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Funny synchronicity

Postby professorpan » Sat Dec 03, 2005 5:27 am

I noticed that my last post about Kubrick was my 333rd post. And I had just posted something about number synchronicities in another thread.<br><br>Thanks, Mr. Trickster! <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Defending Kubrick

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Sat Dec 03, 2005 5:47 am

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"If Kubrick wanted to expose the existence of a ritualistic orgy-attending elite, then why didn't he just come out and expose them in an interview, matter-of-factly?"</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>That's an easy one to answer:<br><br>Because he was an artist.<br><br>If Kubrik had somethig to say about the belly of the beast and wasn't part and parcel of it, he chose a format that he was most capable at; film. You know the deal..how many times have you gotten fed up with trying to explain, or asking someone to hit a website or read a book, or even buy a book for someone and watch the dust grow on it. I don't think it's far-fetched for a frustrated Kubrik to realize a message culminating from decades of exposure to whisper, shadow, and possible solicitations. I see no reason why he couldn't have possesed second-hand nature and sought to be something more than just another voice yelling into the wind with no effect. You and I can cite the same old data over and over and not get anywhere; he made a film. I seriously doubt he was in on anything..There is simply way too much innuendo in that film, and it doesn't jive with the non-creative aspects of TPTB I have grown accustomed to recognizing, so I tend to agree with Professor Pan about this completely. They're about power, not style, and there's too much style in EWS to assign to a pack of dungeon crawlers. It doesn't hit me as a commissioned work, in other words, but what do I know?<br><br>The real salt in the wound is how the majority of film lovers, Kubrik fans included, were disappointed by the movie and failed to comprehend what they were seeing..I'm still not understanding that one..<br><br>Also, I can't find anything relating to his death aside from 'natural causes' and a comment that he died in his sleep made by Kidman..His death has not recieved the attention one would expect to see on the internet, even if it's nature was indeed mundane. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Defending Kubrick

Postby NewKid » Sat Dec 03, 2005 7:09 am

<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Ever the iconoclast, "Eyes Wide Shut" director Stanley Kubrick shocked Hollywood one final time with his sudden death from a heart attack Sunday.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.highroadproductions.com/FRAME/kubrick.htm">www.highroadproductions.com/FRAME/kubrick.htm</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>As Jack Lemmon's character says in JFK, "All I know is that he died, suddenly . . . " <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Defending Kubrick

Postby Dreams End » Sat Dec 03, 2005 12:10 pm

Maybe Kubrick learned all about it on the internet. This thread proves this is possible. <p></p><i></i>
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Masks

Postby Pants Elk » Sat Dec 03, 2005 4:25 pm

The Milton Keynes mask is not an EWS mask. It's a Venetian carnival mask. Several hundred years of history behind that, and if we go into it, we're not really talking about EWS anymore.<br><br>EWS is one of the few Kubrick movies I haven't seen (yes, I'm going to rectify that next week) - I don't like Tom Cruise, to the point where I dislike looking at him, and the reviews didn't really make me that interested in it. But reading the material on RI has made me do some research, like the rest of you.<br><br>As a previous poster has said, he was obsessive in his detail (for instance - the scenes in the Shining, where the little boy pedals his cart along the corridor? Those carpets were especially made for the movie, designed by Kubrick. This is moviemaking at its most obsessive) and it is impossible to believe that even a single frame is without calculated significance.<br><br>To read the Amazon "official" review (and the usual dumb-bell consumer reviews) you'd think this was a film about - uh - relationships. Right. Like 2001 was a movie about astronauts.<br><br>So, it looks like I was one of the dumb-bells, dismissing this movie as a "failed experiment" - turns out it was a real legacy - a time bomb. <p></p><i></i>
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Postby Pants Elk » Sat Dec 03, 2005 4:57 pm

