Tantra-Induced Delusional Syndrome ("TIDS")

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Postby liminalOyster » Wed Dec 28, 2016 2:39 pm

Sitting for Sessions: Dharma & DMT Research
Rick J. Strassman, M.D.

Rick Strassman, M.D. is Clinical Associate Professor of Psychiatry at the University of British Columbia. He is currently working on a book describing his psychedelic drug research with DMT, The Spirit Molecule.

In January 1991, twenty-three minutes after I injected a large dose of DMT (N,N-dimethyltryptamine) into Elena's arm vein. Elena is a forty-two-year-old married psychotherapist with extensive personal experience with psychedelic drugs. DMT is a powerful, short-acting psychedelic that occurs naturally in human body fluids, and is also found in many plants. Elena has read some Buddhism, but tractices Taoist meditation

She lies in a bed on the fifth floor of the University of New Mexico Hospital general Clinical Research Center. The clear plastic tubing that provides access to her vein dangles onto the bed. he cuff of a blood pressure machine is loosely attached to her other arm, and the tubing snakes its way into the back of a blinking monitor.

Within thirty seconds of injection, she loses awareness of the room, and us in it. Besides myself, Elena's husband, who has just undergone a similar drug session, and our research nurse sit quietly by her side. I know from previous volunteers' reports that peak effects of intravenous DMT occur between two to three minutes after the injection, and that she will not be able to communicate for at least fifteen minutes, by which time most effects will have faded. Her eyes closed, she begins spurting out laughter, at times quite uproarious, and her face turns red. "Well, I met a living buddha! Oh, God! I'm staying here. I don't want to lose this. I want to keep my eyes closed to allow it to imprint itself. Just because it's possible!"

Elena felt great the next week. "Life if very different. A buddha is now always in the upper right-hand corner of my consciousness," says Elena. "All of what I have been working on spiritually for the last several years has become a certainty. Left hooks from the mundane world continue to come up and hit me, but the solidity of the experience anchors me, allows me to handle it all. Time stopped at the peak of the experience; now everyday time has slowed. The third stage, that of coming down from the peak was the most important; if I had opened my eyes too soon I wouldn't have been able to do as much integrating of the experience as I have."

Two years later, Elena rarely takes psychedelics. Her most positive recollection of the DMT session was the "clarity and purity of the medicine." The most negative: "The absolute lack of sacredness and context." Many of the changes in her life, particularly a deepening shift from "thinking" to "feeling," were "supported" by the DMT session, but were underway before it, and continued after it.

Elena's experience, repeated by 10 to 20 percent of the volunteers in our psychedelic drug trials, represents the most gratifying and intriguing results of our work in New Mexico. My own interest in Buddhism and psychedelics meet in the most positive way in her DMT-induced "enlightenment-experience."

Ours was the first new project in twenty-five years to obtain U.S. government funding for a human psychedelic drugs study. This scientific research was the result of eighteen years of medical and psychiatric training and experience. I also have been practicing Zen buddhism for over twenty years. And it is in the molecule DMT where these two interests have finally merged.

There are important medical reasons to study psychedelics drugs in humans. The use of LSD ("acid") and "magic" mushrooms (which contain psilocybin) continues to climb. Understanding what psychedelics do to brain function, and how, will help treat short- and long-term negative reactions to them. Because there is some similarity of symptoms between psychedelic drugs states and schizophrenia, psychedelic drug research also may shed new light on this devastating mental illness.

There are other reasons to study psychedelic drugs. Although les "medical," they do relate to health and well-being. Primary among them is the overlap between psychedelic and religious states. I was impressed by the "psychedelic" descriptions of intensive meditation practice within some Buddhist traditions. Because their scriptures did not mention drugs, and the states sounded similar to those resulting from psychedelic drug use, I suspected there might be a naturally occurring psychedelic molecule in the brain that was triggered by deep meditation.

I was led to the pineal gland as a possible source of psychedelic compounds produced under certain unusual mental or physical states. These conditions would include near-death, birth, high fever, prolonged meditation, starvation, and sensory deprivation. This tiny organ, the "seat of the soul" or "third-eye" of the ancients, might produce DMT or similar substances by simple chemical alterations of the well-known pineal hormone melatonin, or of the important brain chemical serotonin. Perhaps it is DMT, released by the pineal, that opens the mind's eye to spiritual or non physical, realities.

