The “Alternative Right"

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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby dada » Sat Aug 27, 2016 10:42 am

I realize now that Clinton's recent speech wasn't directed at progressives, it was directed at conservatives. Guess I should've seen this before. Hindsight, and all that.

Progressives, from the far left to the Sanders crowd, to put it simply, don't factor into the political equation at this point.
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby Sounder » Sat Aug 27, 2016 11:12 am

Dada wrote...
I realize now that Clinton's recent speech wasn't directed at progressives, it was directed at conservatives. Guess I should've seen this before. Hindsight, and all that.


Now that you mention it, yes that makes sense.
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby American Dream » Sat Aug 27, 2016 4:11 pm

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Those on the Alt Right: Why We Hate Hillary Clinton, But Loved Her Speech

Yep, she said it.



Hillary’s speech from August 25th was rumored for days in advance, with the fact that she was addressing the Alt Right well known. This sent many in the press running to get this phenomenon figured out, while at the same time the Alt Righters were waiting to hit their moment of peak visibility. With their media savvy, their ability to dominate social media, and their focus on well-packaged talking points, it was quite possible that they were going to be able to set the conversation after Hillary spoke in vague platitudes.

Except this time Hillary was prepped well, and named the fascist. Her speech identified the Alt Right as one element of the racist right wing that is giving Donald Trump his surging popularity. She mentioned Twitter accounts like White Genocide, went after the KKK members that support Trump openly, and even lamented the ludicrous conspiracy theorizing of Alex Jones and Infowars. She took on Breitbart, reading aloud some of the more offensive recent article titles where they showed their hate for women, minorities, and LGBT people.

Hillary’s endgame here is simple: to scare you into voting for her. For our side of things, we recognize that both the Democratic Party and the Clinton campaign are representing the interests of capital. They made up a middle-ground of establishment financial politics, ones steeped in Neoconservative foreign policy, international commercial interests, and environmental ruin. Donald Trump shares this position in politics, and laughs about the deregulated markets he attempts to foist on an already drained working class. Together, they make up what we have always expected from American politics: the choice between members of the capitalist class.

As we listened to Hillary’s speech, we knew that she had scored herself a campaign point. She also scored one for us, just not the one she wants.

We will never support the Clinton campaign, or the campaign of any bourgeois politician (this includes Jill Stein). Instead we think that the power of the working class is in movements from the ground up, and in today’s climate that includes organized anti-fascism. What Hillary’s speech did was accurately describe the phenomenon(to a point), named some of the key players, and then tied them directly to their support of Donald Trump.

Over the last couple of weeks, and especially in the last two days, we have seen a number of major news outlets clamor to make sense of the Alt Right. Anti-Fascist News was founded just over a year ago specifically with the idea that we wanted to focus in on the Alt Right from an anti-fascist perspective. Some major media coverage of the Alt Right has been better than others, but many miss the key factors at play with this movement. The recent segments from Fox News painted the Alt Right as synonymous with Donald Trump’s working class white, Middle American base. This confuses the situation and lacks the key lineage that the Alt Right comes from.

Drawing on the racialist organizations of the past, the European neo-fascist organizations, the history of fascist philosophy and spirituality, and various interlocking “traditionalist” and “identitarian” movements, the Alt Right is the latest and most popular confederation of what we would clearly label as fascist. This word is thrown around a lot, often used to mean authoritarian or violent. Instead, the word means a political movement founded in inequality, elitism, “essential” identity such as race or gender, hierarchy, “traditional values,” and a romantic view of the past. While this has some common historical forms, it can creep up with a variety of different political structures and programs. National anarchists, radical traditionalists, the Dark Enlightenment, paleoconservatism, “race realism,” racial paganism, identitarianism, and many other self-important philosophies fit under this broader fascist ideological banner, and all of them make up the various wings of the Alt Right. Together they are founded on the idea that there are racial differences in intelligence and “criminality,” that Jews are secretly in control of the government and the media, that feminism is eroding the true structures of man, and that we need to return to the identity and authority of our ancestors.

While Breitbart, Milo, and Donald Trump may only be the “diet” version of the Alt Right, they are taking their most palatable points and putting them out into bite sizes morsels. The Alt Right has taken the key fascist ideas built over a century of violence and attempts at power and turned them into “fashy memes,” jokes told on 4chan and celebrated at My Posting Career.



In short: the Alt Right has made fascism tweetable. And we are here to shut them down.



