The “Alternative Right"

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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby slomo » Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:19 pm

Wombaticus Rex » 30 Nov 2015 12:46 wrote:
backtoiam » Mon Nov 30, 2015 3:18 pm wrote:I bet black people would rather have their own schools back than live in a situation so desperate that they are now killing each other by the dozens every week in an effort to survive.


I bet "black people" is not a sufficiently homogeneous category to generalize about in terms of anything, except perhaps skin color.

If I've learned anything in life, it's that it is impossible to make any generalization based on skin color or even 1000 Genomes population codes (other than maybe risks for a handful of diseases).
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby backtoiam » Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:20 pm

Ianeye you know I don't want to go back to Jim Crow. Come on man. I'm just saying that these days, in this day and time, I would not want the "left" fighting for my rights because they are accomplishing what is often blamed on the "right." The game has changed. A few decades ago the left did actually create some positive social change for minorities but those days are over. Everybody is in the same basket now and will be thrashed accordingly no matter what color they are.

I agree about the money system. It is the cause of all this bullshit, no doubt about it. But hopefully you know I have no desire to go back to Jim Crow. I'm just saying that the left is no longer a true left. It "left" a long time ago.

And maybe you didn't read my post carefully. I said "go back to the industrial days of the 50's." I correctly anticipated somebody would start shouting about "Jim Crow", and it happened.
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Postby IanEye » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:27 pm

Nope.

backtoiam » Mon Nov 30, 2015 4:18 pm wrote:I bet black people would rather have their own schools back than live in a situation so desperate that they are now killing each other by the dozens every week in an effort to survive.

I'm thinking that if they knew where all this was eventually headed they would not have fought so hard for their "rights" and said "no thanks."



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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby backtoiam » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:34 pm

I'm sorry you feel that way bro. I really am. I am just saying that sometimes gifts are offered in a structured way that comes with benefits and long term misery, on purpose. That is really my point, and really not much more.

The public has been trained intentionally to associate the prosperous industrial era in which people could easily find a job with a fat paycheck with civil rights issue too. Its a Red Herring.

The ptb does not want people yearning for the days of the industrial boom times because they have no intention of bringing that back to us. None at all. They love it when Jim Crow and industrial boom times and big paychecks are associated with one another and it is no accident that this happens.

Because actually, the two are not associated with one another. One is an economic issue and the other is a minority rights issue.

But those bastards love it when it gets confused.
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby American Dream » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:59 pm

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ALTERNATIVE RIGHT, ANTI-FASCISM, KU KLUX KLAN, NEO-CONFEDERATE

HOW ARE RACISTS RESPONDING TO THE CHURCH SHOOTING AND CONFEDERATE FLAG CONTROVERSY?
JULY 24, 2015

No matter how the particular far right and neo-fascist movement sees itself, mass killings in the name of their racial agenda is always going to be bad news. Aryan Nations was a meeting spot for neo-Nazis, Klansmen, Christian Identity Adherents, and racist militia movements, and was completely undone after a passing family was attacked in front of their compound. White Aryan Resistance was financially undercut after associated skinheads murdered Ethiopian student Mulugeta Seraw in Portland, Oregon. Charges are often brought against associated organizations, and even if they are not formally indicted they certainly are put under the federal looking glass. This is the current state of the Council of Conservative Citizens who is having the FBI going through their materials with a fine toothcomb.

Beyond the hope that other ‘lone wolves’ will be inspired by the violence in a sort of “propaganda of the deed” dynamic, it undercuts their messaging in serious ways. While insurrectionary and vanguardist racial groups certainly exist, even they tend to want to argue philosophical ideas around their racial perspectives and engage in movement building. The modern racialist movement has been heavily influenced by internet-fed pseudo intellectualism, is returning to fascist roots in philosophical movements like the Conservative Revolution and French New Right, and are trying to create a semi-coherent set of ideas that can feed their endgame. In general, the uniting point here is the advocacy of a white ethnostate, though the specifics are particular to the political faction at the microphone.

