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[Penguin]

That cap is great in the winter. And its legal to use when biking, under the helmet, but illegal to use when demonstrating. Yup, they made covering ones face while in a public demo illegal some years back...

Cops, of course, always show up masked and in riot gear, riot or not.

So now you all know what I look like too
Thats very likely also the only pic of me on the public internets...

[Penguin]

Ahha, it was Puharich who had talked about Faraday cage improving psychic phenomena -

In all, some forty scientists were involved in these “world changing experiments”. Did this team of esteemed scientists find anything? Officially, the answer is no. Except… well, there always is something, isn’t there? Puharich had this to say: “When you’re inside [a Faraday cage], a psychic, for example, has their performance increased by a thousand fold. A Faraday cage shields you from the electromagnetic radio waves, allowing only extremely low frequency (E.L.F.) magnetic waves to get through. I don’t think there’s a psychic warfare research lab that doesn’t make use of them today.” This observation of the Faraday was supported by Mitchell. Mitchell also stated that “the brain waves of two individuals separated and isolated by a Faraday cage could be synchronised […] Somehow there seemed to be some sort of communication occurring between the two that we didn’t know was possible.” In short, this is proof positive of some new phenomenon, which in short proves the case that telepathy – to the extent that our thoughts can in some conditions be picked up by others – exists. Which really means the project did prove “something”… I think. Not? In fact, what is stated was this: once a brain is no longer bathed in electromagnetic radio waves, but isolate it from that “dirt”, the brain becomes “psychic”. That’s quite something, not?

http://www.philipcoppens.com/starconundrum_2.html

Hmm, maybe Ill make one myself...All youd need is a cage made of chicken wire, grounded to the central heating pipes...Ill need to look into this.
Has anyone of you made one?

Also, if this is true, then it is certainly likely that both wlan and cell radio emissions could hamper ESP abilities. Makes you wonder, no?

That was not the only trick. Another was an “ideascope”. Once again Puharich offers an explanation: “It’s an ordinary strobe light, but very high-powered. You look into this strobe light, a single point source, and you adjust the frequency of the strobe to your own alpha-waves. When that happens, instead of seeing one point, you suddenly see two. It splits. What it does is separate the two halves of the brain functionally. And, what you then see is two circles, one on each point. When you see two circles move together, they form a vesica-pisces. In other words, a fish-like figure with a dark and light space. We’ve tried this out on successful businessmen who never heard of E.S.P., tested them, and they scored greatly! After five or ten experiences, you’re ready for the next stage which involves a video tape with instructions that help you develop concentration levels that lead to out of body experiences at will.” Right. Techniques which can separate the mind from the body… in conditioned environments… which is officially “nothing important”?

Hee...Once we had a 500 watt strobe and a very small tiled bathroom. Of course we put the strobe in the bathroom, along with ourselves, and put it on. After getting wasted and strobed for a few hours, we forgot it on for so long that all the plastic parts melted...

http://www.bwgen.com/
http://gnaural.sourceforge.net/
http://www.noah.org/wiki/Dreamachine

[OP ED]

Ahha, it was Puharich who had talked about Faraday cage improving psychic phenomena -

In all, some forty scientists were involved in these “world changing experiments”. Did this team of esteemed scientists find anything? Officially, the answer is no. Except… well, there always is something, isn’t there? Puharich had this to say: “When you’re inside [a Faraday cage], a psychic, for example, has their performance increased by a thousand fold. A Faraday cage shields you from the electromagnetic radio waves, allowing only extremely low frequency (E.L.F.) magnetic waves to get through. I don’t think there’s a psychic warfare research lab that doesn’t make use of them today.” This observation of the Faraday was supported by Mitchell. Mitchell also stated that “the brain waves of two individuals separated and isolated by a Faraday cage could be synchronised […] Somehow there seemed to be some sort of communication occurring between the two that we didn’t know was possible.” In short, this is proof positive of some new phenomenon, which in short proves the case that telepathy – to the extent that our thoughts can in some conditions be picked up by others – exists. Which really means the project did prove “something”… I think. Not? In fact, what is stated was this: once a brain is no longer bathed in electromagnetic radio waves, but isolate it from that “dirt”, the brain becomes “psychic”. That’s quite something, not?

http://www.philipcoppens.com/starconundrum_2.html

Hmm, maybe Ill make one myself...All youd need is a cage made of chicken wire, grounded to the central heating pipes...Ill need to look into this.
Has anyone of you made one?

