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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Jan 24, 2017 12:56 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:34 am wrote:
American Dream » Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:03 pm wrote:I think a very right wing person who sometimes poses as a philosopher here and who constantly denies their reactionary allegiances, has been going off about things they don't really know or understand.


Some lessons, we never learn. Well, most lessons really. See you in February.

Edit: If youse guys are gonna accuse someone, please at least muster the courage to do it outright. Shit like this just makes my soul hurt.


is this outright enough?


Your propaganda does not pass the smell test SLAD.


Shit like this just makes my soul hurt

Sounder » Thu Dec 15, 2016 7:45 pm wrote:Hey I know what to do; the rules need to be changed so only American Dream and Seemslikeamericandream can post articles, then the site can renamed Rigorous Indoctrination.

So let me get this straight; we have here butt ignorant western exceptionalist supporters of imperialism that want to give more weapons to fundamentalist Muslims to destabilize a secular nation, while these same jihadis carry values and habits that we (progressives) claim to abhor.

Oh right, right, right, Nazis bad, jihadis good, I get it.




Your propaganda does not pass the smell test SLAD.
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby liminalOyster » Tue Jan 24, 2017 12:59 pm

JackRiddler » Tue Jan 24, 2017 5:43 pm wrote: He's been pretty open about the exterminationism. Having read some of that rhetoric and seen that video, I would not have punched him, but would have felt an urge to do so, sure. And I understand those who celebrate it. Obviously he's infinitely worse than the puncher.


No doubt he's filth. I don't begrudge (or judge) the puncher. But Spencer gains some real currency from it - he actually looks like a victim, I assume, to his bevy of alt-right man-children whereas "our" side gains very precious little and potentially loses at least a bit.

I was wondering this week to what degree Mcinness's whole schtick has been driven by some sort of wounding experienced in his exile from Vice and Shane Smith et al's rise to a modest bit of journalistic integrity (against the odds, though it may be...)
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Tue Jan 24, 2017 1:02 pm

Sure, Sounder is gone until February, too. Keep lining them up.
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Tue Jan 24, 2017 6:25 pm

As expected, UW story continues to take lurching turns:
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-new ... -shooting/

The man who told police he shot and wounded another man during a violent demonstration over the appearance of Milo Yiannopoulos at the University of Washington sent a social-media message to the Breitbart News editor just an hour before the shooting.

“Hey Milo,” the 29-year-old former UW student posted to Yiannopoulos’ Facebook page at 7:24 p.m. “im outside in line to your UW event.

“I got sucker punched (he was a bit limp wristed) and someone jacked my #MAGA hat,” he said, referring to the ubiquitous red and white “Make America Great Again” caps worn by supporters of President Trump.

“Anyway for me to get a replacement signed by you?” the man asked

Yiannopoulos did not respond, and the man went on to be caught up in a raucous confrontation between those trying to get inside the UW’s Kane Hall to see Yiannopoulos and protesters trying to keep them out.

Sometime just before 8:30 p.m., the man — who at this point was wearing a yellow hat — was involved in a scuffle with several people, and he allegedly shot and wounded the other man.

The man and his wife surrendered to UW police several hours later, claiming he fired in self-defense, according to law-enforcement officials. He was questioned and released. The Seattle Times is not naming the man because he has not been charged with a crime.


A law-enforcement source familiar with the UW police investigation said detectives obtained a search warrant for the man’s car and Sunday recovered a handgun from the trunk.

The man’s Facebook page indicates he is a supporter of Trump, Yiannopoulos and the National Rifle Association.

Efforts to reach the man Monday were unsuccessful. The man’s wife, reached by telephone Monday, said she would not comment.

UW Police Major Steve Rittereiser declined Monday to discuss details of the investigation, saying the department’s five-member detective team was working with Seattle police and the King County Prosecuting Attorney’s Office.

He said the work included interviewing witnesses and studying videos of the incident supplied to investigators. Seattle police have offered technical expertise to study the video, he said.

Samie Frites, a nursing assistant who said he had gone to the protest “to make sure nobody got hurt,” said he saw a man pull “something out of his coat and started firing these little projectiles into the crowd.”

The law-enforcement source said it was pepper spray.

“I yelled at him to stop,” Frites said. “That’s when this other guy came out of the crowd and went after him.”

Frites said he grabbed him to try to prevent a confrontation. That’s when Frites said he heard a “muffled noise,” which he is now sure was the gunshot.

“The guy I was holding looked back at me over his shoulder. He looked bad. He was really scared,” said Frites, who said he lowered the wounded man to the ground.