When instances of violence come up it is difficult to present themselves and thoughtful and peaceful ‘activists.’ The Council of Conservative Citizens is a specifically good example of this in that they existed as a fully aboveground white nationalist organization that maintained ties to the mainstream GOP. It is now clear from his writing that Dylann Roof was inspired to action by the reports of racial differences and ‘black on white crime’ as reported on the CofCC’s website. There you will find pseudoscience about race and intelligence, trumped up reports on racial crime, and other types of ultra conservative and nationalist rants. What you will not find, however, are calls for Racial Holy War. That being said, their publication and their rhetoric, even as mild as it is for their movement, still resulted in violence. This is the kind of association that will rattle their movement to the core, and will likely completely demolish the Council.

The action itself has ramped up a debate that has come in and out of fashion: the remove of the Confederate Battle Flag from public spaces in the south. For many of these groups that are associated with neo-Confederacy as a part of their racial mythology, this could be a bridge to far. Unfortunately for them, any credibility that they had in the popular media market has been stunted by their association with nine dead parishioners in a famed black church in South Carolina.

So how are white nationalists reacting to this situation?

This has been incredibly variable, especially in the CofCC. Many of the people who are deeper in the leadership of the CofCC have rebuked any media contact, but several of their members who are associated with a number of racialist organizations have decided to step up in its defense. Jared Taylor, best known for the white nationalist and scientific-racist organization American Renaissance, has gone on media interviews defending the CofCC. While he continues the line that they are not responsible for the crime, which they have openly condemned, the information cited is still real and legitimate.

“He did not get inspiration from the Council’s website, he got information. And the reason the information was so disturbing to him is because the facts, the reality, of the overwhelmingly “black on white” nature of interracial crime is something that is almost never reported. It’s, in fact, deliberately concealed.”

He continued to return to the racial demographics of crime from several different, unrelated questions. This has been the pattern for Taylor’s interaction with the media; especially debates he tries to get in any forum that will have him. Taylor does go on to say that he and the Council absolutely condemns the shooting.

James Edwards, who sits on the board of both the CofCC and the white nationalist American Freedom Party, hosts his regular radio show The Political Cesspool where he ranted and raved in the usual confusing manor. Though he certainly denounced the shooting, he also praised what he said was the clarity and “intelligence” of his manifesto (which was riddled with racial slurs and writing errors). He doubted the “official story” that has come out and indulged in conspiracy theories about how he could be a government plant, the shooting could have been a result of the medication the shooter was taking, and that the manifesto was created after the fact. He used this as an opportunity to support Roof’s assertions about things like “black on white rape,” which has been a favorite racist talking point since the days of slavery. When going on Richard Spencer’s Radix Podcast to discuss this, he went on about how this was going to be used to strip the South of its “heritage.” In response, Spencer actually spent a great deal of time trying to remind us that we need to begin targeting those with mental illness for the removal from polite society.

In an attempt to act as an unofficial “spokesperson” for the Council, Edwards released a statement to the press that read:

“I unequivocally condemn Dylann Roof’s murderous actions, but in no way was there a legitimate “link” between the alleged shooter and the Council of Conservative Citizens. To say that there is a “link” because he once visited the website reeks of Soviet-era smear tactics. The C of CC cannot reasonably be held accountable for the psychotic reaction this deranged individual had in response to reading truthful statements regarding interracial crime.

According to the Department of Justice, every year there are approximately 500,000 violent, interracial crimes (completed or attempted / threatened). Of these, nearly 83 percent are committed by blacks against whites.

Every year, there are some 20,000 rapes or sexual assaults (including threats) of white women by blacks, but crimes of this sort by white men against black women are so unusual, they scarcely appear in crime statistics.

My prayers go out to the families of the victims in Charleston. After the healing begins to occur it is my sincere hope that mature Americans can finally begin to have an honest conversation about race, rather than being subjected to a one-sided lecture.”


In Richard Spencer’s article on the shooting at Radix Journal he began by noting, without any sense of irony, that this is a tragedy that is going to be used by others as a political tool. He takes it back to the brewing controversy over the Confederate flag where he works hard to ignore the obvious associations between a history of institutional violence against African Americans and the symbol of the Antebellum South.

“As I write, it appears that the shooting has become the tipping point in this decades-long controversy. Roof’s crime, of course, had nothing at all to do with the Confederacy, or how best to honor those who died in a lost cause. That so many have justified removing the flag on the basis of the shooting demonstrates the power of symbolism and narrative over history and fact.

