PARDON ME, BUT WHAT THE #$%&! IS THIS: "CIVILIAN RE

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PARDON ME, BUT WHAT THE #$%&! IS THIS: "CIVILIAN RESERVE CORPS"???

23 January 2007

As bland as custard as the presi's state of the union addy was, both of us were caught off guard here in the Disclosure office by this:

"A second task we can take on together is to design and establish a volunteer Civilian Reserve Corps. Such a corps would function much like our military reserve. It would ease the burden on the Armed Forces by allowing us to hire civilians with critical skills to serve on missions abroad when America needs them. And it would give people across America who do not wear the uniform a chance to serve in the defining struggle of our time."

Our friends at the Belleville News Democrat have very kindly and conveniently posted Mr. Shrub's lengthy less-than-vanilla speech, as well as Mr. Webb's kick-ya-in-the-butt rebuttal, here:

http://www.belleville.com/mld/belleville/16529599.htm

and here:

http://www.belleville.com/mld/belleville/16529096.htm

respectively, but neither Jack nor I can quite fathom what Shrub is talking about with a 'Civilian Reserve Corps.' I haven't had time to research it yet, but to me it sounds like either something A) real close to a draft or B) someone willing to pay my computer-savvy and fluent-in-three-languages, bachelor's-degree-eligible-in-less-than-three-years kid to do the military's "critical skills" that we should be paying our military better than we are to do.

I know that's a mouthful, but what I'm saying is that this just gives me pause; this almost sounds like we're dissing our military men and women and our reservists somehow. What IS a 'Civilian Reserve Corps'? Anyone?

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/fo ... read=98481
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/fo ... read=97359

CCC CAMPS ... WORKER CIVILIAN LABOR FORCE OF THE 1930s?


23 January 2007

In Response To: PARDON ME, BUT WHAT THE #$%&! IS THIS: "CIVILIAN RESERVE CORPS"???

I am wondering if President Bush's reference in tonight's address when he said:

*** "A second task we can take on together is to design and establish a volunteer Civilian Reserve Corps. Such a corps would function much like our military reserve. It would ease the burden on the Armed Forces by allowing us to hire civilians with critical skills to serve on missions abroad when America needs them. And it would give people across America who do not wear the uniform a chance to serve in the defining struggle of our time."

could possibly have been a reference to implementing something like the CCC labor camps of the 1930s. My grandfather used to mentioned these labor camps when I was a girl. The CCC was run by the Army. And, I think these laborers may have received lower wages than the military personnel of that day.

There were hundreds of camps set up around the country to enlist the work efforts of people 'after the great depression.' The men living in these camps were provided food and minimal lodging after a hard days work. And, the man telling his story (in the article linked below) said he was allowed to keep $5 a month, and he had to send the other $10 home to his family.

The 'Civilian Conservation Corps' was designed and implemented by Franklin D. Roosevelt as part of the New Deal.

I am not saying this is what President Bush has in mind for the American people, however, the term ...'Civilian Reserve Corps' sounds very similar to the worker labor program of the 1930s.


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CCC, Civilian Conservation Corps

Written by Bill Ganzel of the Ganzel Group.

It's ironic that the first "C" in the CCC refers to the "Civilian" Conservation Corps because the program was actually run by the U.S. Army. The CCC was a public works program that put more than three million young men and adults to work building roads and trails in parks, building conservation dams, building campgrounds, planting trees, draining swamps, replanting grazing land, renovating historic buildings and stringing telephone lines.

At most camps, the days were long and hard. But in the evening, there was time for games, education classes, and even plays and variety shows put on by the enrollees. Most of those who adjusted to the military discipline re-enlisted when their six months was up. The men could stay in the CCC up to two years.

By 1941 when it was disbanded, the CCC had employed almost 3.5 million men. Some estimates are that they planted 2.5 billion trees, protected 40 million acres of farmland from erosion, drained 248,000 acres of swamp land, replanted almost a million acres of grazing land, built 125,000 miles of roads, fought fires, and created 800 state parks and 52,000 acres of campgrounds. But the biggest legacy of the CCC may have been the hope it provided both the young men and their families.

read article here:

http://www.livinghistoryfarm.org/farmin ... ter_12.htm

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The truth should be disclosed before the election. The coverup of coming recalls must end.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... _id=124370

STAY THE COURSE MEANS A RETURN TO THE DRAFT - SECRET GUARD PLAN!

There can no longer be doubt in anyone's mind. If the Republicans keep the House and Senate and Bush "Stays the Course", there is not only a secret plan to drain the last drop of blood from the Guard and the Reserves, from the WaPo:

The Washington Post has now reported that planning that is now classified, being kept secret from voters and military families until the election is over, could well include what the Post calls a policy change forcing a new wave of involuntary call ups.

With violence and chaos escalating in Iraq, with Iraqi police infiltrated by murderous pro-Iranian militia, with more than 20% of the Iraqi army on leave at any given time, the fact is: American troops are doing even more of the work that Iraqis should do and more will be sent to Iraq unless the policy changes.

http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/contributors/529

...you should know the apparatus has already been put in place to reinstate the draft--and all

that is needed is passage of a 1-page Trigger Resolution. No new draft law is needed!

Even if the GOP loses, Bush still has 6 weeks to pass a mere 1-Page Trigger Resolution with the lame-duck Congress.