The shooting victim’s condition improved to satisfactory and he was moved out of the intensive-care unit Monday night at Harborview Medical Center.

Several sources have identified the victim as Josh Dukes, 34, a Seattle computer-security engineer and a member of the Industrial Workers of the World (IWW) General Defense Committee, which describes itself as an “anti-racist and anti-fascist organization.”

His Seattle attorney, Sarah Lippek, confirmed his identity, although she said Dukes was concerned about his name being made public “as the risk of harassment and threats is very real, and my client needs time to rest and recover from his injuries.” Lippek said Dukes planned to issue a public statement at a later date.

Lippek said Dukes attended the event “in order to resist Mr. Yiannopoulos’ message through principled protest.”

“He is aware that there are many conflicting narratives circulating about what occurred that night,” Lippek said in a statement released Monday evening. “My client wishes to express his empathy for the person who shot him. He hopes to engage in constructive dialogue with that person, in order to de-escalate and provide a community-based response to this violence.”

The IWW has created a Crowdwise social-media funding page to raise money for his hospital expenses. So far, it has raised more than $42,000.

Dukes was an early opponent to the appearance of Yiannopoulos at the UW and worked to organize a resistance among a number of groups, including the IWW and the Capitol Hill Neighborhood Action Coalition, where he posted a link to a document outlining how anti-Yiannopoulos forces had rallied against the Breitbart editor at other colleges where he has appeared.

Yiannopoulos’ visit to the UW campus was highly anticipated, and there were rumors that protesters would try to shut down the speech by the senior editor at Breitbart News, which has been denounced by many as a platform for hate. Yiannopoulos has been permanently banned from Twitter for racism and misogyny.
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby JackRiddler » Tue Jan 24, 2017 6:50 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Tue Jan 24, 2017 12:02 pm wrote:Sure, Sounder is gone until February, too. Keep lining them up.


Wait, really? When did this happen?

And just when Sounder would have rushed to correct himself, and apologize for his premature, reflexive lying and general slander against weak-biceped "leftys" and the man who was shot, and... I guess he also slandered the shooter, right? Like, a Friend of Milo would be insulted if identified as a "lefty" -- and even worse, one who can't shoot straight! I guess he was a straight shooter after all. And out of jail, too. Amazing. How did that happen? I'm dumbfounded.

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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:11 pm

tiny bella ☭
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RICHARD SPENCER GOT PUNCHED AGAIN #PunchANazi


(((Will Greenwald))) ‏@AggroWill 14h14 hours ago

@babycommie666 The first time I assumed it was because he's a Neo-Nazi. Now I'm wondering if it's also his awful haircut. BEGS for fist.


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He isn't a Nazi and he has lovely hair
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby semper occultus » Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:24 pm

..an alternative right hook by the look of it...the previous one seemed a bit more of an elbow charge though...not queensbury rules I have to say... :confused
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Jan 26, 2017 3:29 pm

alternative right hook :)


Anti-Fascists Will Fight Trump’s Fascism in the Streets
In stark contrast with many liberals, antifa activists refuse any dialogue with Trumpism.
By Natasha LennardJANUARY 19, 2017

Anti-Racist Action protesting neo-Nazis holding anti-immigration rally in Smith County, Texas. (AP Photo / Tyler Morning Telegraph, Tom Turner)

To call Trumpism fascist is to suggest that it demands from us a unique response. We can deploy the “fascism” moniker to Trump’s ascendance by recognizing features like selective populism, nationalism, racism, traditionalism, the deployment of Newspeak and disregard for reasoned debate. The reason we should use the term is because, taken together, these aspects of Trumpism are not well combated or contained by standard liberal appeals to reason. It is constitutive of its fascism that it demands a different sort of opposition.

Liberals cling to institutions: They begged to no avail for faithless electors, they see “evisceration” in a friendly late-night talk-show debate, they put faith in investigations and justice with regards to Russian interference and business conflicts of interest. They grasp at hypotheticals about who could have won, were things not as they in fact are. For political subjects so tied to the mythos of Reason, it is liberals who now seem deranged. Meanwhile, it is the radical left—so often tarred as irrational—who are calling upon both US and European histories of anti-fascist action to offer practical and serious responses in this political moment. For all the ink spilled about rising fascism, too little has been said about anti-fascism.