The pineal gland also held a fascination for me because it first becomes visible in the human fetus at forty-nine days after conception. This is also when the gender of the fetus if first clearly discernible. Forty-nine days, according to several Buddhist texts, is how long it takes the life force of one who has died to enter into its next incarnation. Perhaps the life-force of a human enters the fetus at forty-nine days through the pineal. And it may leave the body, at death, through the pineal. This coming and going would be marked by the release of DMT by the pineal, mediating awareness of these awesome events.

In addition to the scientific puzzle presented by these similarities between psychedelic and mystical consciousness, there were issues of healing that also drew me to both. The sense of there being "something greater" resulting from major psychedelic episodes led me to think that psychedelics might be helpful to people with psychological, physical, or spiritual problems. It seemed crucial to avoid the narrowness that often spoiled claims for the drugs' usefulness or dangers, and to hold a broad view. My emerging worldview resembled a tripod supported by biological (brain), psycholanalytic (individual psychology), and Eastern religious (consciousness and spirituality) legs. The first two legs were important in my decision to attend medical school. The third pushed me deeper into Buddhism.

Disheartened by the lack of spirit in medical training, I took year's leave of absence from medical school and explored Zen in a series of retreats. Zen's emphasis on direct experience, its evenhanded approach to all mental phenomena encountered during meditation, and the importance of enlightenment all fit with my image of an ideal religious tradition. During my four-year psychiatric training, I helped found and run a meditation group affiliated with my long-standing Zen community. I was ordained as a lay Buddhist in the mid-1980s. This was the same year I was trained in clinical psychopharmacology, learning to administer psychoactive drugs to human volunteers in controlled scientific studies.

The form our research in New Mexico took was a traditional biomedical one, monitoring effects of several DMT doses on blood pressure, temperature, pupil size, and blood levels of several chemicals indicating brain function. We recruited experienced halluncinogen users who were psychologically and medically fit. This was because they would be better able to report on their experiences, and less likely to panic or suffer longer-lasting side effects, than drug-inexperienced volunteers. Volunteers believed in the ability of psychedelics to help "inner work," and volunteered, at least in part, to use DMT for their personal growth.

Was there a spiritual aspect to the DMT experience? And, if so, was this helpful in and of itself? This was one of my deeper reasons for developing our DMT research program.

Supervising sessions is called "sitting," usually believed to come from "baby-sitting" people in a highly dependent and, at times, confused and vulnerable states. But, in our minds, Buddhist practice is as relevant a source for the term. Our research nurse and I did our best to practice meditation while with our volunteers: watching the breath, being alert, eyes open, ready to respond, keeping a bright attitude, and getting our of the way of the volunteer's experience. This method is very similar to what Freud called "evenly suspended attention," performed by a trained psychoanalyst who provided support by a mostly silent but present sitting by one's side. I experienced this type of listening and watching as similar to Zen meditation.

Another example of how psychedelic and Buddhist meditation converged was in the development of a new questionnaire to measure states of consciousness. Previous questionnaires measureing psychedelic drug effects were not ideal for many reasons. Some assumed that psychedelics caused nothing but psychosis, and emphasized unpleasant experiences. Other scales were developed useing volunteers who were not told what drugs they were given or what the effects might be. I had always liked the Buddhist view of the mind being divided into the five skandas ("heaps," "piles," or "aggregates") which, taken as a whole, give the impression of a personal self who experiences. These are the familiar "form," "feeling," "perception," "consciousness," and "volition." I looked into several guides to the Abhidharma literature, the Buddhist "psychological canon" with over a thousand years of use monitoring progress in meditation. It seemed that a skanda-based rating scale could provide an excellent basis for a neutral, descriptive understanding of psychedelic states.

I let it be known I was interested in talking with people who had taken DMT. Soon, the phone was ringing with people wanting to describe their experiences. Most of the nineteen people were from New Mexico and the West Coast, and nearly all were involved in some therapeutic or religious discipline. They were well-educated, articulate, and impressed with DMT's ability to open the door to highly unusual, nonmaterial states, which was greater than that of longer-lasting psychedeilcs like psilocybin or LSD. After completing these interviews, I decided to add a sixth "skanda" to the questionnaire, called "intensity," which helped quantify the nature of the experience.

