ARE YOU F*CK@NG Kidding me?

[tbdp]

Found this linked on Huffingpost:<br><br>**Scientists: Humans Might Split Into “Upper” And “Underclass” Species...**<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13547374,00.html">news.sky.com/skynews/arti...74,00.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>No need to comment, just horrified by the arrogance of the ruling class (Dim or Repug).<br><br>Never fell for Arianna's bullshit, but many have apparently. I guess social Darwinism always trips the Occidental trigger.<br> <p></p><i></i>

[Joe Hillshoist]

Its already happening actually.<br><br>Although the things that are attractive today may not be in future.<br><br>I seem to remember Darwin talking about sexual selection as being as important a factor in evolution as anything. IE Whats sexy gets to breed.<br><br>But what determines what is attractive?<br><br>And, lets face it, there's a few assumptions in that article. Like the bit about people getting bigger - doesn't that depend on an adequate, or more than adequate supply of food?<br><br>Why is it that westerners are generally bigger and stronger, well not necessarily stronger.<br><br>Simply cos most of us are able to eat well and not starve, that we live in a resource rich enviroment. Your genes determine your potential, but what you become is dependant on how your genes and the environment they are exposed to interact.<br><br>To assume thats gonna last 1000 years is pretty optimistic. It would be good if we can somehow expand the prosperity the west has given its citizens. In my country the poorest people live at a standard of living that would have been kingly even 100 years ago. Well not the poorest, they are actually worse off. But the poorest white people. There is a percentage of the indigenous population, mostly outside major population areas, that have very little, no running water in some communities, terrible medical and social consitions, but many blackfellas, and all whitefella's here live in the lap of luxury compared to the rest of history. And the rest of the world.<br><br>If we last another 1000 years following the trajectory ole matey(who wrote the article) assumes we willl, we'll probably resemble Ian Banks' "The Culture" more than anything else. <p></p><i></i>

[rain]

Ah, well if you really want to get p'd off, you'll find a more detailed discussion in places like this -<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.foundation.bw/canam4x.htm">www.foundation.bw/canam4x.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>and I'd think that you can bet ya sweet bippy, that there are other discussions and plans not available publicly.<br> <p></p><i></i>

[4911]

dudes if it happened on star trek it can happen here... <p></p><i></i>

[bkkexile]

"The forecast was made by Dr Oliver Curry, who spent <!--EZCODE UNDERLINE START--><span style="text-decoration:underline">two months</span><!--EZCODE UNDERLINE END--> investigating the ascent and descent of man over the next 100 millennia."<br><br>LOL<br><br>At least we know what Dr Curry finds attractive in a man. <p></p><i></i>

[Gouda]

Rather, I think Dr. Oliver Strangelove spent that two months consulting with the lithe, beautiful, creative Henry Kissinger. <p></p><i></i>

[sunny]

Stupid, stupid, stupid.<br><br>Women will develope lighter skin, but the human race will develope a uniform coffee colored complexion? I guess women will become a breed unto themselves. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=sunny@rigorousintuition>sunny</A> at: 10/18/06 8:54 am<br></i>

[wintler]

Stupid indeed. The rise and fall of fortunes and dynasties shows how superior the rich and powerful are: two, four generations (barely noticable evolutionarily), they get soft, stupid, and frequently mad, happening so often in history as to be cliche in several languages. Thats culture, nurture overwhelming whatever nature might have gifted them.<br>It being nonsense wont stop the chains of regurgitation.<br><br>ON the skin colour, what with record UV accompanying warming, whiteys like me are going to struggle with ever increaing skin cancer. Will fair skins be so fashionable when most of those with it have to have melanoma's regularly hacked out? (or die)<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[bvonahsen]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Dr Oliver Curry, who spent two months investigating the ascent and descent of man<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>That say all you need to know there. The man is a fool, but I do have to give him credit, having a doctorate and spending two months investigating puts him head and shoulders above the creationists. I wonder what his doctorate is in? Veterinary medicine?<br><br>100,000 years is at the lower limit for natural selection to work, 1,000,000 years is more like it. <p></p><i></i>