Anti-fascist, or antifa, doesn’t only delineate that which opposes fascism. It is a set of tactics and practices that have developed since the early 20th century (and the rise of fascism in Italy) as a confrontational response to fascist groups, rooted in militant left-wing and anarchist politics. As organizers from anti-fascist research and news site Antifa NYC told The Nation: “Antifa combines radical left-wing and anarchist politics, revulsion at racists, sexists, homophobes, anti-Semites, and Islamophobes, with the international anti-fascist culture of taking the streets and physically confronting the brownshirts of white supremacy, whoever they may be.” As with fascisms, not all anti-fascisms are the same, but the essential feature is that anti-fascism does not tolerate fascism; it would give it no platform for debate.

The history of anti-fascism in 20th-century Europe is largely one of fighting squads, like the international militant brigades fighting Franco in Spain, the Red Front Fighters’ League in Germany who were fighting Nazis since the party’s formation in the 1920s, the print workers who fought ultra-nationalists in Austria, and the 43 Group in England fighting Oswald Mosley’s British Union of Fascists. In every iteration these mobilizations entailed physical combat. The failure of early-20th-century fighters to keep fascist regimes at bay speaks more to the paucity of numbers than the problem of their direct confrontational tactics.

A more recent history of antifa in both Europe and the United States illustrates the success these tactics can have, particularly when it comes to expunging violent racist forces from our neighborhoods and defending vulnerable communities, while also creating networks of support that do not rely on structurally racist law enforcement for protection against racists. Anti-fascist tactics focused primarily around physical force proved effective in forcing neo-Nazi groups out of entire neighborhoods in Europe and the United States in the 1980s. Back then, as longtime organizer and member of the Industrial Workers’ World General Defense Committee (GDC) Kieran Knutson told The Nation, fascist and anti-fascist formations grew out of youth subculture scenes. Taking on and largely defeating neo-Nazi gangs, multi-racial crews of anti-racist skinheads and punks coalesced and grew into semi-formal Anti-Racist Action (ARA) chapters nationwide. “At its peak, in an era without cell phones or internet, ARA had over 100 chapters across the US and Canada,” explained Knutson, adding that students, older leftists, feminists and more joined efforts to counter a broader group of racist organizations, from the white power music scene to KKK rallies. The network faded in the 2000s, drifting in part to the anti-globalization movement, but as Knutson “the several thousand veterans of this movement are still out there—many still involved politically in anti-racist, feminist, queer, labor, education and artistic projects.”

The need for this sort of community and street resistance will not be contingent on Trump carrying out repressive policies—the emboldening of far right racists is a fait accompli. At the end of November, the Southern Poverty Law Center released a report documenting nearly 900 separate incidents of bias and violence against immigrants, Latinos, African Americans, women, LGBT people, Muslims and Jews in the ten days that followed Trump’s win.

Physical confrontation is just a small aspect of antifa direct action, but the history of anti-fascist, anti-racist action is not one of so-called allies standing in polite disapproval or donning safety pins. “Fascism is imbued with violence and secures itself politically through the use or threat of it, so it is inevitable that anti-fascists have to countenance some involvement in violence themselves,” wrote M.Testa, author of Militant Anti-Fascism: A Hundred Years of Resistance.

The ability to “countenance” some involvement with violence is itself a privilege that so many people of color and LBGTQ individuals in this country cannot enjoy—violence is not countenanced but systematically thrust upon them. The question of whether the counter-violence should be a tool of resistance in the Trump era will no doubt cleave some anti-Trump unities currently breaching the liberal center, the left, and far left. Those of us who long before Trump have defended counter-violence against oppression—as in Ferguson, as in Baltimore, as in Watts, as in counter-riots against the Klu Klux Klan, as in slave revolts—know where we stand. The number of people willing to engage with explicitly anti-fascist organizing and rhetoric has certainly increased with Trump’s rise, “As an empirical measure, our Twitter followers have almost quadrupled from the beginning of this year,” organizers for NYC Antifa told me via e-mail, “new groups are popping up everywhere, and we are fielding requests from all over the country about how to get involved.” Whether this means a significant number of people are willing to engage in anti-fascist physical confrontation in Trump’s America remains to be seen.

“We don’t think it’s useful to rehash the same old [violence versus non-violence] arguments,” NYC Antifa noted. “If Trump tries to register Muslims and engage in mass deportations, a Change.org petition is not going to stop it.” (Indeed, mass deportations and the mass surveillance of Muslims under the Obama administration would not have ended with a petition either.)

