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Postby Perelandra » Sat May 16, 2009 2:38 pm

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“The past is never dead. It's not even past.” - William Faulkner
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Postby OP ED » Sun May 17, 2009 5:31 pm

everything tends towards disorder.

[storms]

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if i had just a little more sense and a lot more energy, i'd probably be afraid by now.

i have no idea what i am going to do.

[what else is new...]


bridgewaters.
oh well.

ashes and dust.


...


TOOL --- The Patient

A groan of tedium escapes me, startling the fearful.
Is this a test?
It has to be. Otherwise I can't go on.
Draining patience. drain vitality.
this paranoid, paralyzed vampire act's a little old.

But I'm still right here, giving blood and keeping faith. And I'm still right here.
But I'm still right here, giving blood and keeping faith. And I'm still right here.

I'm gonna wait it out

If there were no rewards to reap,
no loving embrace to see me through this tedious path I've chosen here,
I certainly would've walked away by now.

I'm gonna wait it out

If there were no desire to heal
The damaged and broken met along this tedious path I've chosen here,
I certainly would've walked away by now.

I still may. And I still may.
Be patient.

I must keep reminding myself of this...

If there were no rewards to reap,
no loving embrace to see me through this tedious path I've chosen here,
I certainly would've walked away by now.
And I still may. And I still may. And I still may.

I'm gonna wait it out.
I'm gonna wait it out.
Gonna wait it out.
Gonna wait it out.
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Postby barracuda » Tue May 19, 2009 12:20 am

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The most dangerous traps are the ones you set for yourself. - Phillip Marlowe
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Postby OP ED » Tue May 19, 2009 12:57 am

[explanation for non-alchemists -- OP ED's note]

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http://www.alchemylab.com/melancholia.htm

We now come to the central theme of Durer's "Melencolia." The alchemist's lot was such that he was often depicted as a melancholy and frustrated being, as, for example, by Chaucer, Weiditz, Brueghel, and Teniers. In a wider sense, melancholy was held to be an attribute of students or seekers after knowledge. The doctrine of melancholy, moreover, is inseparable from the Saturnine mysticism that permeates alchemy. This association, which was widely recognized in the early sixteenth century, finds many reflections in Durer's masterpiece. One of the elements of Saturnine mysticism is measurement, typified by the compasses, balance, and hour-glass.

The polyhedron lying beside the foot of the ladder (representing the base metal, lead) may be an image of the Philosopher's Stone, or more immediately, of the so-called "Stone of Saturn", which Saturn (or Kronos), "swallowed and spewed up instead of Jupiter." Saturn, who is often represented in alchemy as an old man with an hour-glass upon his head, was addicted to swallowing his own children; for this reason, infants, usually shown at play, enter into the Saturnine elements of alchemy. [the magic square under the bell is Jupiter's --- OP ED's note]

It is frequently stated in the esoteric writings on alchemy that once the primitive materials of the Stone have been obtained, the rest of the operations of the Great Work are only a labor fit for women or "child's play." This ludus puerorum (child's play) motive often comes to the surface in sixteenth century art, as, for example, in the work of Durer's contemporary, Cranach. The infants may be linked on the one hand with the alchemical idea of regeneration, and on the other with the mythological story of Saturn and thus with the idea of melancholy.

For example, all three of Cranach's representations of Melancholy show infants at play. In the first (1528), four infants are romping with a dog, a sphere and compasses being shown in the background; in the second (1532), two of three infants are trying to lever forward a large sphere, the third has a hoop, and there is a dog in the background; in the third (1533), fifteen infant boys are shown at play, most of whom some are dancing and two are playing on the flute and drum. There are also other examples in alchemy suggesting the use of music as an antidote to melancholy. Furthermore, one of the paintings of Splendor Solis (1582) shows ten infant boys at play, and the accompanying bath provides still another link with the Saturnine mysticism, which was often associated with moisture or wetness. Thus Saturn, in the guise of a crippled or wooden-legged man with a watering-pot, is sometimes shown watering the Sun Tree and Moon Tree of the alchemists. The crippled Saturn symbolizes the slow and melancholy planet, Saturn, and the dull and heavy metal, lead, with which the planet was associated in alchemy. Again, the "labor fit for women" is frequently brought out in alchemical pictures of washerwomen engaged in their humid operations. From this point of view it is interesting that Durer's design has a watery background.