Moreover, it is necessary for us to talk about the meaning of this event, and its political after-effects, for the reason that it was not a “senseless act of violence,” much like John Hinckley Jr. apparently shot Ronald Reagan in order to impress Jodie Foster.”


While he does continue to tow the line of apologism for the act itself, he moves into a kind of meta-commentary where he begins to question whether or not political violence in this way should really be that condemnable.

“Whether political violence is considered to be legitimate and necessary—or illegitimate “terrorism”—is determined by its success and symbolic impact. We forget that the vaunted “Founding Fathers” could have, so easily, been remembered as dangerous eccentrics, who rebelled against their rightful (and quite liberal) monarch out of personal ambition or avarice. In turn, the Confederacy could have been remembered as a just, Jeffersonian order, if it had achieved military victory.”


Counter-Currents Publishing, which has made a name for itself in trying to create a philosophically backed fascist movement modeled on European right-wing intellectuals, joined right in with the usual vile rhetoric that they revel in. Not only were several articles on the subject published, while also being distracted by the recent marriage equality ruling, they also published Roof’s manifesto in an unabridged and annotated version. This will likely not be the last time that this brief blog post driven by homicidal racial rage is republished as the work of some sort of “visionary.” Writing at Counter-Currents website, Brian Tobin laments that these acts of extreme violence are simply the result of an integrated society that is deteriorating because of its multiracial character.

“ How much longer will the majority of whites in America — the ones who can not afford to live in any area other than the “culturally enriched” — be pushed around by policy makers who use them as lab rats in their “cultural” experiment for “public” good? How long will they sit and watch their neighborhoods turn into Third World, crime-ridden slums, right before their eyes, and say nothing? How long will it take for the “backpack of white privilege” to weigh so heavily that it begins to send its wearers into great rage, anger, and frustration?

And isn’t history supposed to be our greatest teacher? Yet no one wants to admit that Dylan Roof is now part of our collective history and memory. The only way to avoid another Dylan Roof episode from airing on network TV is if we finally start learning from (y)our mistakes.

I honestly believe that Dylan Roof’s actions should be heeded as a warning. A warning to the current establishment; a warning to those who wish to maintain the status quo.

What warning is that, you ask? Either embrace the truth and put an end to your relentless critique and attack on White Americans, their history, and their culture, or feel the backlash of those with backpacks becoming too heavy to carry without complaint. To either grant white Americans the same privileges that are afforded to minorities of all stripes, or accept the consequences of which history has written, and the television narrated.”


Though many of the smaller blogs and message boards have erupted in outrage over being associated with such a person and that the flag would be the after target, those associated with the neo-Confederate movement have been somewhat muted. The League of the South, which was created by nationalists coming out of the preservationist Sons of Confederate Veterans, has been having website issues, so they don’t really have the ability to make much of a public episode over it. The Traditionalist Youth Network, which was best known for their campus White Student Union projects, has deep ties to Southern Nationalism and the symbols there in. Matt Parrot, one of the least sensational of the crowd, noted that it would be impossible for people to differentiate between their work and that of the shooter.

“We’ve consistently renounced and rejected violence and hatred at every opportunity, but it honestly doesn’t matter. The American government, media, and academia refuse to distinguish between ourselves and Dylann Roof. For them, the fact that he had ideas similar to our own confirms that our ideas are evil and must be stamped out at all costs. America will willfully disregard the fact that terrorist violence knows no ideology. There are environmental terrorists, socialist terrorists, anarchist terrorists, religious terrorists, anti-religious terrorists, and an impressive list of anti-racist and anti-white terrorists in recent memory.

Dylann Roof falsely believed the lie that the ideology underlying White Advocacy necessarily entails violence. This is a lie which permeates our society, the belief that to be pro-white must necessarily entail being vehemently–even murderously–anti-minority. It doesn’t, but the ADL, the SPLC, the mainstream media, and the federal government have invested millions and millions in crystallizing this falsehood in the collective American mind; that the only way to promote White interests is with violence. A small minority of White Nationalists, many of them outright cranks and many of them surely government assets operating honeypots, also repeat this lie.

It is a lie, and it needs to be put to rest before more lives are lost.”


Matthew Heimbach, the more vocal Southern identitarian of the group, has been notably absent from this discourse, which may give evidence of person problems taking predominance.