But the old canard of violent versus non-violent protest is already finding a new locus in debates around whether or not to give the racist far right a platform. When neo-Nazi Richard Spencer at his National Policy Institute held their annual conference in DC last November, anti-fascist activists exposed the event, its attendees, and where its members were dining, and attempted to not only protest but disrupt and shut down the conference, as well as Spencer’s dinner plans (succeeding, at least, in dousing the white nationalist in “a foul smelling liquid’). News and monitoring sites like NYC Antifa, Anti-fascist News and It’s Going Down have been reporting on the NPI, exposing their members and their conferences since before Trump’s candidacy. “Now that Steve Bannon, who has positioned himself as a champion of the alt-right, is heading to the White House, the NPI’s seig-heiling and fashion sense is a trending topic covered by most major media outlets,” NYC Antifa noted, “Yet, for the most part, all these journalists do is reproduce Spencer’s sentiments, which he frames in liberal rhetoric to gain appeal, and feign outrage. Our approach is to expose and confront them.”

The forms of physical force that served against neo-Nazis in the street in the 1980s are harder to deploy against the contemporary suit clad neo-Nazi holding a conference with professional security details, or a position in the White House. It will be an uphill battle to beat the alt-right in the dromological battlefield of social media resonance. For one, fascism lends itself to meme form, as fascist form itself purports to give a simple solution to a complex problem; memes aren’t inherently fascist, of course, but their reductive format is well-suited to fascist content. Leftists have reductive phrases and catchphrases, too, and no one would diminish the popularity of Birdie Sanders. But weaponizing meme form is, I believe, easier for a political project that itself takes the form of reduction and over-simplification.

The antifa task, I believe, is not to make better memes, but to expose the fascists behind the Pepe avatars, reveal their connections, and chase them away. Committed neo-Nazis deserve no more privacy than they deserve public platforms, or safety, even though antifa groups have been known to grant second chances. “We’ve had success with this tactic, and have gotten people to leave groups who did not want to be publicly shamed,” the NYC Antifa organizers told The Nation. “One guy’s boss was Jewish and he didn’t want it known he was working with Holocaust deniers. We took him off our website after he promised to leave the group he was in. We believe second chances are important—our goal is to get people to leave racist and fascist movements.”

The alt-right might not seek us in the streets, and might trounce us in trolling, but disruption, confrontation, doxxing and altercation remain tactics anyone taking seriously a refusal to normalize Trump-era fascism should consider. Liberals who reject such a strategy in defense of the right to free of speech and assembly engage in an historical NIMBYism, in which only in the past, or in other countries, has militancy against white supremacy been a legitimate resistance. They forget, too, that while the First Amendment ensures that the government will not interfere with free speech, this has no bearing on neo-fascists having the right to be heard or countenanced by the rest of us. For the radical left, no such bad thought takes hold, because militant tactics against white supremacy never stopped being necessary—in the fight against slavery, Jim Crow, red-lining, and mass incarceration—with or without explicit white nationalists in center political stage.

As a recent statement from Antifa NYC noted, “Before the election, collectives in different cities were organizing in support of people dealing with exploitative bosses and slumlords, With larger participation, these networks could become increasingly viable in a post-Trump world.” Founded by a cadre of activists in New York who grew close during Occupy in 2011, anarchist community space, The Base, opened three years ago as a hub for autonomous organizing around prisoner solidarity, offering support for local residents facing abuse and coercion from landlords, reading groups, self-defense trainings, and more. Following Trump’s victory, the number of people joining their projects has skyrocketed.

Eight months ago, a number of organizers from The Base launched the Rapid Response Network, which aims to establish neighborhood groups, connected via a hotline, that can provide safety, first aid, and assistance in the event of Immigration and Customs Enforcement raids on undocumented individuals, as well as a physical presence and defense from in the event of racist street attacks. Such networks have been a staple of anti-fascist, militant anti-racist organizing—deployed by anti-state groups from the Black Panthers to the Anti-Racist Action skinheads battling an upsurge in neo-Nazi gang violence in the 1980s. “When we held our first training meeting, 15 people turned up. Since the election that number has quadrupled. Two hundred people have expressed interest on Facebook for the next session. We’ve had to find a bigger venue and add sessions” a Rapid Response Network organizer and founder who goes by Layla told The Nation. (It is common for anarchist and antifa groups, eschewing individualism and facing harassment from active neo-Nazi groups to refuse to give full names to the press; I’m respecting that here).

