(Please don't crucify me if I'm out a millenium or two on any of the above - this is quick and from memory).<br><br>In addition, there is no question that aboriginals were in Michigan far before Minoens existed as a culture. So therefore no evidence of anyone in Michigan "before the Indians" as the article states.<br><br>One must be very careful with pre-Columbian contact archeology. It is loaded with agendas to deprive aboriginals of land rights. Having said that..... I think there is indeed very interesting evidence of pre-Columbian contacts.<br><br>The famous picture of Kennewick Man; which looks like Jean Luc Picard of Star Trek fame, is a good example of agenda driven pre-Columbian contact propaganda. In reality, Kinnewick Man was genetically Polynesian and possibly as black as night. Yet paint his face white, call him non-aboriginal, and you have a clamour of people saying that it was we white folk who were the first settlers of North America. Hugh could probably have something to say about the propaganda value of the skin color selection and obvious interpretation of Kennewick man to look European:<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://images.google.com/images" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.harbornet.com/folks/theedrich/hive/picard3.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>Here's a good example of a website that makes the pitch of what I'm saying above:<br><br>Pre-Indian Caucasoids in America<br>by Colin, Son of Þeedrich<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.harbornet.com/folks/theedrich/hive/Kennewic.htm" target="top">www.harbornet.com/folks/theedrich/hive/Kennewic.htm</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Here is Kennewick Man Picture with light skin tone

Postby JD » Fri Sep 29, 2006 7:11 pm

Damn other picture doesn't resolve - here it is:<br><br>http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/first/images/kennewick.jpg<!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/first/images/kennewick.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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The recent series posted by "dude"

Postby slimmouse » Fri Sep 29, 2006 8:08 pm

<br> The recent video series posted by "dude" concerning the <cough> official "history" of our species should be capable of re-educating the most ardent Darwinist/ official theorist;<br><br> <br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10?page=3">p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10?page=3</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br> Intelligent design, the North American cyclical concept of Yuga ?<br><br> Who really knows. <br><br> Kinda like did a plane hit the pentagon, and whether it did or it didnt, does that make the official story of 9/11 any more credible ?<br><br> <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The recent series posted by "dude"

Postby * » Fri Sep 29, 2006 8:59 pm

<br><br> slim, your link takes one back to the 'front page' of Open Discussion. Can you be more specific? <br><br> Thanks<br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Sorry 1 tal........

Postby slimmouse » Fri Sep 29, 2006 9:09 pm

<br> Sorry about that ......Dudes link to a series anyone worth the name rigorous should watch<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMessage?topicID=6256.topic">p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMessage?topicID=6256.topic</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br> On edit.<br><br> The link is the Google vid link about 5/6 posts down. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=slimmouse@rigorousintuition>slimmouse</A> at: 9/29/06 7:12 pm<br></i>
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Re: Sorry 1 tal........

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:43 am

This is what you want:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=magical+egypt&hl=en">video.google.com/videosea...gypt&hl=en</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Highly recommended from myself as well. <p>____________________<br>Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.</p><i></i>
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Back to the Superior Copper Mines