We gave and analyzed this new questionnaire, the Hallucinogenic Rating Scale (HRS), almost 400 times to more than fifty people over four years. It is interesting to note that the grouping of questions using the skanda method gave more sensitive results in or DMT work than did a large number of biological meaurements, such as blood pressure, temperature, or levels of certain chemicals in blood.

Besides informing our style of sitting for and measuring responses to drug sessions, Buddhism helped make sense of the experiences people had in our relatively sparse but supportive environment. For many volunteers, even those with prior DMT use, the first high dose of intravenous DMT was like a near-death state, which in turn has been strongly linked to beneficial mystical experiences. Several were convinced they were dead or dying. Many had encounters with deities, spirits, angels, unimaginable creatures, and the source of all existence. Nearly all lost contact with their bodies at some point. Elena's case is a good example of an enlightenment experience--sounding identical to reports in the Buddhist meditative tradition--brought on by a high dose of DMT.

On one hand, a Buddhist perspective might hold all of these experiences to be equal. The matter-of-fact approach to nonmaterial realms in Buddhism provides firm footing for accepting and working with those experiences. It also does away with judging nonmaterial realms as better (or worse) than material ones--a tendency in some New Age religions. The experience of seeing and speaking to deva-like creatures in the DMT trance was just that: seeing and speaking with other beings. Not wiser, not less wise, and not more or less trustworthy than anyone or anything else.

On the other hand, how to meet head-on the volunteer who had a drug-induced enlightenment? Certify him or her as enlightened? Explain away by pharmacology the earth-shattering impact of the experience?

It was confusing. At first, it seemed as if a big dose of DMT was indeed transformative. As time elapsed, though, and we followed our volunteers for months and years, my perspective radically changed. While some, like Elena, had profoundly beneficial results from her participation, a small number of volunteers had frighening , negative responses that required some care afterward. Other, more subtle adverse effects also crept in (as may happen with Buddhist practice) in the form of increased self-pride--that is, a division into those with and without "understanding." In addition, "solving" problems while in an altered state--particularly common with high-dose psychedelic use--but then not putting the solution into practice, seemed to me worse than not even trying to work on the specific problem.

I have concluded that there is nothing inherent about psychedelics that has a beneficial effect, nor are they pharmacologically dangerous in and of themselves. The nature and results of the experience are determined by a complex combination of the drug's pharmacology, the state of volunteer at the time of drug administration, and the relationship between the individual and the physical and psychological environment: drug, set, and setting.

The volunteers who benefited most from their DMT sessions were those who probably would have gotten the most out of any "trip"--drug or otherwise. Those who benefited least were those who were the most novelty-saturated. The most difficult sessions took place in combinations of two factors, the first being an unwillingness to give up the internal dialogue and body-awareness; and the second being uncertain or confusing relationships between the volunteer and those in the room at the time. Therefore, the "religious," "adverse," or "banal" effects resulting from drug administration depended more upon the person and what he or she and those in the room brought to the session, than on any inherent characteristic of the drug itself.

Thus, the problem with depending on one or several transormative psychedelic experiences as a practice is that there is no framework that suitably deals with everyday life between drug sessions. The introduction of certain Amazonian hallucinogenic plant-using churches into the West, with their sets of ritual and moral codes, may provide a new model combining religious and psychedelic practices.

In the last year of our work, a more difficult personal interplay of Buddhism and psychedelics appeared. This involved what might be described as a turf-battle developing between my Zen community and me. For years, I had been given at least implicit support to pursue my research by several members of the Zen community. These were senior students with their own prior psychedelic experiences. In the last year, I described our work to psychedelic-naive members of the community, who strongly condemned it. Formerly sympatheric students appeared pressured to withdraw any support for my studies. This concern was specifically directed at two aspects of our research. One aspect was a planned psychedelic-assisted psychotherapy project with the terminally ill, research that demonstrated impressive potential in the 1960s. That is, in patients who were having difficulty with the dying process, a "dry run" with a high-dose psychedelic session might ease the anguish and despair associated with their terminal illness. the other area of concern was the potential for adverse effects, both the obvious and more subtle ones previously described.