[yathrib]

I almost put this in my blog, but I'm not even sure I want to publicize this sort of BS even to ridicule it. <p></p><i></i>

[1 tal]

<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>100,000 years is at the lower limit for natural selection to work, 1,000,000 years is more like it.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br> maybe you can't call it <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>'natural'</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> but it surely is selection:<br><br> <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"...Until very recently scientists had thought that inherited traits always involved genetic mutations -- physical changes in the sequence of nucleotides that make up the DNA molecule itself. Now they know that there is a "second genetic code" that somehow influences the way genes operate, and that by some poorly-understood mechanism can be passed along to successive generations.<br><br> Medical scientists hope to take advantage of the new science of epigenetics to manipulate the behavior of genes for beneficial purposes. But the dark side of this new understanding is that stress, smoking, and pollution can cause epigenetic changes -- including many serious diseases like cancer and kidney disease -- that apparently can be passed along to one's children and even grandchildren. For example, Dutch women who went hungry during World War II gave birth to small babies. These babies, in turn, gave birth to small babies even though they themselves had plenty to eat. "It changes the whole way we think about inheritance," says Dr. Moshe Szyf at McGill University in Toronto.<br><br> Just last month professor Michael Skinner at Washington State University in Spokane announced results of laboratory experiments showing that environmental pollution could permanently reprogram the genetic traits of a family line of rodents, creating a legacy of sickness. This research "highlights the long-term dangers from environmental pollution," professor Skinner said. Dr. Skinner showed that a single exposure to a toxic chemical in the womb could produce a sick litter of offspring, which in turn could produce its own sick offspring. "It's a new way to think about disease," Dr. Skinner said..."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.precaution.org/lib/06/prn_dhn061012.htm">more</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[slimmouse]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>maybe you can't call it 'natural' but it surely is selection:<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br> By whom or by what ? <p></p><i></i>

[Corvidaerex]