Indeed. I've made more than one. Also big ones. You can ground it to almost anything actually.

I've also built things that do almost exactly the opposite. This is very fertile ground, IMO, based on my own research and that which i've stolen from previous students.

Also, if this is true, then it is certainly likely that both wlan and cell radio emissions could hamper ESP abilities. Makes you wonder, no?

in my experience, the inverse is also true, that is, stronger ESP related phenomena seems to inhibit the functioning of especially cell radio emissions. cell phones do not work around activated psychics.

That was not the only trick. Another was an “ideascope”. Once again Puharich offers an explanation: “It’s an ordinary strobe light, but very high-powered. You look into this strobe light, a single point source, and you adjust the frequency of the strobe to your own alpha-waves. When that happens, instead of seeing one point, you suddenly see two. It splits. What it does is separate the two halves of the brain functionally. And, what you then see is two circles, one on each point. When you see two circles move together, they form a vesica-pisces. In other words, a fish-like figure with a dark and light space. We’ve tried this out on successful businessmen who never heard of E.S.P., tested them, and they scored greatly! After five or ten experiences, you’re ready for the next stage which involves a video tape with instructions that help you develop concentration levels that lead to out of body experiences at will.” Right. Techniques which can separate the mind from the body… in conditioned environments… which is officially “nothing important”?

Hee...Once we had a 500 watt strobe and a very small tiled bathroom. Of course we put the strobe in the bathroom, along with ourselves, and put it on. After getting wasted and strobed for a few hours, we forgot it on for so long that all the plastic parts melted...

http://www.bwgen.com/
http://gnaural.sourceforge.net/
http://www.noah.org/wiki/Dreamachine

there is an obvious synthesis of these two ideas which i've been working on for some time. ***

The Esoteric basis, rather than the physical ones alluded to above, has been, in fact, the non-subject of this thread to begin with. That is, the centrality in my religious philosophy of the need to learn to breakdown and buildup the split/dual-brain properties of our nervous system.

*** by which i mean an engineering transynthesis.

it is an hobby of mine.

[zhivkov]

I had always wondered if those dream machines worked -I had heard of Puahrich before -but apparently my memory is faulty again (most likely) or I had not heard everything about him-well at any rate I need to go way back in the thread and start where I left awhile ago-best to all of you!Z that is interesting about being able to wear the cap cept while demonstrating -I did not realize Finland had laws such as these-I do remember something about the Swedes voting for internet spying or the like-but I have never been so out of touch with the news as I have been the last month or so -perhaps I even have that wrong

[Penguin]

in my experience, the inverse is also true, that is, stronger ESP related phenomena seems to inhibit the functioning of especially cell radio emissions. cell phones do not work around activated psychics.

That would explain a couple freak occurrences..
Especially a bout I and a friend had with street lights, back around the time of that mindmeld I told you about - for some time after my friend remarked that lights go out when youre exactly below a lamp - and as he says this, the lamp were under goes out, only to go back on after weve passed it - then the next one goes out as we pass it, and then a couple more later... After this I had it happen maybe 20 times in a couple of weeks, every time I went out for a walk in the evening. Afterwards I found that there were people talking of this on the net too.

(thou I do know that one can easily start noticing things when one starts to pay attention to something, for some reason - that alone is enough to "convince" you something odd is happening, when actually is not - like if you get a new car, you suddenly start to notice all those other identical ccars you never paid attention to before.)

Hasnt happened at all in years after that.

I do have a feel for computers and electronics - I often sense it before they break down or malfunction. I suppose that is simply passive sensing of the EM fields emanating from them, and noticing when they suddenly change out of the normal.