Scriptural and perceptual bases for this disapproval were given, in addition to community members' own and others' experiences. However, it appeared to me that the major concern was that it would be highly detrimental for them, as a Buddhist community, to associate Buddhism with drug use in any way. It appeared that those students who had their own psychedelic experiences (and had found them to stimulate their interest in a meditative life) had to close ranks with those who did not.

What I have experienced as the friction between disciplines is not uncommon in the world at large, and perhaps within the Buddhist community in particular. That is, is it "Buddhist" to give, take or otherwise occupy oneself with psychedelics as spiritual tools?

Several research projects are being planned across the U.S., using psychedelics to treat intractable drug abuse--a condition with a high mortality rate if untreated. I understand Buddhist precepts to condone the use of "intoxicants" for medical purposes (e.g., cocaine for local anesthesia, narcotics for pain control). Whether or not a Buddhist who gives or takes a psychedelic "intoxicant" for the treatment of a medical condition faces similar criticism will be important to note. Complicating this case is the point that the psychological/spiritual effects of a properly prepared and supervised psychedelic session might be seen as curative.

In a final area of possible overlap, I believe there are ways in which Buddhism and the psychedelic community might benefit from an open, frank exchange of ideas, practices, and ethics. For the psychedelic community, the ethical, disciplined structuring of life, experience, and relationship provided by thousands of years of Buddhist communal traditon has much to offer. This well-developed tradition could infuse meaning and consistency into isolated, disjointed, and poorly integrated psychedelic experience, without the accompanying and necessary love and compassion cultivated in a daily practice, amy otherwise be frittered away in an excess of narcissism and self-indulgence. Although this is also possible with a Buddhist meditative tradition, it is less likely with the checks and balances in place within a dynamic community of practicioners.

However, dedicated Buddhist practitioners with little success in their meditation, but well along in moral and intellectual development, might benefit from a carefully timed, prepared, supervised, and followed-up psychedelic session to accelerate their practice. Psychedelics, if anything, provide a view that--to one so inclined--can inspire the long hard work required to make that view a living reality.



Just noticed that Zig Zag Zen has been republished (almost two years ago now).

ZIG ZAG ZEN (NEW EDITION)
THE ONLY BOOK OF ITS KIND THAT OFFERS A CONVERSATION ABOUT BUDDHIST PRACTICE AND THE PSYCHEDELIC SPIRITUAL EXPERIENCE.

ALLAN BADINER, EDITOR • ALEX GREY, ART EDITOR
Buddhism and psychedelic exploration share a common concern: the liberation of the mind. This new edition of Zig Zag Zen: Buddhism and Psychedelics (Synergetic Press) has evolved from the landmark anthology that launched the first inquiry into the ethical, doctrinal, and transcendental considerations at the intersection of Buddhism and psychedelics. A provocative and thoughtful exploration of inner states and personal transformation, Zig Zag Zen now contains an expanded display of stunning artwork including pieces from Android Jones, Sukhi Barber, Ang Tsherin Sherpa, and Amanda Sage, as well as the original brilliant work of Robert Venosa, Mark Rothko, Robert Beer, Francesco Clemente, and many others, including more work by the pioneering visionary artist Alex Grey. Complementing these new images are original essays by such luminaries as Ralph Metzner and Brad Warner; exciting interviews with James Fadiman, Kokyo Henkel, and Rick Doblin; and a discussion of ayahuasca’s unique influence on Zen Buddhism by David Coyote; all of which have been carefully curated to extend the original inquiry of authors Joan Halifax Roshi, Peter Matthiessen, Jack Kornfield, Robert Forte, Ram Dass, Terence McKenna, Rick Fields and many others. Buddhism and psychedelics are inevitable subjects encountered on the journey to wisdom. Examined together, the reader may understand more deeply the essence of each. .