With Hillary Clinton’s most recent campaign ad and the direction spoken of in her speech, she has simply helped to mainstream the anti-fascist messaging in the same way that Donald Trump added a loudspeaker to the Alt Right. That does not make her our ally, she never will be. Instead, her speech helped to make the Alt Right known as a racist caricature of itself; a violent movement of vile racism bent on attacking communities of color, putting women in their place, and locking up trans people. While places like the Radix Journal and the Daily Shoah were celebrating the attention, and Alt Right vloggers like Millenial Woes were using it as an opportunity to create a racially-charged promotional video, we get more out of this mention than they could ever hope to.

Now our task is to take her rhetoric much further, and to put the logic of it into practice. It is not enough to name a fascist on the Internet; we need movements capable of undermining them when they show up.



And they have.
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby American Dream » Sat Aug 27, 2016 7:02 pm

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There are a lot of really bad profiles of the Alt Right that are coming out in the days after Hilary Clinton's speech. We need to say unequivocally that these people simply don't get it. No, the Alt Right is not just provocative Edgelords. No, they are not just Twitter trolls(though that is part of it). No, they are not the fringes of the GOP.

What the Alt Right is is the new name for a confederation of fascist ideas, whose central tenants are racial nationalism, inequality, elitism, anti-democracy, and an essentialist view of gender and social stratification. They would not even deny this description. They have been around for years at this point, and have a long history with other white nationalist and fascist organizations and philosophers. So this is not just a new trendy phenomenon, but really just the latest stage in a neo-fascist movement that has had continuity since the Second World War. They resurrect the same myths about black inferiority, Jewish power, and feminist subversion that they always have, and just because now they use parenthesis around names and attack black comediennes doesn't mean that they are just a new brand of angry young men (though that is probably true too.).

The fact that news outlets cannot seem to get a handle on this owes to the fact that the reality of white nationalist organizing has never been taken seriously, and now we are paying the consequences for it.

This should also come as a huge shout out of thanks and gratitude to Antifa and anti-fascist organizers who have been confronting the Alt Right in the streets from the start. #altright #antifa


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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby dada » Sat Aug 27, 2016 10:23 pm

Now wait just a second, anti-fascist movement. Is now the time to get all preachy?

Everyone knew this fascist garbage has been brewing in the bowels of the Internet. So now journalists and politicians have put a spotlight on it. This means it's time to rally the troops? Try to recruit more anti-fascists from the ranks of our apathetic voyeur-consumer friends that just want to stay out of it, 'watch the drama' and post the smiley-eating-popcorn emoticon? And we're going to do this by making statements like we're the vanguard of the resistance?

Here's my lame story.

In my social circles, people know where I stand. When the gamergate fiasco was at its height, I worked overtime undermining fascist trolls in some videogame-fetishizing corners of the Internet. I had some experience dealing with that kind of organized attack, from my formative days in the liberal blogosphere, before I became the 'bad guy.' (for staying stubbornly anti-war after Obama was elected the first time)

I used to think the non-videogamer right decided to abandon that fight, pulling support from the game-trolls, as it was an unproductive front in their grand ideological struggle. Now I'm wondering if gamergate was an experiment. Like they were testing the waters, seeing how their hate network functions in a realtime scenario. Either way, the videogame trolls retreated back under their bridges after some time. Nothing really changed, though. Things went back to the sick, dysfunctional state that people consider 'normal.'

My watershed moment was when I publicly called out the 'leaders of the classic and retro videogame community' for not even making a simple statement about what was happening. The silence I met was deafening, and I became a social pariah in the 'videogame world.' I don't mind that, since I'm an adult. Kind of proud of it, in fact. But it was sad to see the way that played out. It's fine to fight for social issues, as long as you don't effectively challenge power. Don't rock the establishment boat.

It wasn't all bad, though. I did make a few allies for life. And some people agreed with me, but were afraid to speak up. A large part of their life is defined by the hobby, and they couldn't afford to have what happened to me, happen to them. I got into the games for a while when I lost a few people close to me. It was a temporary escape, and helped me process. So I didn't have as much to lose. Plus, I'm one of those people that can't keep their big mouth shut. Can't help it.

Anyway, I'm sure the videogame community realizes that Clinton's speech was about the same crowd that brought us gamergate. If I chime in now, it will just look like I'm saying "See? I told you so." That won't help. I think my best move at the moment is just to let this sink in. Then if anyone has a change of heart, sees the light, they can come to me.

This all sounds silly, doesn't it? Can't believe it even as I'm writing this. This is what the fight against fascism in videogameland looks like. I'm just an everyday person, dealing with everyday fascism. I'm no hero of the antifa, that's for sure. But maybe regular people can actually relate to what I'm saying.
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby Nordic » Sun Aug 28, 2016 1:12 am

I was just reading up, finally, on the definition of "alt right" so I could have a clue, and then saw where Paul
Wolfowitz is professing support for Hillary.

