The Finders - Sources

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Re: The Finders - Sources

Postby drstrangelove » Tue Aug 15, 2023 11:17 am

A month after The Finders were busted in Feb 1987 a child trafficking ring in Belgium using UNICEF HQ as a child porn studio busted as well. They'd had a whole system setup on the UNICEF computers. Was international in scope. First arrests were made in March 1987, follow up arrest of UNICEF head in Belgium then in June which is when story broke into news. Maybe connection.

CHILD SEX SCANDAL ROILS UNICEF UNIT
The head of the United Nations Children's Fund in Belgium resigned today after the disclosure of a child pornography case linked to the Belgian branch of the organization.

A spokesman at Unicef headquarters in Geneva said the head of the organization's Belgian committee, Gilbert Jaeger, had resigned ''to show how angry he is about what has happened in his organization.''

In a statement issued in Geneva, Unicef said it is ''deeply shocked'' by the scandal, which has led to 14 arrests in Belgium and others in Switzerland, France and Britain.

Unicef said it was investigating charges that the Belgian committee was linked to an organization producing pornographic photographs of children and distributing them throughout Europe.

Unicef's mission is to help and protect the world's children. Like many other United Nations bodies, it has independent volunteer committees in all Western industrial countries to raise money for its activities - in Unicef's case, largely through the sale of holiday greeting cards. 'The First to Suffer'

The Unicef statement noted that the organization spent $400 million last year on projects promoting the health, nutrition and education of children in developing countries. It is currently drafting an international convention for the protection of children's rights, to be submitted later this year to the General Assembly in New York.

''The first to suffer from the discredit which would unjustly fall on this organization as a result of this affair would evidently be the children of the third world,'' Unicef warned in the statement.

The scandal erupted last week, when the Belgian police arrested Jos Verbeek, 63 years old, the director of Unicef's Belgian committee, and charged him with inciting minors to debauchery.

The arrest followed the discovery of a secret photographic studio in the basement of the Brussels building where the committee's offices are housed. The studio was used to take pornographic photographs of children, many of whom were of North African origin, the police said. #1,000 Photos Seized The police said more than 1,000 such photographs were seized, along with a mailing list of some 400 names in 15 European countries that had been prepared on the Unicef office computer.

Similar photographs found in several other European countries appear to have been taken in the Unicef office in Brussels, according to investigators.

Among those arrested was another Unicef employee, Michel Felu, 45, who the police say organized evening computer classes for children in the organization's offices. These children were then sometimes made to pose for pornographic photographs, the police said.

- https://www.nytimes.com/1987/06/25/worl ... -unit.html
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Re: The Finders - Sources

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Tue Aug 15, 2023 2:28 pm

I'd never heard of this CRICS group and there are zero results for it on Google. This is from The Kansas City Times, Thursday, June 25, 1987, but it's a reprint of an NYT story. ("I'm at the newspapers. I'm at the dot com. I'm at the combination newspapers dot com.")

According to police investigators, the ring operating out of Brussels was closely linked to an organization called the Center for Research and Information on Childhood and Sexuality."

That group, which has branches in Switzerland, France, the Netherlands and possibly other European countries, was originally set up to help pedophilic men deal with their difficulties.
But Belgian investigators say it appears to have become a conduit for pornographic children's pictures and possibly for child prostitutes.


"Deal with their difficulties" might be some of the most wild euphemistic I've seen in print, even by NYT standards. Also, hardly a stunner that setting up resources for predators just leads to attracting a bunch of predators. Johns Hopkins is currently doing the exact same thing in the name of public health. PLEASE NOTE: clicking that link will put you a watchlist or two, so caveat amica & inimicus alike.
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Re: The Finders - Sources

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Re: The Finders - Sources

Postby drstrangelove » Wed Aug 16, 2023 1:00 am

Why not ignore everything to do with the FBI and CIA and simply start with what the children say.

A girl from the van tells florida investigators

“____ said they would go to peoples houses and babysit. She stated that this was fun because they got to eat what was there, and do what those people wanted them to. She would not elaborate.”
- Florida Offense report 87-3990, 02/08/87, p. 132 fbi 1of4. -


“During this process ____ saw the van registration on this investigator’s pad. she stated that the address which the van was registered to was ‘the warehouse’. She stated that they would go there sometimes.”
- Florida Offense report 87-3990, 02/08/87, p. 134 fbi 1of4 -


The girl has been to the warehouse and has been sent to houses to 'babysit' which involves doing 'what those people wanted them to'.

MPD and Customs raid the warehouse. Customs reports this.

“Further inspection of the premises disclosed numerous files relating to activities of the organization in different parts of the world. Locations I observed are as follows: London, Germany, the Bahamas, Japan, Hong Kong, Malaysia, Africa, Costa Rica, and "Europe." There was also a file identified as "Palestinian." Other files were identified by member name or "project" name. The projects appearing to be operated for commercial purposes under front names for the Finders. There was one file entitled "Pentagon Break-In," and others referring to members operating in foreign countries. Not observed by me but related by an MPD officer were intelligence files on private families not related to the Finders. The process undertaken appears to be have been a systematic response to local newspaper advertisements for babysitters, tutors, etc. A member of the Finders would respond and gather as much information as possible about the habits, identity, occupation, etc., of the family. The use to which this information was to be put is still unknown. There was also a large amount of data collected on various child care organizations.”