Stay the Course means Re-instating the Draft. Last month, not only were 105 troops killed in Iraq, there were over 850 wounded. We're up to a thousand soldiers being taken off the battlefield as casualties every month. That's 12,000 casualties a year right there.

Bushco, even with the 80,000 recruited for the Army this year by raising the age and lowering the standards, has burned through the IRR, 100,000 mercenaries, the National Guard and the Reserves. The Marines and the Army do not have the equipment nor the manpower to field more than what we have in Iraq and Afghanistan right now.

Not only are we about to lose Iraq, we've already lost most of it and most of Afghanistan as well. If Bush doesn't want to look like the biggest loser in US history by the end of next year, he needs at least 250,000 to 400,000 US troops in Iraq, and 20,000 in Afghanistan.

The only way Bush can get those kind of numbers, or even keep the troop level in Iraq at 145,000, is to reinstate the draft.

Stay the Course means Re-instating the Draft. There is no longer any doubt.

Iran could be used as an excuse--but I think Bush could just go to the lame-duck Congress and say the "generals told me we need the draft, so I need this 1-page Trigger Resolution passed tonight."

Passage of that little piece of paper would activate the Selective Service System and draft lotteries would be held for the Combat Draft (male only, 20 year-olds first, then 21-year olds, up to 25), the Medical Draft (male/female ANY medical job or specialty, NO DEFERMENTS, Age 20-44) and the Skills Draft (hundreds of thousands to be drafted in

MOS list of several hundred occupations, age 18-34, MALE OR FEMALE, NO DEFERMENTS). Everyone under 45 (Medical Draft) or 35 (Skills Draft) would have to register at the Post Office within 30 days on their occupation or be in violation of Selective Service Law.

Here is a PDF of a secret Skills Draft Memo.

http://blatanttruth.org/selective_service091304.pdf

Although Congress would have to approve new legislation to create a Skills Draft or reinstate the combat draft, Family Circle reported in its July 13 issue that Karl Rove has polled GOP members of Congress in September 2002 to see if they would support the President if he requests reinstatement. The Republicans said they would vote for the draft.

In addition, the SSS itself has said that it is “designing procedures” (Seattle PI, May 1, 2004) to implement the skills draft, meaning designing the compliance cards and the data fields needed to keep track of “virtually every young American” and their skills. Acting Director of the SSS Brodsky has also said the Skills Draft is the “top priority” of the Selective Service for 2004. The Issue Paper options include:

- Allow a non-combat draft for shortages in critical skills, without calling a combat draft.

- Fill labor shortages of all kinds throughout not only DoD but the Dept. of Homeland

Security and other agencies, especially high-paying professionals like computer networking specialist or linguist.

- Create a single-point, all-inclusive database, in which every young person would be forced to send in a “self-declaration” of all of their critical skills, chosen from a long list of occupations like the Armed Forces Specialty Code. The usual penalties of imprisonment and/or a $250,000 fine would apply to all non-registrants.

In the secret planning meeting document, the next steps strongly recommended by SSS

Acting Director Brodsky were:

1. “Promptly” redefine the SSS Mission to draft men and women up to age 34 for skills, and deliver them within 90 days or sooner to the Department of Defense. Program a massive database to be ready to enter millions of names of those registering their critical skills.

2. Expand mission to deliver personnel in skills draft to the Department of Homeland Security and other agencies, including FEMA, NSC, Border Patrol, INS, Customs, Corporation for National Service, Public Health Service and other agencies.

3. Form interagency task force to provide Administration with recommendation on this skills draft for the entire government.

4. Obtain White House Statement of Administration Policy on the future of the SSS.

5. Be prepared to market the skills draft, raising the non-combat age to 34 and the drafting of women to the Armed Services and Appropriations Committee.

All of this agenda has already been carried out and they have a Skills Draft Compliance Card all ready to be printed. In additon they have updated and beefed up the Alternative Service system for Concientious Objectors.

Selective Service is ready to rock your world!

If you thought Bush has been bad so far, he might just be getting started...

TELL EVERYONE YOU SEE ABOUT THESE FACTS. PUSH HAS FINALLY COME TO SHOVE.
L - hope you are wrong! But the truth is the

Army is devastated by the endless rotations to Iraq.

---This is way different than '04

We're on 4th Deployments, there are no more mercenaries to hire (too dangerous), the Guard and Reserve are decimated, the Marines are really hurting, and the recruitment of 80,000 this year burned up the backlog of older, less qualified men and women. That backlog WON'T BE THERE IN 2007 TO RECRUIT.

Bush now is truly scraping the bottom of the barrel just as full scale civil war and the breakdown of the Iraqi police is about to occur.

--- Logic Dictates This Scenario Is Possible.....

... it does not take a genius to read the tea leaves that you cannot keep redeploying soldiers on 3rd and 4th rotations, raid the National Guard and Reserves, raise the enlistment age to 42, call up non-soldiers who have been out of touch with the military for years as part of the IRR, to realize that a Draft is in the works.

If Repubs in a lame duck Congress were to pass this for Bush, there will be a heavy price to pay when Dems regain the majority and reverse this action.

THere is one consistent message the people are communicating at polls this year, they do not support more troops being sent to Iraq