I realized we're having an election between a NEOconservative and a PALEOconservative.

It's Repub versus Repub.

Pretty apropo for 2016 USA.
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby 82_28 » Sun Aug 28, 2016 1:36 am

Your gaming story doesn't seem silly at all, dada. Thanks for sharing. I was one of the early adopters of Counter Strike. And I had great fun making people make fun of me with the paint tag feature. I'd go into the fight and would tag names like "Peter Jennings" and "Tom Brokaw" etc. It was really funny seeing the comments of "who the fuck is this guy"? Why the fuck are you Peter Jennings? And then I would just mostly hop around and quickly get shot.
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby American Dream » Sun Aug 28, 2016 9:40 am

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GOING FULL FASH: BREITBART MAINSTREAMS THE ‘ALT RIGHT’

APRIL 5, 2016

The radical right has always needed a stop over point on its way to middle American conservatism. For years, the Libertarian Party and its various “economic” projects were this, from the anti-tax movement of California to the mainstreaming of their ideas with the Tea Party. Libertarianism has headed into the Beltway as one of the last popular coherent philosophies for the new GOP, mired in mainstream liberal values mixed with cut-through capitalism. In this move to the mainstream it has shed much of its racialist and white nationalist connections, leaving the growing Alt Right looking for its new crossover point. They have found that friend in Brietbart.

Brietbart News began with the now-deceased perpetual yell of Andrew Breitbart, which brought a young and confrontational style to the Tea Party. From “exposing” Acorn with edited videos that took low-wage organizing workers’ statements out of context to asking for “video proof” that Congressmen John Lewis was called the N-word at a public Tea Party event, Breitbart, and its various web staples such as the embarrassing BigGovernment.com, has made a name for itself for standing to the right of Fox News and engaging in the kind of silly click-bait that allows it to compete in an angry Twitter-verse.

The Alt Right, meaning the newest incarnation of the “intellectual” and Internet-driven white nationalist movement, has needed some friends in the the world of Beltway Conservative Inc., and Breitbart has proven that it can act as the middle point between their lair and the Brooks Brothers and “fiscal conservatism” of D.C.’s Republican establishment.

This relationship has been cemented with Breitbart’s recent fawning feature, “An Establishment Conservative’s Guide to the Alt-Right.” The article begins by immediately drawing the comparison between the Alt Right’s role in conservatism to the role of Marxism to the contemporary left by saying “A specter is haunting the dinner parties, fundraisers and think-tanks of the Establishment: the specter of the ‘alternative right.;” The main thrust of the article is a large-scale defense of the Alt Right against allegations of racism, bigotry, and ideological violence. Their defense begins with the perceived intelligence of the Alt Right in comparison to the caricatures of Klansman, which says nothing of their ideological orientations. They go on to quote male-tribalist Jack Donovan, who one of the authors of the article, Milo Yiannopoulos, is friends with online. This is not surprising as Donovan is known for being a sort of “anti-gay gay author” whose basic ideology is that queer men should abandon the gay identity because it is associated with feminism, effeminacy, and leftist politics. Yiannopoulos, for his part, is publicly a gay man, which led to many of the reasons that the Alt Right had mixed reactions to this work (we will get into this later on).

This opening section mentions the ideological framework for the Alt Right as being diverse, and including Oswald Spengler, H.L. Mencken, Julius Evola, Sam Francis, and the French New Right, as well as having a relationship to the paleoconservative movement of the 1980s-90s. This is meant to insulate it from accusations of extreme racism supposedly, and he goes on to mention more modern incarnations of this ideological current such as Steve Sailer’s HBD blog, the anti-immigration web publication VDARE, and the current center of “race realism”: American Renaissance.

When you cut through their ironic abstractions, what they are indicating is class rather than ideology. They are noting that the Alt Right has a more middle-class and educated character, not that they do not hold the ideological foundations that have always driven neo-fascist movements. The assumption here is that skinheads and KKK members lack a strong ideological foundation, yet there has always been an intellectual side to the far-right. Oswald Spengler’s anti-Semitic racial nationalism has been key for decades, and Julius Evolahas become the defining far-right philosopher both for intellectual Pagan racists and for street-level skinheads. His work was key to the violent right-wing terrorism of people like Ordine Nuovo or contemporary Ultra movements in Rome, and his alleged “anti-fascism” only came from his view that fascism needed to move further to the right to install an aristocratic racialist society built on authority, hierarchy, and violence. The assumptions implicit in Breitbart’s article is that the criticisms of fascism today come from its association with “lone wolf” violence rather than the possibility of a violent political theology of enforce inequality, which misses a thorough understanding of the diversity and history of fascism since its interwar inception.