It has been pretty well understood that the battle over the Confederate flag is one that has already been won in the minds of most Americans. For white nationalists, this would be a poor way to maintain their goals and a bad place to dig in their heels. But with those who have grave ties to Southern heritage, it is the only historical continuity that gives their sense of racial separatism any American legitimacy.

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League of the South members with a micro protest.

The Loyal White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, one of the many disaffiliated organizations trying to build themselves in the image of the 1920s Klan, has announced that they will be marching on the South Carolina statehouse in July. After stating that the flag is the wrong target and is a part of “white people’s culture” they set the date for July 18th where they will be calling for other white nationalists to join them in support. This is a unique stand, and one that is fitting for the kind of irrational, emotion-laden organizing the Klan is known for, and it will be difficult to image they get more than a couple dozen people out. And very few without their bed sheets.

Occidental Dissent, which does argue militant white revolution from a Southern Nationalist perspective, lists eight different rallies that have taken place. The Virginia/Maryland chapter of the League of the South did have a “rally” in support of the flag, though it looks like there were only a small handful of people. There are also micro actions in Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, North Carolina, and South Carolina, but with usually only a carload of Southern supporters, it is hard to think how they would look against the crowds ripping the flag off its pole.

For the rest of the crowd, they will certainly be flying the flag when tied to the South, but there will likely be a more quiet response. For the “alt right” and Dark Enlightenment crowd, American symbols are something to wholesale reject. For places like the CofCC, they know very clearly that they have much more to lose by jumping into the fight. What you can expect is massive Anti-Fascists actions at any [group] even associated with this, as the numbers are swelling against them. What could be a nice turn, and something we are seeing painted over monuments to Confederate generals, is that the Black Lives Matter branding and organizing will link up here and provide a lasting analysis of white supremacy in America. While these white nationalists are on the vanguard of restoring white privilege to its glory days, it is institutional racism that affects most People of Color’s lives on a daily basis. If the two issues can be united then this can be a powerful step in a movement to undo a history of white domination.
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby Luther Blissett » Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:10 pm

But backtoiam, you also rolled that in with some stances that are not only 20 years old but drastically changed today and trending positively as of right now. Why not look to the future like others are, towards something vastly different, and if current trends continue, with less undue death?
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby Elvis » Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:51 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Mon Nov 30, 2015 1:44 pm wrote:
Even more effective than its collaboration with Bible Belt reactionaries, however, has been the corporate community's systematic repeal of the affluent society. Having seen what dreaded things result from fat paychecks and cultural permissiveness, business leaders have decided to rely on a blunter, more traditional weapon: economic insecurity. They have exported the jobs that once promised to make affluence possible for all and busted the unions that defended high wages. This is turning out to be a far more efficient form of social control than corporate largesse.

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Ye Gods, I need to re-read this book ASAP. What a mammoth slab, right there.

Written in 1969, too. Reminds me of an equally cogent MIT misfit, William Irwin Thompson, who published the obscenely prescient "At the Edge of History" two years later.



Roszak brings so much into focus for me. He totally predicted this 'alt/right' thing would happen (see my signature).

Highly recommend his 1972 "Where the Wasteland Ends" if you haven't read that one...more Roszak genius.
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby backtoiam » Mon Nov 30, 2015 10:46 pm

Luther Blissett » Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:10 pm wrote:But backtoiam, you also rolled that in with some stances that are not only 20 years old but drastically changed today and trending positively as of right now. Why not look to the future like others are, towards something vastly different, and if current trends continue, with less undue death?


My brother, there is nothing more than I would love to see than for the "trends" to change but trends also have "trajectories" and with the social engineering sophistication happening in the "information age" and the ability to program the average human mind with ideas it just does not seem to be headed in a direction that will be beneficial to the masses no matter what color, age, ethnicity, religious persuasion, and all that business.

The Hegelian Dialectic is nothing new and has been around for centuries, and probably a lot longer than that. This Dialectic is expertly designed to guide our thought processes into conflict, by its designers, so that it will have a predetermined outcome. It is like putting cheese in a mouse trap. It looks good, smells good, but if enough people take the bait the nefarious outcome is achieved. The problem with this situation is the fact that us mice cannot always know the turns in the road that are predetermined in the maze that will guide us mouse into the trap.