Summarizing these findings as -

“On Thursday, February 5, 1987, Senior Special Agent Harrold and I assisted the Washington D.C. Metropolitan Police Department (MPD) with two search warrants involving the possible sexual exploitation of children. During the course of the search warrants, numerous documents were discovered which appeared to be concerned with international trafficking in children, high tech transfer to the United Kingdom, and international transfer of currency.”


Then MPD reports this.

“At Approximately 1530 hrs, 2/18/87, Det_____ spoke with S/A ______ reference any contact the members of the Finders may have had with the Agency, S/A ______ was guarded but frank in his responses. He confirmed that _________ Isabells, now deceased, was an employee of the agency from 1950 until 1971. When asked if our investigation was ‘treading on anyone’s toes out there’, ____ replied ‘sort of’. . He acknowledged that they have had someone working on the case since it first broke on the news media. He also stated that the agency is aware that during the period 1969-1971 __________ traveled to Moscow. North Korea. and North Vietnam. ________________ S/A _____ Stated that he would contact Det_______ on 2/19/87 to arrange to come to this office for further discussion. As of 1430hrs, 2/19/87, he has not contacted this office.

As a practical matter, what is not being said is as important as what S/A ____ has said. ____ acknowledged that we are treading on their toes and that they have had someone working on the case since Feb 5 when it broke. They apparently have a vested interest in ___ and/or group. They have not contacted any of the investigating agencies while they have been working on the case. They are also aware that ________ traveled to prohibited countries during a period of hostilities that could only have been arranged by them. Finally, he stated that _________________________. This could explain a lot about the groups funding, which we have been unable to document to this point. ____________________________________________. Did not know that the person he turned the information over to in Europe was a source of this office and is not aware that the Source brought the Disc back to this office. _____ actually transferred the disc in London. Det______ then turned the Disc over to WFO(?)/FBI, Counter Intelligence office for analyzation. We have not been apprised of the results of that alaysis[sic], nor do we expect to be.

Regardless of what type operation they may be engaged in, there will be no justification for the way the children have been treated, and the matter will be addressed in Family Division, Superior Court.”
- Metropolitan Police Department Investigation Report, 2/19/87, fbi1of4 p.67


Then the FBI get involved and red herrings get sprinkled, the CIA connection is sexy, but all this can be ignored.

There is simply a warehouse in Washington D.C providing child 'babysitters' to families in diplomatic/bureaucratic communities. And a few years later the following report is made

“On October 22, 1991, the undersigned received a telephone notification from Officer _____ 5th District Uniform, midnight section, home telephone number _____________(PROTECT)
Officer ___ advised that he and two footman, Officers _______________ have observed activity which they believe is suspicious in nature.
The officers have observed numerous well dressed males, who operate rental cars and expensive luxury type models, enter the building located at _______________ at late and early morning hours. The subjects and their vehicles do not ‘fit’ the area in which this building is locate, namely the market area of N.E.
On at least one occasion, the officers have observed adult males with a young male child enter the building. This occurred after the midnight section had reported for duty on the street.
On another occasion, Officer ____ stopped a van after it was observed leaving the building in the early morning hours. The van displayed tags which were not listed to a van. The operator identified himself as _______________ He told Officer _______ that he did research ‘stuff’. He also stated that he baby sat children for diplomats. Officer _____ advised the undersigned that the building and the neighborhood is not fit for baby sitting activity, especially after midnight. The subject’s story was very suspicious to Officer _______.
The van is listed to __________________ white male _______________ The vehicle is described as a _____________________________.
Officer __________ advised that to the best of his recollection, this building is the same building which was raided by the police approximately __ years ago for some type of child pornography.
Metropolitan Police Department Investigation Report, 10/22/91 fbi2of4 p.147


As i remember the CRIES/UNICEF ring in Belgium had involved diplomatic families in Brussels. Which was busted in March, one month later.

I'll have to figure out how to convert the FBI docs to allow keyword search.
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Re: The Finders - Sources

Postby drstrangelove » Thu Aug 17, 2023 9:34 pm

List of names and addresses was found in pockets of The Finders men transporting 6 children through Florida. Searches on these names returned matches on members of both NAMBLA and John Norman's Odyssey Foundation.

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p.101 of fbi4of4 https://vault.fbi.gov/the-finders/the-f ... of-04/view

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p. 133 of fbi4of4 https://vault.fbi.gov/the-finders/the-f ... of-04/view
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So it's now, men found in Florida with 6 children and list of names and addresses of known child traffickers.
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Re: The Finders - Sources

Postby drstrangelove » Fri Aug 18, 2023 1:56 am

Wombaticus Rex » Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:28 pm wrote:I've always been struck by that detail about the threatening phone call, and wondered if it was an insider tip:

Threats Force Move TALLAHASSEE, Fla., Feb. 7 (AP) - The six children were moved from a shelter after officials there received telephone calls threatening to the children, the police said today. The children were moved to a site that was undisclosed and were being protected by armed guards after a half-dozen threats were telephoned Friday night to a temporary shelter in Tallahassee, according to a police spokesman, Scott Hunt. Mr. Hunt said the Finders cult might have been accustomed to selling or smuggling the children of its members out of the country.


However, in light of what has been emerging: now I wonder if The Finders had access to PROMIS.

Has anyone seen a transcript of the computer BBS messages that go intercepted thanks to that bizarre phone booth find?


page 151-160, fbi 4of4.pdf
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