On my strongest trip ever (DOB) I had to yank all the cables off the wall to shut down all electronics right before it started to reach the peak plateau.
That one was most interesting, I thought what I got was good ole acid. Wondered about the horribly bitter taste...And was in for a surprise.
First thing I started to hear that very low hum in my body, then it became audible also. Got stronger and stronger until my whole body was shaking to the vibrations. Then came the "quantum splitting" (just a pictorial description) - like being in a hall of mirrors, with yourself endlessly reflected in recursion...Then I started seeing all the people around the world who were working on tobacco farms, collecting tobacco to be dried with burning wood, and countless people rolling joints and smoking them, and then I blacked out.

To wake up 3 hours later, naked...And tripped at full intensity for the next 24 hours. At 30 hours, the visuals were finally gone.

[zhivkov]

Wow! I missed a lot! that was a delightful story about the 4 year olds sharing dreams penguin! so much great stuff on this thread-I so wish I had at least tried Salvia D when I had the chance -among other things! I love hearing about peoples trips -but it makes me sad I will likely never go on my own -but still very interesting! best to all of you-Z

[OP ED]

VIII

MY DEAR WORMWOOD,

So you "have great hopes that the patient's religious phase is dying away", have you? I always thought the Training College had gone to pieces since they put old Slubgob at the head of it, and now I am sure. Has no one ever told you about the law of Undulation?

Humans are amphibians—half spirit and half animal. (The Enemy's determination to produce such a revolting hybrid was one of the things that determined Our Father to withdraw his support from Him.) As spirits they belong to the eternal world, but as animals they inhabit time. This means that while their spirit can be directed to an eternal object, their bodies, passions, and imaginations are in continual change, for to be in time means to change. Their nearest approach to constancy, therefore, is undulation—the repeated return to a level from which they repeatedly fall back, a series of troughs and peaks. If you had watched your patient carefully you would have seen this undulation in every department of his life—his interest in his work, his affection for his friends, his physical appetites, all go up and down. As long as he lives on earth periods of emotional and bodily richness and liveliness will alternate with periods of numbness and poverty. The dryness and dulness through which your patient is now going are not, as you fondly suppose, your workmanship; they are merely a natural phenomenon which will do us no good unless you make a good use of it.

To decide what the best use of it is, you must ask what use the Enemy wants to make of it, and then do the opposite. Now it may surprise you to learn that in His efforts to get permanent possession of a soul, He relies on the troughs even more than on the peaks; some of His special favourites have gone through longer and deeper troughs than anyone else. The reason is this. To us a human is primarily food; our aim is the absorption of its will into ours, the increase of our own area of selfhood at its expense. But the obedience which the Enemy demands of men is quite a different thing. One must face the fact that all the talk about His love for men, and His service being perfect freedom, is not (as one would gladly believe) mere propaganda, but an appalling truth. He really does want to fill the universe with a lot of loathsome little replicas of Himself—creatures, whose life, on its miniature scale, will be qualitatively like His own, not because He has absorbed them but because their wills freely conform to His. We want cattle who can finally become food; He wants servants who can finally become sons. We want to suck in, He wants to give out. We are empty and would be filled; He is full and flows over. Our war aim is a world in which Our Father Below has drawn all other beings into himself: the Enemy wants a world full of beings united to Him but still distinct.

And that is where the troughs come in. You must have often wondered why the Enemy does not make more use of His power to be sensibly present to human souls in any degree He chooses and at any moment. But you now see that the Irresistible and the Indisputable are the two weapons which the very nature of His scheme forbids Him to use. Merely to over-ride a human will (as His felt presence in any but the faintest and most mitigated degree would certainly do) would be for Him useless. He cannot ravish. He can only woo. For His ignoble idea is to eat the cake and have it; the creatures are to be one with Him, but yet themselves; merely to cancel them, or assimilate them, will not serve. He is prepared to do a little overriding at the beginning. He will set them off with communications of His presence which, though faint, seem great to them, with emotional sweetness, and easy conquest over temptation. But He never allows this state of affairs to last long. Sooner or later He withdraws, if not in fact, at least from their conscious experience, all those supports and incentives. He leaves the creature to stand up on its own legs—to carry out from the will alone duties which have lost all relish. It is during such trough periods, much more than during the peak periods, that it is growing into the sort of creature He wants it to be. Hence the prayers offered in the state of dryness are those which please Him best. We can drag our patients along by continual tempting, because we design them only for the table, and the more their will is interfered with the better. He cannot "tempt" to virtue as we do to vice. He wants them to learn to walk and must therefore take away His hand; and if only the will to walk is really there He is pleased even with their stumbles. Do not be deceived, Wormwood. Our cause is never more in danger, than when a human, no longer desiring, but intending, to do our Enemy's will, looks round upon a universe from which every trace of Him seems to have vanished, and asks why he has been forsaken, and still obeys.