The predetermined outcome was for coins to roll into the pockets of the designers of the dialect. Studying reactions to basic human function is something that the designers of the dialect have turned into an "artform" and I sincerely mean that. Coins represent units of human labor and energy so actually it is pretty much human energy theft and without this the PTB would have to get a damn job.

Nordic said something very astute earlier in this forum which was "how can a person guard against that which they cannot even imagine." There is much wisdom right there bro.

In this day and age the meme can be spread with such effectiveness due to technology that humanity has no prayer to guard against it. An entire generation of children are being mesmerized from birth by television and other electronic devices that have been programmed by experts in Dialectic warfare.

The only thing that could turn this bus wreck around in my opinion is for the people that see themselves as "leftists" would be for them to recognize the fact that the Dialectic they are being fed is bogus, turn some of it around backwards, ignore some of it, not react to to some of it. We are not stupid unless we listen. We just need to treat each other as we want to be treated but with meme programming this is becoming more difficult.

And even if we treat each other with respect, the will tell us that we are not, take action on it, and there is not much we can do to defend against it. There is so much fake news telling us all that we hate each other that they can do whatever they want to us because how will the masses know the difference anyway? We can't see every neighborhood because we are not there and most people believe what they are told.

I hate it, but I just don't see how this will happen that people can see the truth these days. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. And right now the masses are being programmed with good intentions that will have a twist that turns into a road of hell.

The PTB does not care, even one little bit, if you are a Democrat or Republican as long as you stay on one of those two lanes of the highway because they know something the masses do not know. They know that both roads lead to the slaughter house because it has been programmed to be that way.

They get worried if you jump the fence, and don't follow one of these two roads, that is when they worry. They know if sheep jump the fence in mass that the game is over and they will kill millions before they will allow that to happen.

It is easier to kill a million people than force a million people to do something and they have absolutely no remorse about shedding some blood. All you have to do is look around the globe to understand that.

In my opinion if a person wants to be a serious activist for social justice they should look for something to be "for" instead of "against" but at this stage of the game that might not even work. Instead of being against things, look for ways to patch up and heal differences between groups of people because different groups of people have more in common than they realize, like damn survival at this point, in spite of their petty grievances about what they BELIeVE.

Belief is a fluid substance and obviously everything we "believe" is not true because if it was we would all believe the same thing.

They use our good nature, our love for another, and our desire to help our fellow man as a devious club, and they beat us to death with it, by tricking us into believing that we are helping one another, by fighting against one another.

The joke is on all of us because none of us will transcend to a better life by fighting each other. Like ianeye said, its that damn money system. The threads that draw the most heat in this forum are about race, gender, and ethnicity. Mission accomplished. That is exactly what they want because then we have to fight each other and not them. Right?

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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby American Dream » Tue Dec 01, 2015 12:31 am

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ALTERNATIVE RIGHT, ANARCHISM, ANTI-FASCISM, NATIONAL ANARCHISM

PUTTING IT TO REST: WHAT YOU WANT ISN’T ANARCHISM

The exchange between anarchism and Marxism has been complex and ongoing, yet this idea that Marxism has infiltrated anarchism and that is why it has adopted socially left values is not just bizarre, it has zero basis in fact. Today, Marxist factions, as small and scattered as they are, are continually a socially conservatizing force and several steps behind in these struggles. This has always been true in older periods of Marxism where struggle is centrally set on a united working class along economic lines, not along lines of other oppressed identification. The idea is then proposed by neo-fascists that the Frankfurt School completely reshaped all social struggles on every level so that anti-racism and anti-patriarchal struggles would supplement class struggle. The main purpose of this conspiracy theory is to create a narrative where by it is actually Jewish philosophers that have started this process and, therefore, must be only done for Jewish domination. There are literally no Marxist academics or organizers that would agree with the radical right’s estimation of Marxism as the driving force towards social progress through the Frankfurt School.