The sphere and hoop associated with Cranach's infants are suggestive also of change and regeneration. They may perhaps be linked with that still older symbol of ancient Egypt, the Ouroboros, the serpent biting its own tail, signifying eternity. Other alchemical conceptions closely bound up with the sphere and hoop, and the grindstone upon which Durer's infant is sitting, are those of the Philosopher's Egg or Vase of Hermes, and the circulation within it of the materials of the Great Work. The bulging purse at the foot of Durer's main figure may also be likened to the purse into which one of three winged infants is dropping coins, in the celebrated alchemical interior of the artist Terriers; in the same painting a large soap-bubble hovering in the air is reminiscent of the sphere in the compositions of Durer and Cranach. The rolling sphere, hoop, or grindstone may also be connected with the famous second precept of the Emerald Tablet: "What is Below is like that which is Above; and what is Above is like that which is Below, to accomplish the miracles of One Thing.

Durer's brooding figure, posed in an attitude of dejection and frustration, with a sad, leaden, downward cast, may be interpreted as an embodiment of the alchemical searcher after the ephemeral Stone -- or, in a wider sense, as the seeker after wisdom -- in a mood of temporary defeat. The atmosphere of lassitude and gloom is intensified by the tolling bell, the quiescent infant, and the lean and passive hound. Despite the opening keys and the light-giving lamp, "knowledge comes, but wisdom lingers." Yet, "we fail to rise, are baffled to fight better." In the distance, dispelling the black bat, night, shines the sun over the Saturnine Sea and if, like the Saturnine symbols of alchemy, the winged genius of Melencolia broods with darkened face.



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and one more from Tool, because it is a good place to put it and it was on the radio just a few minutes ago.
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TOOL --- The Grudge

Wear your grudge like a crown of negativity.
Calculate what we will or will not tolerate.
Desperate to control all and everything.
Unable to forgive your scarlet lettermen.
Clutch it like a cornerstone. Otherwise it all comes down.
Justify denials and grip it to the lonesome end.
Clutch it like a cornerstone. Otherwise it all comes down.
Terrified of being wrong. Ultimatum prison cell.

Saturn ascends, choose one or ten. Hang on or be humbled again.

Clutch it like a cornerstone. Otherwise it all comes down.
Justify denials and grip it to the lonesome end.
Saturn ascends, comes round again.
Saturn ascends, the one, the ten. Ignorant to the damage done.

Wear your grudge like a crown of negativity.
Calculate what you will or will not tolerate.
Desperate to control all and everything.
Unable to forgive your scarlet lettermen.

Wear the grudge like a crown. Desperate to control.
Unable to forgive. And we're sinking deeper.

Defining, confining, sinking deeper. Controlling, defining, and we're sinking deeper.

Saturn comes back around to show you everything
Let's you choose what you will not see and then
Drags you down like a stone or lifts you up again
Spits you out like a child, light and innocent.

Saturn comes back around. Lifts you up like a child or
Drags you down like a stone to
Consume you till you choose to let this go.
Choose to let this go.

Give away the stone. Let the oceans take and transmutate this cold and fated anchor.
Give away the stone. Let the waters kiss and transmutate these leaden grudges into gold.

Let go.
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Postby barracuda » Tue May 19, 2009 1:42 am

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In that vein, here is Hieronymous Bosch's Christ Mocked (The Crowning With Thorns) in which the four humours are personified in allegory to demonstrate that the transformation of Christ from man to god required the full four forces of the universe. Clockwise, from upper left, Choleric, Sanguine, Melancholic and Phlematic. This image is awash with wonderful symbolism, but note especially the lewd masturbatory geture of the Phlematic as he strokes his staff and attempts to fondle Christ's genitals. His staff and that of the Sanguine representative cross off-canvas near the heart of Melancholy to form a hidden crucifix.
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Postby OP ED » Tue May 19, 2009 2:40 am

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
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Postby nathan28 » Wed May 20, 2009 7:00 am

you forgot to mention the dead black sun orbiting out past saturn
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Postby OP ED » Wed May 20, 2009 2:08 pm

i'd just assumed everyone already knew about that one.

somewhere in the orbit of Uranus.
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Postby OP ED » Sat May 23, 2009 4:59 pm

no?
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