Robert Sterling:<br><br>In light of Kubrick's death, watching a film in which two likely murders are explained away without investigation is disturbing. Kubrick warns that anyone who reveals upper-crust secrets can be snuffed without punishment. Was he predicting (and warning of) his own farewell?<br><br>Kubrick wouldn't be alone: As Uri Dowbenko's film review on Steamshovel Press noted, Mozart died soon after he revealed Masonic mysteries in "The Magic Flute," Stephen Knight, who wrote about Freemasonry and the Jack the Ripper slayings in two books, died mysteriously while working on a third, and 19th-century author William Morgan appears to have been murdered after he exposed Masonic activities.<br><br>The last major film to reveal occult secrets like Eyes Wide Shut was Roman Polanski's Rosemary's Baby. Soon after its release, Polanski's lover and unborn child were slaughtered by Manson's occult "family," and he was later run out of the States. (Polanski screwing a 13-year-old girl didn't help.)<br><br>The sex rituals in Kubrick's film appear inspired by the Hellfire Club, an 18th-century British Masonic offshoot founded by Sir Francis Dashwood. Founding Father (and high-ranking Freemason) Benjamin Franklin is said to have engaged regularly in these Satanic orgies. More recently, self-proclaimed Great Beast Aleister Crowley created similar rituals for his Masonic-inspired Ordo Templi Orientis (OTO).<br><br>Crowley's top American protégé, JPL rocket scientist Jack Parsons, was befriended by future Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard in the late 1940's. Hubbard supposedly admired Crowley obsessively, and some researchers claim secret Church of Scientology trainings are heavily influenced by OTO rites. Some Kubrick rumors note Cruise and Kidman are famous Scientologists, though the connection seems tenuous. <p></p><i></i>
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Why can't I edit my posts?

Postby Pants Elk » Sat Dec 03, 2005 5:01 pm

Sorry for the multiple posts:<br><br>"Following a postmortem today, police said Kubrick died of natural causes and<br>that there were no suspicious circumstances. They said there would be no<br>inquest, and the family declined to release any details on the cause of death."<br><br>Oh. That's okay then. Nothing to see here, obviously. <p></p><i></i>
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Postby Pants Elk » Sat Dec 03, 2005 5:03 pm

<br><br><br>"According to Katharina Kubrick Hobbs (Kubrick's step-daughter) he had a massive heart attack. There were no previous signs that trouble was ahead. He died in his sleep." <p></p><i></i>
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re Kubrik/Polanski

Postby saintsimon » Sat Dec 03, 2005 5:23 pm

After reviewing "Eyes Wide Shut," readers here might also be interested in seeing a recent Polanski effort, "The Ninth Gate," a little noticed film that came out in 2000, starring Johnny Depp. The film was almost universally panned by the critics. Albeit from a more lighthearted perspective (but probably akin to Goethe's description of Faust as "sehr ernste Scherze") Polanski plays with the depiction of a circle of ultra rich satanists who arrive at an enormous european mansion in rolls royces, primed for some anonymous romping in black robes accompanied by attempts to conjure up a visit from Lucifer himself. To my taste, this was a more successful film than Kubrik's: when discussing serious things, the absence of humor (I am thinking of EWS) can lead to ponderousness. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: More ...