But of course the troughs afford opportunities to our side also. Next week I will give you some hints on how to exploit them.



Your affectionate uncle
SCREWTAPE

[C.S. Lewis]

[nathan28]

Hmm, maybe Ill make one myself...All youd need is a cage made of chicken wire, grounded to the central heating pipes...Ill need to look into this.
Has anyone of you made one?

Indeed. I've made more than one. Also big ones. You can ground it to almost anything actually...

there is an obvious synthesis of these two ideas which i've been working on for some time. ***

The Esoteric basis, rather than the physical ones alluded to above, has been, in fact, the non-subject of this thread to begin with. That is, the centrality in my religious philosophy of the need to learn to breakdown and buildup the split/dual-brain properties of our nervous system.

*** by which i mean an engineering transynthesis.

it is an hobby of mine.

Well, besides building a Faraday cage in my 400' sq. apartment (no central heat) and setting a strobelight outside of it, what's the practical injunction, i.e., what can one do? And is that really a divergence from the effects of say, kundalini yoga, or vipassana, or liber samekh?

[Penguin]

There are a plethora of ways to reach any effect desired.
The choice is only about personal choice, preferences, character -
what works for you (in my - hopefully humble - opinion)
What practical value? It depends.
Why do I want to know? Why am I curious? Why do I seek so?
What is it that I seek?

Two days ago I noticed Im running out of hay for my bunnies. I got as far as thinking that I need a friend with a car to get to a farmstead where I obtain hay, hemp seed, eggs and other essentials. Not an hour passes from this thought when this old friend of mine writes to me in a chat that he has a car in use for one week, and would I care to go to one place with him, in the general direction of the farmstead, of course
So we do. Hes that sarana guy, of course. I think that connection has never really gone away since...

We had a great talk on the way there, OP ED - and you just whammed me with that post of yours - we just happened to talk about the spiritual/animal reality of being human. About the very same issues weve been talking of here. I dont know what the hell Id do without friends like that. Ones you can count on, and trust them with your life if need be.

Ill be back later.
Love you all,
Pengu

[nathan28]

There are a plethora of ways to reach any effect desired.
The choice is only about personal choice, preferences, character -
what works for you (in my - hopefully humble - opinion)
What practical value? It depends.
Why do I want to know? Why am I curious? Why do I seek so?
What is it that I seek?

I know--I just want to know OP ED's technique, partly because it sounds like it involves the possibility of electrocution, and danger = awesome. I mean I could build a home eeg machine: OpenEEG, or I could just sit on a cushion. etc.

[Penguin]

Heehee...Sometimes Im soooo thick that Im embarrassed. Hope you dont mind.

Yeah, tell us more!

Thou I dont wanna be electrocuted. Its not the funniest way to go.
Just take care to not have any bad wiring...
And check the thing youre gonna gorund it to for any current. If you live in a flat building, some neighbour may always have screwed up some wiring - like punch a nail partially thru a wire, that is also touching the pipes. Ive seen a situation like this - a mate complained he gets shocks from the heating elements...I checked with a volt meter - 230 volts AC.
Major hazard...

It should have burned the fuse of course, but didnt, since the nail had just slightly pierced the wiring - not enough current to blow the fuse, but probably enough to stop the heart if it had passed from arm to arm thru the heart.

[Penguin]

Oh wow, I had such a nice dream that I felt good from the moment I woke up...