ZIG ZAG ZEN IS A MUST READ FOR ANYONE WHO IS CONCERNED ABOUT THE FUTURE OF BUDDHIST PRACTICE.
ROBERT THURMAN, CHAIR OF INDO-TIBETAN STUDIES AT COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY

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Postby American Dream » Wed Dec 28, 2016 3:35 pm

So fascinating- liminalOyster do you know by any chance, what was the Zen order that Rick Strassman was initially involved with?
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American Dream » Wed Dec 28, 2016 8:35 pm wrote:So fascinating- liminalOyster do you know by any chance, what was the Zen order that Rick Strassman was initially involved with?


That's a good question. I could've sworn I read Mt Baldy at some point but now all I can find is reference to the monastery being "in the midwest." I did see he did a Nyingma Abidharma summer school in NoCal during med school which is pretty interesting. Let me check my copy of ZZZ - may be there.
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Postby American Dream » Wed Dec 28, 2016 5:10 pm

Somehow I came to this:


How do you make yourself a body without organs?

November 28, 1947

Deleuze and Guattari

The Dogon Egg and the Distribution of Intensities

At any rate, you have one (or several). It's not so much that it preexists or comes ready-made, although in certain respects it is preexistent. At any Tate, you make one, you can't desire without making one. And it awaits you; it is an inevitable exercise or experimentation, already accomplished the moment you undertake it, unaccomplished as long as you don't. This is not assuring, because you can botch it. Or it can be terrifying, and lead you to your death. H is nondesire as well as desire. It is not at all a notion or a concept but a practice, a set of practices. You never reach the Body without Organs, you can't reach it, you are forever attaining it, it is a limit. People ask, So what is this BwO?—But you’re already on it, scurrying like a vermin, groping like a blind person, or running like a lunatic: desert traveler and nomad of the steppes. On it we sleep, live our waking lives, tight—fight and are fought—seek our place, experience untold happiness and fabulous defeats; on it we penetrate and are penetrated; on it we love. On November 28, 1947, Artaud declares war on the organs: To be done with the judgment of God, "for you can tie me up if you wish, but there is nothing more useless than an organ."' Experimentation: not only radiophonic but also biologi­cal and political, incurring censorship and repression. Corpus and Socius politics and experimentation. They will not let you experiment in peace.'

The BwO: it is already under way the moment the body has had enough of organs and wants to slough them off, or loses them. A long procession. The hypochondriac body: the organs are destroyed, the damage has already been done, nothing happens anymore. "Miss X claims that she no longer has a brain or nerves or chest or stomach or guts. All she has left is the skin and bones of a disorganized body. These are her own words."2 The paranoid body: the organs are continually under attack by outside forces, but are also restored by outside energies. ("He lived for a long time without a stomach, without intestines, almost without lungs, with a torn oesophagus, I without a bladder, and with shattered ribs, he used sometimes to swallow' part of his own larynx with his food, etc. But divine miracles ('rays') always restored what had been destroyed.")3 The schizo body, waging its own active internal struggle against the organs, at the price of catatonia. Then the drugged body, the experimental schizo: "The human body is scandalously inefficient. Instead of a mouth and an anus to get out of order why not pave one all-purpose hole to eat and eliminate? We could seal up nose and mouth, fill in the stomach, make an air hole direct into the lungs where it should have been in the first place."4 The masochist body: it is poorly understood in terms of pain; it is fundamentally a question of the BwO. It has its sadist or whore sew it up; the eyes, anus, urethra, breasts, and nose are sewn shut. It has itself strung up to stop the organs from working, flayed, as if the organs clung to the skin; sodomized, smothered, to make sure everything is sealed tight.

Why such a dreary parade of sucked-dry, catatonicized, vitrified, sewn-up bodies, when the BwO is also full of gaiety, ecstasy, and dance? So why these examples, why must we start there? Emptied bodies instead full ones. What happened? Were you cautious enough? Not wisdom, cap­tion. In doses. As a rule immanent to experimentation: injections of caution. Many have been defeated in this battle. Is it really so sad and dangerous to be fed up with seeing with your eyes, breathing with your lungs, swallowing with your mouth, talking with your tongue, thinking with your brain, having an anus and larynx, head and legs? Why not walk on your head, sing with your sinuses, see through your skin, breathe with your belly: the simple Thing, the Entity, the full Body, the stationary Voyage, Anorexia, cutaneous Vision, Yoga, Krishna, Love, Experimentation. Where psychoanalysis says, "Stop, find your self again," we should say instead, "Let's go further still, we haven't found our BwO yet, we haven't sufficiently dismantled our self." Substitute forgetting for anamnesis, experimentation for interpretation. Find your body without organs. Find out how to make it. It's a question of life and death, youth and old age, sad­ness and joy. It is where everything is played out.