Ideologically, the anarchist project of modern times owes so little to Marxism in all the ways that most people understand Marxist theory. Marxism does not see the power dynamics that are central to interpersonally identified oppressions, such as race or gender, as foundational. Instead, economic relations act as the base to the larger superstructure by which other forms of oppression can rest alongside disparate pieces of culture. This runs counter to most contemporary anarchist’s conception of oppression, where anything beyond class struggle would have to be secondary. The influence of Marxism on anarchism is in much of the critiques of capitalism, which you would see in the work of people like Wayne Price(We are guessing you remember him). The Marxism that does tend to maintain some types influence in anarchist circles are, ironically, the Marxists that you cited to make your point. There is differing opinions about the work of Negri and Hardt among our editorial collective, especially as it comes to the de-emphasis of the nation state, yet this disagreement is within a particular framework: namely, the discussion of politics leading towards liberation. If anything, anarchism has influenced Marxism more on social issues than the latter as you can see the emergence in most of the ideas in many of the anarchists Preston sites, such as Alexander Berkman and Emma Goldman. The issue Preston takes up is if reactionary counter-cultural movements, from neo-Nazis to Mormon Fundamentalists, can be united to challenge the global hegemony of capitalist power. The reality is that with visions so radically different, as well as analysis about power and oppression so different, they hold little tactical or ideological virtue in each other. Simply put: we don’t want the same things, and even in challenging the state we would engage with it in such radically different ways that we do not hold stake in each other’s success. We believe in dual power and, only to some degree, prefiguration of the world we want to see. In doing so, we engage in anti-oppression politics inside of the methods we use towards larger movement building, which we hope are cumulative moves towards revolutionary struggle.

The influence on anarchism over the second half of the 20th century came instead from anarchism’s ability to adapt to different ideas it comes in contact with during periods of struggle. This means its connection to the Civil Rights Movement, Radical Feminism, Radical Ecology, the anti-nuke movement, Animal Rights, and a whole other range of actual social movements that allowed anarchism this evolution. This really comes from the notion, which is primary in anarchist thought from the start, that anarchism is a struggle against oppression on multiple fronts. Anarchism’s opposition fundamentally to hierarchy means confronting all the places that oppression seeps into people’s experiences, and confronting that as a unique place of struggle. This is the point by which intersectionality influenced the modern movement, coming out of the Combahee River Collective in Boston in the mid-1970s where it came from the combined experiences of both racism and sexism experienced by women of color.

The real key issue that Preston’s arguments here rest on(possibly all of his stale arguments, in general) is whether or not things like racism and sexism actually exist as significant forms of oppression and if all these completely unrelated and antagonistic ideological forces can basically be called the same thing. There are literally stacks of books about this issue, but we are simply going to refer you back to our previous article about anarchism and its ideological position as the direct opposition to fascism broadly understood. There are core values underlying the anarchist tradition, such as unmediated democracy and radical anti-hierarchical egalitarianism, on which the political and social ideas rest. We believe that “any cook can rule,” that people are very different while all being equal in value, and that direct participation is crucial to a fully realized existence. These assumptions are not shared in your right-wing libertarian variants, even if they both find value in the larger anti-authoritarian tradition. Even though we do not think that these ideas are ultimately liberatory, we would not get into a tit for tat argument with you about whether anarcho-capitalism or N-A could be broadly understood to be anti-authoritarian.

One thing that Preston mentions both in his last article and in much of his larger work is a critique of Political Correctness. He often joins in with the narrative that PC culture is the grand leviathan that controls the culture, which is ideologically pre-school in nature. The notion that liberal social norms are somehow equal to capitalism, the church, the communist party, or the corporation in different times and places is ridiculous. We want to add, however, that we also oppose things like Political Correctness and call-out culture. Much of what you lump together with contemporary anarchism or Marxism you bring over from mainstream liberalism, which are exactly many of the points at which the radical left breaks away. We do not, however, see these as grand travesties that are the equal to the violence implicit in racial nationalism.

Preston does make it clear that he does not see the oppression faced by people of color, women, and queer folks as being significantly dominant and therefore they are more of a battle amongst interest groups. White nationalists love this line as it gives them the excuse to say that they are just fighting for white interests just like other groups fight for their own interests. The reality is that racism is real, just as rates of job hiring, incarceration, police violence, and pretty much all areas of social life can be seen as disparate between whites and racial groups of color. Women are the victim of misogynist violence at rates so systemic that their own home is one of the most dangerous places they can be and pregnant women are more likely to die from homicide than in any other way. Rape, assault, and harassment are daily threats for non-male members of our society, and the notion that a straight white man can pontificate about how this oppression is just a thing of the past is breathtaking.