(I started this as a comment on another site about the same article, but it got too parapolitical & I abandoned it ... but the RigInt crowd might appreciate it.)<br><br>Yeah, it's an absurd bit of "research." Utterly unexpected things happened to humans just 4,000 years ago (writing) and 25,000 years ago (art) and at some unknown point before that, language. Three unknown things that no species on Earth had ever developed suddenly developed in our species. So this guy is a loon for even pretending anyone could predict what's going to happen over 100,000 years ... or if this planet will even be habitable then.<br><br>On the other hand, we have already split. At least in the United States. (Globalization will ensure this happens worldwide, as we're already seeing in obesity rates in the UK or the shocking decline of intelligence in Russia, where a fascist state has taken hold without comment from the West.)<br><br>The two subspecies are an elite who can choose their mates from anywhere on Earth, getting the most attractive & intelligent traits together while holding an ever-bigger share of global wealth, and an obese diabetic illiterate subspecies of service employees doomed to mate with their local peers and shuffled from one nowhere job to the next, constantly being replaced by automation and robotics. At some point, there won't be any use for them at all -- Kissenger's hated "useless eaters" -- and they'll either be exterminated or shipped off to hellish outerzones.<br><br>It's not some social-darwinism theory, it's a matter of fact. And at some point, the weak will be killed off because we will literally be out of resources in 35 years (when the U.S. population is expected to hit 500 million). Whether this is a soft genocide (akin to China's one-child laws) or something uglier ... we'll have to see. Certainly the climate in the USA right now suggests the masses are being primed for various exterminations, starting with the unfortunate Arabs and Persians who live over the oil fields.<br><br>(And here's some uncomfortable news: You're in the elite. As the man says, What you don't know can't hurt them. You're in the sliver of the pie chart. I bet you travel, drink wine, read books, eat organic foods, exercise, make a living using your brain, and almost certainly don't have more than two children. Sure, you're not in The Elite – well, a few of you are, and Hi! – but you're in the elite subspecies.)<br><br>Here's an interesting thing I found on Cryptogon today: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/food/Story/0,,1924088,00.html">www.guardian.co.uk/food/S...88,00.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>A drastic change in the diet of Westerners -- completely caused by industrialized food preparation -- has created a subspecies of humans with Very Different Brains. Whether resulting in autism or anti-social criminal behavior or a tendency to drug/booze addiction, the brains are different. This is de-evolution at work.<br><br>I don't think it's an accident. There was ample evidence 30 years ago that a diet rich in transfats, carbohydrates, seed/soya/corn oils and minimal protein was a recipe for obesity, diabetes and poor brain development. So the USFDA codified this diet, demanded schools serve it to children, and the food industry rushed out thousands of "low fat" products which quickly replaced real food for the poor and working class and much of the middle class. PE and recess and even walking to school fell of the schedule for millions of children … just as Coca-Cola and potato-chip vending machines appeared on campuses nationwide.<br><br><br>Why did the entire medical industry and its partners -- the food industry and the federal government -- spend those same 30 years attacking a "diet" (Atkins) that was simply what people used to eat: eggs, fish, beef, vegetables, milk & butter and a limited amount of grains? My guess is that complimentary factors -- high profits on cheap industrially produced & preserved foods, well-meaning doctors who believe the med journals, and a quiet political desire for a brain-damaged obese population of slugs who couldn't fight back if they wanted to -- combined to realize an unmentioned goal.<br><br>Or, to use a term beloved by the Democratic Underground crowd, we already have a subspecies of humans known as "sheeple." (Closer to cows, physically, but "cowple" doesn't really work.) And we have a bread & circuses industry that works closely with government to create a culture of idiocy to keep these folks from making trouble. I came across a quote by Carl Bernstein the other day:<br><br>"We are in the process of creating what deserves to be called the idiot culture. Not an idiot subculture, which every society has bubbling beneath the surface and which can provide harmless fun; but the culture itself. For the first time, the weird and the stupid and the coarse are becoming our cultural norm, even our cultural ideal." Carl Bernstein, The Guardian, June 3 1992. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/food/Story/0,,1924088,00.html">www.guardian.co.uk/food/S...88,00.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>(Carl, by the way, is the "good guy" in the Woodstein Saga: a real reporter, no cabal bosses giving him the dirt, and a guy who has put his famous byline not on celebrity/political porn, but on things like the unveiling of CIA agents in every newsroom.)<br><br>I'd say the idiot process made a huge jump forward when a senile actor was used as president and convinced a large chunk of the working & middle class that a corporate-crime syndicate was, in fact, for the common man. The process has moved rapidly since, with a number of buffoonish actors from the idiot culture winning important political offices and nakedly obvious frauds like that same corporate-crime syndicate making a hapless New England preppy, brain-damaged alcoholic & Ivy League draft dodger a "cowboy" by purchasing a former hog farm for him in 1999 – adjoining Waco, naturally – as his "campaign" for the presidency began. And it worked, because his name was familiar to voters. (A early 2000 poll found that nearly half the country thought he was actually his father.) It worked so well that clueless liberals think they're slurring Bush by calling him cowboy. In fact, they bought the con. Even Hugo Chavez bought the con. <p></p><i></i>

[monster]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The descendants of the genetic upper class would be tall, slim, healthy, attractive, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>intelligent, and creative</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->.<br><br>They would be a far cry from the "underclass" humans, who will have evolved into <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>dim-witted</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, ugly, squat goblin-like creatures.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>This is where I see most of the difference. <br><br>When I pass by (or worse, am forced to interact with) your run-of-the-mill wannabe-gangbanger who can barely put together a correct sentence, I don't feel like the same species at all. And these people are <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>everywhere.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <br><br>I'm not exaggerating, either, when I say I feel like a different species. I've had that exact thought many times before.<br><br>They're just so <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>stupid.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <p></p><i></i>

[orz]

Haha i read this on the BBC site, crazy... sounds actually really stupid to me... some stereotypical sci-fi reading 1950's nerd's idea of the future <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> I pictured the lab-coated boffin from the simpsons explaining it... <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>