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Postby liminalOyster » Wed Dec 28, 2016 5:15 pm

American Dream » Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:10 pm wrote:Somehow I came to this:


How do you make yourself a body without organs?

November 28, 1947

Deleuze and Guattari

The Dogon Egg and the Distribution of Intensities

At any rate, you have one (or several). It's not so much that it preexists or comes ready-made, although in certain respects it is preexistent. At any Tate, you make one, you can't desire without making one. And it awaits you; it is an inevitable exercise or experimentation, already accomplished the moment you undertake it, unaccomplished as long as you don't. This is not assuring, because you can botch it. Or it can be terrifying, and lead you to your death. H is nondesire as well as desire. It is not at all a notion or a concept but a practice, a set of practices. You never reach the Body without Organs, you can't reach it, you are forever attaining it, it is a limit. People ask, So what is this BwO?—But you’re already on it, scurrying like a vermin, groping like a blind person, or running like a lunatic: desert traveler and nomad of the steppes. On it we sleep, live our waking lives, tight—fight and are fought—seek our place, experience untold happiness and fabulous defeats; on it we penetrate and are penetrated; on it we love. On November 28, 1947, Artaud declares war on the organs: To be done with the judgment of God, "for you can tie me up if you wish, but there is nothing more useless than an organ."' Experimentation: not only radiophonic but also biologi­cal and political, incurring censorship and repression. Corpus and Socius politics and experimentation. They will not let you experiment in peace.'

The BwO: it is already under way the moment the body has had enough of organs and wants to slough them off, or loses them. A long procession. The hypochondriac body: the organs are destroyed, the damage has already been done, nothing happens anymore. "Miss X claims that she no longer has a brain or nerves or chest or stomach or guts. All she has left is the skin and bones of a disorganized body. These are her own words."2 The paranoid body: the organs are continually under attack by outside forces, but are also restored by outside energies. ("He lived for a long time without a stomach, without intestines, almost without lungs, with a torn oesophagus, I without a bladder, and with shattered ribs, he used sometimes to swallow' part of his own larynx with his food, etc. But divine miracles ('rays') always restored what had been destroyed.")3 The schizo body, waging its own active internal struggle against the organs, at the price of catatonia. Then the drugged body, the experimental schizo: "The human body is scandalously inefficient. Instead of a mouth and an anus to get out of order why not pave one all-purpose hole to eat and eliminate? We could seal up nose and mouth, fill in the stomach, make an air hole direct into the lungs where it should have been in the first place."4 The masochist body: it is poorly understood in terms of pain; it is fundamentally a question of the BwO. It has its sadist or whore sew it up; the eyes, anus, urethra, breasts, and nose are sewn shut. It has itself strung up to stop the organs from working, flayed, as if the organs clung to the skin; sodomized, smothered, to make sure everything is sealed tight.

Why such a dreary parade of sucked-dry, catatonicized, vitrified, sewn-up bodies, when the BwO is also full of gaiety, ecstasy, and dance? So why these examples, why must we start there? Emptied bodies instead full ones. What happened? Were you cautious enough? Not wisdom, cap­tion. In doses. As a rule immanent to experimentation: injections of caution. Many have been defeated in this battle. Is it really so sad and dangerous to be fed up with seeing with your eyes, breathing with your lungs, swallowing with your mouth, talking with your tongue, thinking with your brain, having an anus and larynx, head and legs? Why not walk on your head, sing with your sinuses, see through your skin, breathe with your belly: the simple Thing, the Entity, the full Body, the stationary Voyage, Anorexia, cutaneous Vision, Yoga, Krishna, Love, Experimentation. Where psychoanalysis says, "Stop, find your self again," we should say instead, "Let's go further still, we haven't found our BwO yet, we haven't sufficiently dismantled our self." Substitute forgetting for anamnesis, experimentation for interpretation. Find your body without organs. Find out how to make it. It's a question of life and death, youth and old age, sad­ness and joy. It is where everything is played out.