We have gladly engaged in some jabs your direction, but we do want one thing to be taken incredibly sincerely. The idea that ideological positions that hold almost no connection rather than opposition to the state(We would guess that you do not even agree with us as to what a state actually is.) do not have any business being discussed as the same project. When you stand with neo-fascist organizations(even though we are sure that you will dispute that description) you empower their revolutionary vision, one that necessitates our failure. In times of crisis and collapse there is a lot of revolutionary potential, both on the right and the left, so the challenge of anarchism is to present liberatory potentials opposed to the rise of reactionary forces. The fringes of these movements do not hold similar enemies since our politics are a tool for achieving specific values. National Anarchism seeks to build up the idea of the ethnic nation as a viable unit of identity and resistance, but we want to counter that notion with the idea that working class unity and broad community is both more functionally successful in terms of struggle and more inspiring to the human soul. Ethnic struggle is one that has been successful on the left only in that it opposes the oppression from the dominant groups in the society, but to say that white nationalism and black nationalism are the same thing is to lack an understanding of what ideologically motivates the two groups. Instead, our anarchism is something that runs so much deeper than the surface ideas you throw around, ones that will never be reconciled with your ideas.


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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby backtoiam » Tue Dec 01, 2015 3:34 am

This might be a bee in a bonnet and a burr under a horse saddle I'm not really sure. I might get spanked for this. AD what is your opinion on this concept? I'm thinking you probably have one don't you?



In 1847 the London Communist League (Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels) used Hegel's theory of the dialectic to back up their economic theory of communism. Now, in the 21st century, Hegelian-Marxist thinking affects our entire social and political structure.

The Hegelian dialectic is the framework for guiding our thoughts and actions into conflicts that lead us to a predetermined solution. If we do not understand how the Hegelian dialectic shapes our perceptions of the world, then we do not know how we are helping to implement the vision for the future.

Hegel's dialectic is the tool which manipulates us into a frenzied circular pattern of thought and action. Every time we fight for or defend against an ideology we are playing a necessary role in Marx and Engels' grand design to advance humanity into a dictatorship of the proletariat. The synthetic Hegelian solution to all these conflicts can't be introduced unless we all take a side that will advance the agenda.

The Marxist's global agenda is moving along at breakneck speed. The only way to stop land grabs, privacy invasions, expanded domestic police powers, insane wars against inanimate objects (and transient verbs), covert actions, and outright assaults on individual liberty, is to step outside the dialectic. Only then can we be released from the limitations of controlled and guided thought.

When we understand what motivated Hegel, we can see his influence on all of our destinies. Then we become real players in the very real game that has been going on for at least 224 years.

Hegelian conflicts steer every political arena on the planet, from the United Nations to the major American political parties, all the way down to local school boards and community councils. Dialogues and consensus-building are primary tools of the dialectic, and terror and intimidation are also acceptable formats for obtaining the goal.

The ultimate Third Way agenda is world government. Once we get what's really going on, we can cut the strings and move our lives in original directions outside the confines of the dialectical madness. Focusing on Hegel's and Engel's ultimate agenda, and avoiding getting caught up in their impenetrable theories of social evolution, gives us the opportunity to think and act our way toward freedom, justice, and genuine liberty for all.

Today the dialectic is active in every political issue that encourages taking sides. We can see it in environmentalists instigating conflicts against private property owners, in democrats against republicans, in greens against libertarians, in communists against socialists, in neo-cons against traditional conservatives, in community activists against individuals, in pro-choice versus pro-life, in Christians against Muslims, in isolationists versus interventionists, in peace activists against war hawks.

No matter what the issue, the invisible dialectic aims to control both the conflict and the resolution of differences, and leads everyone involved into a new cycle of conflicts. We're definitely not in Kansas anymore.
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby American Dream » Tue Dec 01, 2015 9:58 am

http://antifascistnews.net/2015/11/09/s ... tennessee/

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ALTERNATIVE RIGHT, KU KLUX KLAN, NEO-CONFEDERATE, NEO-NAZI

STORMFRONT SMOKY MOUNTAIN SUMMIT 2015 BROUGHT MILITANT WHITE NATIONALISM TO TENNESSEE
NOVEMBER 9, 2015

While most people, both antifascists and white nationalists, were focused on the National Policy Institute 2015 conference on October 31st in Washington, D.C., Stormfront was also having a series conference for the more militant wing of the movement. Most people will know Stormfront as the first white nationalist message board, which is still one of the centers of the movement with over 300,000 registered members.