In the dream I was in a shop with my brother. While were at the cashiers, little baby chicklets, all yellow, puffy and squeaking, start to jump out of my brothers pockets. They jump on the floor and scamper around everywhere happily, while my bro smiles and shouts Oh noo, hey man help me catch them before they all get lost!

And then I kneel on the floor trying to scoop up the little soft ones, very carefully, and they feel so small and soft and furry and fun as they peck my fingers with their tiny beaks...And put them back in my brothers pockets, and my own...

Not a precog dream I think

[nathan28]

Oh wow, I had such a nice dream that I felt good from the moment I woke up...

In the dream I was in a shop with my brother. While were at the cashiers, little baby chicklets, all yellow, puffy and squeaking, start to jump out of my brothers pockets. They jump on the floor and scamper around everywhere happily, while my bro smiles and shouts Oh noo, hey man help me catch them before they all get lost!

And then I kneel on the floor trying to scoop up the little soft ones, very carefully, and they feel so small and soft and furry and fun as they peck my fingers with their tiny beaks...And put them back in my brothers pockets, and my own...

Not a precog dream I think

all dreams are -coged, karma is both very simple and very complicated and runs forwards and backwards

Where is OP ED? Come on, I want to hear about his psychotronics

[Perelandra]

So now you all know what I look like too

Very cute!

What a nice dream. I had one recently that made me smile. I was hanging out with a bunch of assorted people from my past in a crazy house. What was cool was that everyone was attired in all sorts of beautifully colored clothing, oranges, purples, blues and they were all engaged in creative pursuits.

Man, this thread has been moving fast. Penguin, I intended to drop you a line about garlic after your post about yummy food. I grow my own garlic and herbs (of course) and am going to plant some horseradish. I love that burn too.
In case you're interested, garlic is the easiest thing in the world to grow and can be done in containers, as can the others I mentioned, if you don't have much space.
(Gardening is subversive.)

[Penguin]

I should start planting my next summers stuff soon...So they are large enough when spring arrives.

Im gonna put my balcony full of stuff..Last summer I had tomatoes, herbs and chilies there. Tomato was put too late, and I got just a few red ones, and that after I kept in inside for a couple more weeks, by the window. And I think Ill get a large flat container to be put on the floor of the balcony, where I can put soil and plant some grass, so I can let the rabbits eat and dig there.

I think garlic might be nice too. Couple years ago I got a large batch a friend grew, and they were very tasty. Id like to have a little bit of my own yard, but presently its impossible since I live in a flat building.

Theres a community garden nearby, but we cant get a plot from there since its been designated to be built soon, so they dont give out new plots anymore...The other nearest one is a few kilometers further away. I think Ill consider applying for a place anyway, there you could grow enough stuff to last a little while.

When I was a kid, my grandparents had a large yard, with almost 100 bushes of different berries (red/white/blackcurrants, strawberries and raspberries, apple trees) as well as carrots, potatoes and other assorted greens. My folks have just apple trees now, used to have plums as well but they were too old and had rot, so they were felled. As well as cherries.
A few friends have apple trees, last fall I picked maybe 6 large bags of them, made pies, jam and ate part fresh (rabbits also love apples).

The absolutely best thing in my country is the Everymans Right. It means that in woodland areas, everyone has the right to walk, bicycle and ski there (no motor vehicles!) - just not in anyones yard or planted fields in the summer - in the winter you can ski on fields too. You are also allowed to move by row boat on all lakes and rivers, and you are allowed to fish with hook and line in your own municipality for free, and everywhere with a (cheap) permit. You can also pick shrooms and berries in any forest except conservation areas - landowners have no say in this. You are not allowed to fell trees or pick branches, or otherwise damage the trees. Hunting needs a permit from the landowner, and is only allowed at certain times of the year.

In theory you also need to ask permission to camp, but on state lands this is rarely done. There are also lots of designated fire places in most recreationally used areas, and its usually not thought bad form to camp without permit for one night. You are not allowed to make a fire without permission, or during fire hazards of course, but you can use a gas or alcohol burner.

This exists in similar form in Sweden and Norway too. Its due to long traditional shared use, and is highly esteemed among people.