Alongside efforts like the Rapid Response Network, which focuses on neighborhood defense, activist collectives are working with interfaith groups and churches in cities around the country to create a New Sanctuary Movement, continuing and expanding a 40-year-old practice of providing spaces for refugees and immigrants, which entails outright refusal to cooperate with ICE. Anti-fascist mobilizations are forming voluntary networks like Community Action Team NYC (CATNYC) which are willing to travel to different neighborhoods and physically confront the rising tide of racist violence and harassment.

Since networks like RRN and CAT are still in their developmental stages, Trump’s inauguration is an opportunity—with regards to spectacle—to set the tone of resistance to come. On January 21, the day after the inauguration, an expected 200,000 people are expected to march in DC in the “Women’s March,” which, according to original organizers is “not a protest” but an effort to “send a bold message to our new administration on their first day in office, and to the world that women’s rights are human rights,” which they (wrongly) suggest “transcend politics.” It will be a show of solidarity and togetherness, a presence far better than an absence. A policy platform released by march organizers last week offers a progressive and strong message of intersectional feminism. However, a procession of hundreds of thousands of people moving through barricaded streets carrying props and banners can be easily forgotten and ignored—the most historically large marches in recent history have failed to pass muster in history making beyond their size alone. When the status quo is not threatened, its upholders tend not to listen. We rallied in our peaceful millions against the Iraq War, too. The Women’s March nevertheless promises to bring thousands of people together—at worst a liberal parade, at best a jumping of point for the necessary work of local organizing to begin. If it is not a site of protest, I hope it will still be a place of politicization.

Meanwhile on January 20, the call for the actual inauguration day is unequivocal protest. More than 50 anarchist, anti-fascist, anti-racist groups from across the country have called for a #J20 Disruption. “We call on all people of good conscience to join in disrupting the ceremonies. If Trump is to be inaugurated at all, let it happen behind closed doors, showing the true face of the security state Trump will preside over,” the announcement reads, “We must take to the streets and protest, blockade, disrupt, intervene, sit in, walk out, rise up, and make more noise and good trouble than the establishment can bear. The parade must be stopped. We must delegitimize Trump and all he represents.” One member of the “D.C. counter-inaugural welcoming committee” commented anonymously that housing space for 1,000 visiting radicals, in both church halls and houses, had been organized by their group alone. New York anarchists are raising funds to rent whole buses to attend. And, as historic anti-fascist mass protest dictates, there are plans for a large black bloc—a spectacle both intentionally threatening and anonymizing. The expectation of altercation with Trump supporters who will also descend on DC is high.

The different approaches to the Inauguration suggest a cleaving in responses to Trump along well worn liberal, liberal-left and radical-left fault lines when the need to build political alliances is urgent. The decision to join the Women’s March or Disrupt #J20 should not be a benchmark for division. This line instead should only be drawn when someone, in professed name of democracy, would sooner condemn or even imprison anti-fascist, anti-racist actors before they would see a ceremony affirming and buoying fascism meet with interference.
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby JackRiddler » Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:45 pm

White supremacist mass shooting murders at least six at Quebec mosque.

Striking: first arrest on the scene was of a bystander, a Morroccan man. FOXNEWS was on the job instantly, announcing that he was yelling "Allahu Akhbar" while shooting the victims during evening prayer. I'm sure this Big Lie will continue circulating in the online provinces of the Alt-Right and in any case has already been taken as first and final word by many who will never think of it again except to bring it up as a vague example of Muslim terrorists in Canada six months or six years hence. Job done.

Standard operating procedure! Perhaps sort of like how Sounder "knew" and insisted on no evidence that the protestor against Milo in Seattle must have been shot by another protester? That's just smug echoing behavior by someone seeking his confirmation bias, I suppose. But the way the instant story of "Allahu Akhbar" came out here is systematic and witting until proven otherwise, I submit, and very normal.

Alexandre Bissonnette was later arrested without resistance as the gunman, and charged with six counts of murder.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/worl ... oting.html

Mr. Bissonnette had a history of provocative views and antisocial behavior, according to a report in the Quebec newspaper La Presse. The newspaper quoted François Deschamps, an official with a refugee advocacy organization, as saying that Mr. Bissonette had make harassing comments against members of an online chat room.

The organization, Bienvenue aux Refugiés, said in a Facebook post that Mr. Bissonnette had made remarks critical of feminists and foreigners, and that he had expressed sympathies online with the National Front, the far-right political party in France.

The article quoted classmates of Mr. Bissonette as saying that he had been bullied and taunted at school, and was known for making insulting and offensive remarks.