Over the last few years, Don Black, who is the Stormfront founder, KKK member, and long-time white nationalist activist, has been organizing the Stormfront Smokey Mountain Summit for now five years. This is a conference for Stormfront related groups and individuals, which means it appeals to a more working-class, southern, and rural white supremacist. It is here that you will see the disparate fringes of Aryan Nations and the Christian Identity movement, neo-Nazis and Klansman, and a lot of the sort of “B-team” of the Alternative Right.

The conference that was held on November 2nd, just like Stormfront, attempts to have a softer image and looks more towards organizing rather than the angry racialism and slurs that has traditionally painted these gatherings. This year, David Duke kicked off the event with an hour speech where he alternated between fears of immigration and his favorite topic: the Jewish “Supremacists” that he thinks are controlling world affairs. Dr. Patrick Slattery also added the image of respectability to the event, though he is best known for writing at places like the Occidental Observer about Southern issues and general anti-Semitism.

While Don Black said on his re-cap podcast that NPI and the Stormfront are very different conferences, two NPI speakers engaged with the conference. Sam Dickson, who spoke at NPI about the “coming ethnostate,” did an audio address to Stormfront about lessons that they can learn from the fight over the Confederate Flag. He mentioned that it was important to “look before you leap,” and that you need to do your homework and properly prepare before “going into battle.” The flag controversy was a huge topic amongst the crowd, which was a testament to its Southern character

Kevin McDonald also intended to be there, but ended up choosing the NPI conference as well where he gave a speech on the “origins of the white man.” A man called “Roy” gave a workshop on using humor as a “weapon,” where they broke people into small groups to make memes. Notorious Canadia racist Paul Fromm had to Skype his talk in because the U.S. would not grant him a visa, which is not uncommon for Fromm.

There is a clear divide between Stormfront and NPI, and that was pretty clear when Don Black rambled on about how they don’t need locations like the National Press Club. It was stated openly that NPI is a more flashy gathering, and Black was right. At NPI you saw the hip intellectual center of the movement where they use pseudo-academia as an attempt to portray a grounded radical development happening. Stormfront lacks that pretense, not to mention educated people and money. It was not that Black seemed to oppose the project of NPI, but more that he personally feels on the outs from gatherings like that. His tradition of racism is much more “down home,” and so really the division between the two conferences is one of class and background rather than ideology. Stomfront and NPI shared the need for a “white homeland,” and their ideas about people of color, women, and Jews were almost identical. Terms like Cuckservative, Group Evolutionary Strategy when referring to Jews, and Race and IQ arguments were just as present in Stormfront as they were in NPI. Donald Trump gear was spotted at both, which was little surprise to antifascists who infiltrated.

Stormfront does represent a much more irrelevant wing of the organized racist movement, but it has a much higher potential for violence. As the Southern Poverty Law Center has reported, Stormfront has hosted over 100 racist murderers in just the last ten years, and the type of organizations that are attracted to the Stormfront conference over NPI are going to be more aligned with violent action rather than biting commentary. Both need to see a strong Anti-Fascist Action presence, though they do represent two distinctly different threats.
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby backtoiam » Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:06 am

Ok i'm disappointed I wanted your take on the Hegelian Dialectic. Now I have to hide from white people again today. Hiding from white folk is getting tedious I must say...Those white folk are dangerous crackers...
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby slomo » Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:20 am

backtoiam » 01 Dec 2015 06:06 wrote:Ok i'm disappointed I wanted your take on the Hegelian Dialectic. Now I have to hide from white people again today. Hiding from white folk is getting tedious I must say...Those white folk are dangerous crackers...

You know already: AD will never respond to your comments. He'll either create more copypasta, or cut+paste the forum rules in an effort to suggest that you are somehow breaking them. But he'll never directly address your comments.
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby American Dream » Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:39 am

I'd bet money that neither of you has ever actually read Hegel if you put any credence in that notorious canard of the reactionaries.
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby backtoiam » Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:41 am

American Dream » Tue Dec 01, 2015 9:39 am wrote:I'd bet money that neither of you has ever actually read Hegel if you put any credence in that canard of the reactionaries!


I didn't ask you if you thought I read Hegel. I asked you what you thought about Hegel.
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