Milo does something useful in this place, however, in that he rightly identifies the more web-board intellectual Neoreactionary movement(NRx), the HBD networks, and the manosphere as part of this broad “Alt Right.” As much as these movements want to self-identify with their own “unique” ideology, especially the culture of Men’s Rights Activism and “game” blogs, they are a part of the anti-egalitarian Alt Right current that essentializes biology and roots for the oppressor.


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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby backtoiam » Sun Aug 28, 2016 2:28 pm

nordic said:

It's Repub versus Repub.


That is pretty much the way I see it. The only difference in my mind is that one of them is not a mass murderer 'yet' but he is talking about becoming one. He wants to bomb "ISIS" and take their oil, or so he says.
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby American Dream » Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:44 am

“What is the alt-right?” is the question that will launch a thousand explainers. To some, it’s a fringe (but increasingly legit) political movement welling up through the online cracks of a ruptured Republican Party like so much proverbial fracking discharge.

To others, it’s a way to name the tight if amorphous network of Internet trolls (long incubated in caves like 4chan, 8chan, and various Trump-smitten subReddits) that, having incinerated the very dumpster that once housed the dumpster fire of #gamergate, have since slouched toward politics and attached hungrily to The Donald’s nasty rhetorical teat.

And to others, it’s a wide-open virtual state fair for white nationalists/nihilists, misogynist “men’s rights” dweebs, proud flag-flying meme-flinging racists, and other varieties of aggrieved (presumably) white male Twitter eggs to go hog wild. (Right now, the #altrightmeans hashtag is home to a robust/futile effort from both sides of the divide to define it.)

Even Breitbart, the self-styled hive of high-minded alt-right drones (and the standing water that bred Trump’s new campaign CEO Stephen Bannon), struggles to square the circle in its “Establishment Conservative’s Guide to the Alt-Right,” which comes courtesy of alternate-reality “Project Runway” loser and recent Twitter evictee Milo Yiannopoulos.

Yiannopoulos and cohort Allum Bokhari break the alt-right phenomenon down into a shortlist of simpatico anti-establishment subsects — among them “intellectuals” (“They’re dangerously bright”) and “neoreactionaries” (search: #NRx), “natural conservatives” (who simply “value the greatest cultural expressions of their tribe”), and the stunningly euphemized “Meme Team” (“young rebels”/trolls with Photoshop, similarly drawn to the alt-right as boomers were to the New Left “because it promises fun, transgression, and a challenge to social norms they just don’t understand”). Sounds like a party! Just not the kind you put in charge of anything.

Oh, and last but certainly not least under the alt-right big top are the “1488rs,” a.k.a. neo-Nazi garbage people — a sect that, as it happens, many members of the movement (probably those “intellectuals”) “would rather . . . didn't exist.” What on earth could have attracted them to this rager in the first place, I wonder? How I wish I knew!

...There’s really nothing “alt” about the alt-right — its ideas aren’t particularly new, its methods are wholly self-defeating, and its battle against “PC culture” is really just a surrender to our basest biases and worst instincts.

Simply slap on an “alt-”, and suddenly your regressive caveman shamble contorts into something one could (apparently) mistake for a progressive stride; your anonymous horde of cellar-dwelling hate-clickers assumes the cachet of a fresh subculture; your repulsive tweets on Leslie Jones’s page feel like salvos of a revolution; your cowardice feels like courage; your agita like edge; your mob like a movement.


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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Mon Aug 29, 2016 12:01 pm

“What is the alt-right?” is the question that will launch a thousand explainers.


Are you planning on posting them all, AD, or just curating the good ones?
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby Elihu » Mon Aug 29, 2016 12:07 pm

please no
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby Elihu » Mon Aug 29, 2016 12:08 pm

oh shoot , two words
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby American Dream » Mon Aug 29, 2016 12:35 pm

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Daryle Lamont Jenkins on Rachel Maddow Show

August 27, 2016

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Thursday night, One People’s Project’s Daryle Lamont Jenkins appeared on the Rachel Maddow program on MSNBC to discuss the Hipster Nazis that have been pushed to the forefront of mainstream politics via the presidential campaign of Donald Trump. They don’t want you to call them White Supremacists though. We are sure they don’t want you to call them Hipster Nazis! No, they want you call them the “alternative right” or “alt-right”. Isn’t that cute?

Daryle Lamont Jenkins will also be appearing on Joy Reid’s MSNBC program Sunday at 10 AM.



Racist-right finds new prominence via Trump campaign

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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby Elihu » Mon Aug 29, 2016 12:42 pm

Now wait just a second, anti-fascist movement. Is now the time to get all preachy?
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