The authorities initially said that there were two suspects, but Quebec’s provincial police agency said on Monday that only one man was a suspect and that another man — arrested at the mosque on Sunday evening and identified as Mohamed Belkhadir — was only a witness. Mr. Belkhadir was released on Monday, as the authorities searched a house in the Cap-Rouge section of Quebec, where Mr. Bissonnette lived.

“For the moment, nothing indicates to us that there was anybody else involved,” said Chief Inspector André Goulet of Quebec’s provincial police agency.

Speaking after the news conference, which was also attended by several politicians, leaders of the mosque said that the suspect was not known to them.

But they said the shooting had followed acts of harassment and bigotry that had led the mosque to install eight surveillance cameras. The acts ranged from hate mail to swastikas painted on its doors to a pig’s head left in front of the mosque last June.



White supremacist shoots up a mosque on Trump Day 9? Too easy! Surely the original arrest was not a mistake, or there were two shooters... The "crisis actor" scenarios will arrive shortly.

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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby Elvis » Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:51 pm

JackRiddler » Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:45 pm wrote:White supremacist mass shooting murders at least six at Quebec mosque.

Striking: first arrest on the scene was of a bystander, a Morroccan man. FOXNEWS was on the job instantly, announcing that he was yelling "Allahu Akhbar" while shooting the victims during evening prayer. I'm sure this Big Lie will continue circulating in the online provinces of the Alt-Right and in any case has already been taken as first and final word by many who will never think of it again except to bring it up as a vague example of Muslim terrorists in Canada six months or six years hence. Job done.


Striking indeed; did FOX give the source of the "Allahu Akhbar" tidbit?
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Postby JackRiddler » Mon Jan 30, 2017 11:08 pm

It's been scrubbed but I remember the source was "reports say."

The "Moroccan shooter" is still on their twitter:
https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/8261 ... 04/photo/1

Apparently the falsely identified man is not Moroccan, was not arrested, and was the one who placed the 911 call.

I tried "allahu akbar" on google news and there were a half-dozen usual suspects still with an uncorrected story.

Greenwald on how this shit is still circulating in the sewers of the extreme right-wing.

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/30/sus ... tionalist/

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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby Elvis » Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:03 am

I wonder if it was the same Reports Say that told the FOX Noise producer in Iraq about Saddam's credit card shredding machine (for which there was not a 'shred' of evidence). I'd like to see a poll of how many Americans still believe it.
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby Searcher08 » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:30 am

Elvis » Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:03 am wrote:I wonder if it was the same Reports Say that told the FOX Noise producer in Iraq about Saddam's credit card shredding machine (for which there was not a 'shred' of evidence). I'd like to see a poll of how many Americans still believe it.


One case that I remember was the whole "Al Qaeda were in Iraq plotting with Saddam". IIRC there was a large percentage of the US Army who thought this was true, and that they were effectively going to Baghdad to avenge 9/11. Ahmed Chalabi, the originator of this, was a very smart conman and financial fraudster.... strangely with a Ph.D in mathematical knot theory from the University of Chicago).
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby brekin » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:33 pm

Cross posting from here: http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/ ... 78#p629778
Zizek on whether it is ok to hit a nazi.
If I knew all mysteries and all knowledge, and have not charity, I am nothing. St. Paul
I hang onto my prejudices, they are the testicles of my mind. Eric Hoffer
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby Morty » Tue Jan 31, 2017 6:46 pm

I think you'd have to ask Zizek "Is it okay to punch Nazis?" 5 times on 5 different occasions to get a complete picture of the reasoning behind his answer. World is full of tangents.

I was relatively uncomfortable watching footage of Spencer being hit. My initial reaction was "it's never okay to king hit someone on the street, including that guy," but after hearing about some of his positions (I hadn't really heard of him before this), and his outspokenness, I came to the conclusion that on this one occasion it may not be such a bad thing. Give people who think the USA rightfully belongs to whites something to think about. But, reading a post Consul made elsewhere:
The Consul » Tue Jan 31, 2017 5:09 pm wrote:There is very disturbing stuff on Twitter, Facebook etc., where a tangent of militantly radicalized white males fantasize openly about killing liberals. They are deeply desirous of intensified white-on-white crime because then it will be that much easier to begin exterminating the "people who don't belong here". In Trump they sense that this is possible and they are just waiting for the Right Sign.

I deeply sense a tipping point is coming.


This is why it's probably not such a smart idea to punch Nazis in the head. They've got more bruisable egos than average, are more likely to harbour a grudge, and are far more likely to use any available means to settle a grudge.
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