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Former Trip Magazine publisher James Kent has proposed that the entities are the product of DMT's disruption of our visual processing: being anthropomorphically oriented by nature, the brain tries to find order in the chaos by sculpting the neural static into humanoid figures. Seems reasonable enough, though it doesn't explain the regularity with which incredibly specific visions occur (surgical scenes, for example), nor does it account for all the highly intelligent DMT users who have undoubtedly entertained this hypothesis, yet who still insist that there's something more going on here.


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Postby American Dream » Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:04 pm

For anyone who hasn't seen it, this interview with Michael Taussig is well worth checking out:


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Postby liminalOyster » Thu Dec 29, 2016 7:18 am

Thanks, AD. Such an important piece (Taussig/Bey). One of the more prescient discussions of our emergent plastic neo-shamanism.

I recently saw that Ben Stiller movie, While We're Young and it prominently features (and parodies) an Aya ceremony.

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I'd love to talk to Taussig about this in person one day.
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Postby American Dream » Thu Dec 29, 2016 10:02 am

Wow, what a compelling and yet deeply unsettling story. There seems to be an element here that concerns a sort of self-brainwahing that can occur on extended retreats. I have mixed feelings about even the famous 10 day silent retreats that are ubiquitous now, given that they mostly occur in settings where there is not just silence but also a consensus about the theory and practice of self-realization. That said, these folks read like sincere people, just people disappearing down their own reality tunnel.

I'm only peripherally connected to Tibetan practice in the West but sometimes it seems like these traditions don't translate that well. While I don't dogmatically identify as "anarchist", I do have a subcultural identification with non-hierarchical organization. I don't know that I could fully identify with Lamaism in that way. Nevertheless, many of us- myself included- have tolerated sketchy behavior from so-called spiritual leaders.




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Postby American Dream » Thu Dec 29, 2016 10:08 am

Also, this:


Sorcery as Political Resistance

Napo Runa Indians who regularly go to work for the oil companies often have themselves cleansed with tobacco smoke by a shaman when they return to their villages. They are having themselves healed of wage labor; they are being cleansed of capitalism. This is a small act of cultural resistance, affirming the validity of their traditional values over against those of their white employers.

Shamans are the knowledge-bearers of their cultures, repositories of myths, symbols, and values. The shaman embodies a cultural tradition, and may thus function as a catalyst for cultural resistance against oppression and assimilation.

This should not be surprising. Shamanic power is involved in all community affairs; it is thus inevitably involved in aggression, warfare, and the struggle for political and economic power. Dark shamanism and assault sorcery especially have been viewed as acts of political resistance, and thus as, essentially, acts of cultural healing. A dominant strand in the interpretation of South American shamanism has viewed it as resistance against the brutalities of colonialism, as an indigenous struggle for autonomy in the face of state control, and as a discourse about modernity — gun violence, slave trading, debt peonage, missionaries, epidemic disease, “the white man’s materiality and spirituality.” Sorcery is political.


ImageIn this view, shamans play a role in resisting, ameliorating, and influencing the course of colonial contacts and history; they become the source and symbol of an indigenous culture capable of defending itself against colonial power and the national state. As one Putumayo shaman reportedly told anthropologist Michael Taussig, “I have been teaching people revolution through my work with plants.”

Sorcery, as a weapon of the weak, may be turned against the colonial oppressor, just as it may be used to enforce internal norms of sharing and generosity. It can function as a form of direct resistance — poisoning, killing, subverting the authority of colonial or oppressive powers. But such resistance may also involve multiple levels of irony. The colonizer, as cultural outsider, projects on the indigenous shaman the colonizing culture’s own presuppositions concerning sorcery and indigenous savagery. In turn, to be effective, the colonized sorcerer must conform to the expectations and presuppositions of the colonizer — indeed, for purposes of resistance, may reinforce and enhance such projections by emphasizing just those features of indigenous sorcery the colonizer finds most gruesome, repugnant, and therefore terrifying. And this is so whether the indigenous attack sorcery is actually practiced or is only an accusation people make against each other.