Postby JD » Sat Sep 30, 2006 1:49 am

Heh heh I can tell this thread is going to wander a lot assuming it survives past this post! <br><br>Here's a nice article on the Superior Copper Problem:<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf090/sf090a01.htm" target="top">www.science-frontiers.com/sf090/sf090a01.htm</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Missing: 500,000 tons of copper<br><br>For some 1800 years, beginning abruptly about 3000 BC, some industrious peoples mined ore equivalent to 500,000 tons of copper from Michigan's Isle Royale and Keweenaw Peninsula. Who were these mysterious miners, and what happened to all all that copper? It certainly hasn't been found in the relics of North American Indians. And where was the ore smelted? About all the unidentified miners left behind are some of the crude tools they used to pound out chunks of ore from their pit mines (5000 pit mines on Isle Royale alone). Outside of some cairns and slabrock ruins, there is little to help pin down these miners. Mainstream archeologists attribute all these immense labors to a North American "Copper Culture" -- certainly not to copper-hungry visitors from foreign shores. Admittedly, many copper artifacts have been dug up from North American mounds, but only a tiny fraction of the metal the Michigan mines must have yielded. <br><br>Curiously, North American Indian mounds have contained copper sheets made in the shape of an animal hide. Called "reels," their function, if any, is unknown. The reels do, however, resemble oddly shaped copper ingots common in European Bronze Age com merce. Their peculiar shape earned these ingots the name "oxhydes." They have been found in Bronze Age shipwrecks, and are even said to be portrayed in wall paintings in Egyptian tombs. The standardized hide-like shape, with its four convenient handles, was useful in carrying and stacking the heavy ingots. Could the reels from the North American mounds have been copied from the oxhydes? It is tempting to speculate (as we are wont to do) that the Copper Culture miners were actually Europeans, or perhaps Native Americans employed or enslaved by Europeans -- an omen of future, more devastating invasions! (Sodders, Betty; "Who Mined American Copper 5,000 Years Ago?" Ancient American, 1:28, September/October 1993.) <br><br>$$$$$$$$$$$$<br><br>I was first introduced to this topic by a book written by Jim Bailey called "Sailing to Paradise" that covers his idea of the Superior Copper mines in detail. Interesting book; albeit I haven't put a lot of effort into probing its strengths and weaknesses. In trying to find a link that covers its content I found Bailey's obituary. What a fascinating man. RAF fighter pilot in the Battle of Britain. Opponent of aparthied and a friend of Mandella. This guy had an interesting life. Worth reading for sure.<!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/obituaries/story/0,,230989,00.html" target="top">www.guardian.co.uk/obituaries/story/0,,230989,00.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>The best and most fair review of the content of Bailey's "Sailing to Paradise" is below (note the references to Atlantis below need to be put into the context that Bailey thought Atlantis was the Americas):<br><br>A stirring read about sea-faring, metal-trading Atlanteans., 1999-02-25<br>Jim Bailey presents the reader with a stirring account of his quest for the lost bronze age Atlanteans. Unlike earlier authors on the subject, Bailey suggests the Atlantean sea trade grew out of the shortage of aluvial tin and copper - the ingredients of bronze - in Mesopotamia around 2000 B.C.E. Bailey theorizes that Mediterranean metal prospectors found their way to the New World, exploiting aluvial sources on the Mississippi and Amazon rivers, as well as in and around Lake Superior. The legacy of these Atlanteans, Bailey holds, can be found in the curious similiarities between Sumerian, Egyptian and Minoan cultures and those of West Africa and ancient Mexico. A chart comparing ancient Greek Linear A Scripts with the Mayaglyphs is indeed intriging. Also are the many similiarities between the enigmatic Indus Valley and Easter Island writings. Bailey puts forth a convincing theory for early global trade, with economic profit as its premise, but periodically exagerates the evidence (a casual mention of sunken Phonecian galleys in the Caribbean, among many more) without concise documentation. Furthermore, the book cites a great deal of evidence from Africa, backed up more by Bailey's personal anicdotes than hard archeological evidence. A strong point of Sailing to Paradise is his comparison of architecture in both Old and New Worlds (the "Atlas" figures carved on pillars in India and Mexico) as well as myths and religions. Of interest to me is the Greek account of Atlas, who ruled Atlantis during the Third Race of Man, compared to the Mexican account of Atl, who created, and then destroyed the Third Age of the World. Overall, an exciting read, one that, like other works on the subject of lost civilizations and Atlantis, must be digested with a grain of salt.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Back to the Superior Copper Mines

Postby chiggerbit » Sat Sep 30, 2006 1:52 am

I was a Yooper for several years. Mmmm, love the Keweenaw Peninsula. <p></p><i></i>
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