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Postby liminalOyster » Thu Dec 29, 2016 10:15 am

American Dream » Thu Dec 29, 2016 3:02 pm wrote:Wow, what a compelling and yet deeply unsettling story. There seems to be an element here that concerns a sort of self-brainwahing that can occur on extended retreats. I have mixed feelings about even the famous 10 day silent retreats that are ubiquitous now, given that they mostly occur in settings where there is not just silence but also a consensus about the theory and practice of self-realization. That said, these folks read like sincere people, just people disappearing down their own reality tunnel.

I'm only peripherally connected to Tibetan practice in the West but sometimes it seems like these traditions don't translate that well. While I don't dogmatically identify as "anarchist", I do have a subcultural identification with non-hierarchical organization. I don't know that I could fully identify with Lamaism in that way. Nevertheless, many of us- myself included- have tolerated sketchy behavior from so-called spiritual leaders.






I was just about to post another one when I saw your reply. I am utterly fascinated by Diamond Mountain. I don't think it's as clear cut as much of its media coverage would like us to believe. I also wonder what's happened to Lama Christie, having heard nothing in recent years.

My experience with long (Nyingma) retreats has been positive. They were mostly just sitting with very little dogma or teaching. OTOH I ultimately un-allied with the group I was part of precisely because I couldn't reconcile my basic horizontalist loyalties with the hierarchy.

So, here is a very extreme take on the "deprogrammed" Tibetan Buddhist (lite) truth-teller. I'm very familiar with several of the lineages mentioned on this site, and wholly disagree with their take. But it's a good example of one school of thought: Western Tibetan Buddhists: The American Manchurian Candidates. (See whole site beyond the linked article.) I am far more interested in how the Dorje Shugden "movement" (part of New Kadampa Tradition) has been mobilized by the Chinese / communist party to attack the Dalai Lama. Similar to their support for a disputed incarnation of the Karmapa. There are videos online of a gaggle of white British Dorje Shugden protesters (decked in Tibetan ritual garb) street-protesting outside a DL engagement in London. It's pretty revolting.
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Postby American Dream » Thu Dec 29, 2016 10:51 am

The issues around Tibet, China, the U.S. et al. are really fraught and it's often difficult to fully ascertain what kind of spin is being put on things. What would you say is the overall agenda of that first site, extibetanbuddhist.com?
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Postby American Dream » Thu Dec 29, 2016 10:53 am

Also, I would certainly consider attending a 10 day retreat at a relatively benign center. I'm just a bit leery about any tendencies towards group think that altered states can enhance.
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Postby liminalOyster » Thu Dec 29, 2016 11:13 am

American Dream » Thu Dec 29, 2016 3:51 pm wrote:What would you say is the overall agenda of that first site, extibetanbuddhist.com?


Hard to say. What do you think? I'm prone to attribute quite a bit of the ire to basic problems in how Tibetan Buddhist teachings translate into the West. For instance, Chogyam Trungpa was apparently quite taken with British culture (esp. the etiquette) and, when seeking a Western analogue for the Vajrayana Guru/Disciple relationship, decided that the monarch/king was the closest match. I think I understand why, at least rudimentarily. But there's quite a bit there for Americans in particular that would've been problematic. No doubt the author of that site was hurt, in some sense, by her experience with Tibetan Buddhism. But her site also seems to aspire to be an expose about hidden corruption and abuses of power which undermine those traditions altogether, which I don't trust. No doubt that teachers like Sogyal Rinpoche did some terrible things. But I do think there's also a legitimate cultural difference wherein some teachers took on consorts in the West in a fairly "innocent" way. I'm also quite suprised that her teacher seems to have been Tsoknyi Rinpoche, someone about whom I've only heard good things. He and his brothers who are also teachers, IIRC, have had very little scandal associated with their names.

I don't know. I have alot of criticisms of some of the same groups she targets but I see them more as trying too hard to honestly assimilate Capitalist ideology, rather than having a secret agenda. Also, on a different note, one line that jumps out at me is a place on her site where she tries to claim that Tantric Buddhism is really "just" Hinduism in disguise. This strikes me as a bit of a recapitulation of a sort of inter-sectarian scuffle between adherents of the different vehicles.
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