Postby Sweejak » Sat Dec 03, 2005 5:52 pm

Oddly enough I rented this film just last week<br><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://encyclopedia.laborlawtalk.com/Eyes_Wide_Shut">encyclopedia.laborlawtalk..._Wide_Shut</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>In the film's upbeat but dissonant denouement, the Harfords have taken their daughter Helena Christmas shopping, but they respond to her wishes only politely, distracted by their own inner children. Like many reviewers, they're still wrapped up in psychology and sex, missing the sociological implications of what's onscreen. But, as in so much of Kubrick's work, the dialogue is misdirection; the real story is being told visually. As poor Helena flits anxiously from one display to the next (already an avid little consumer) every item she fondles associates her with the women who have been exploited and destroyed by her father's circle. Helena's Christmas list includes a blue baby carriage (like the blue stroller seen twice outside Domino's apartment), an oversized teddy bear (next to a rack of tigers like the one on Domino's bed) and a Barbie doll (reminiscent of Milich's daughter) dressed in a diaphanous angel costume just like the one Helena herself wore in the film's first scene. She herself has already become a doll, a thing to be dressed up with cute costumes and accessories. Another toy, conspicuously displayed under a red ring of lights, is called "The Magic Circle"; the name is an allusion to the ring of ritual prostitutes at the orgy, and the bright red color of the box recalls the carpet on which they genuflected to the high priest, as well as the felt of the pool table over which Bill made his own bargain with the devil. The subplot with Milich and his daughter is clearly echoed here, in another place of business, as the Harfords also casually pimp their own little angel out to the world of commerce.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Gorightly:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.konformist.com/flicks/eyeswideshut.htm">www.konformist.com/flicks...deshut.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>while dancing with a rich foreign aristocrat--Alice adopts the persona of an intoxicated, flighty airhead. At other times throughout the film she is smart and sophisticated, then alternately cold and cruel; at other times a caring mother, and a devoted wife. After a few hits off a joint, Alice goes on a tirade where she's becomes both jealous and judgmental of her husband, initiating a heated argument. It is telling that after a toke or two of the killer weed, Alice's mood shifts so precipitously, as drugs are another well-established tool used in Monarch programming for triggering "alters".<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br>Masks. The beaked mask was in the film.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.amasquerade.com/ThemePages/maskBot_paypal.htm">www.amasquerade.com/Theme...paypal.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br>Kubrick and NASA...FYI<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.orwelltoday.com/readermoonkubrick.shtml">www.orwelltoday.com/reade...rick.shtml</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Masks

Postby Pants Elk » Sat Dec 03, 2005 6:08 pm

"Masks. The beaked mask was in the film."<br><br>Not saying it isn't. Just that any EWS implications in the statue at Milton Keynes are, well ... unlikely. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Masks

Postby Sweejak » Sat Dec 03, 2005 6:48 pm

Understood. <br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Stanley Kubrick visited a number of maskmakers during his reserach for the film. It is likely he used masks from many of the shops, but we know for certain that one of our suppliers had some of his masks used for the film<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END-->. <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.masksofvenice.co.uk/">www.masksofvenice.co.uk/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Comparing masks to screencaps:

Postby Rigorous Intuition » Sat Dec 03, 2005 10:03 pm

<!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/JeffWells/subalbum1/mk2.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/JeffWells/subalbum1/aeyes32b-resized.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/JeffWells/subalbum1/dottore.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/JeffWells/subalbum1/birdmask-resized.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=rigorousintuition>Rigorous Intuition</A> at: 12/3/05 7:09 pm<br></i>
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Un-cut

Postby Sweejak » Sat Dec 03, 2005 10:33 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The region 3 release (Hong Kong) is uncut and contains the recitation of a passage from the Bhagavad Gita during the orgy scene. It is rumored that this is the closest the film comes to being unaltered after Kubrick's last edit and is the most true to his "vision"<br><br>... the verses, "paritranaya sadhunam, vinasaya ca duskritam, dharma-samstapanarthaya, sambhavami yuge yuge", are heard on the soundtrack (track 9), but not any DVD or video releases.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120663/alternateversions">www.imdb.com/title/tt0120...teversions</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>edit.. adding a little more;<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Trivia about Eyes Wide Shut:<br>Harvey Keitel and Jennifer Jason Leigh originally played Victor Ziegler and Marion Nathanson. After Keitel and Leigh had shot some scenes, Keitel was dismissed from the production. His scenes needed to be reshot, but Leigh was not available to reshoot them (due to a scheduling conflict with eXistenZ (1999)). Consequently, Sydney Pollack and Marie Richardson were brought in to play the respective roles.<br>Hart, Melissa Joan auditioned for a role in this movie.<br>According to writer Frederic Raphael, the final form of Bill's family name (Harford, as opposed to Scheuer in the original story) was inspired by a debate about Bill's character. Raphael felt Bill should be Jewish as in the original, but Kubrick insisted Bill and Alice be "vanilla" Americans, without any details that would arouse any presumptions. Kubrick said that Bill should be a bit like Harrison Ford (I) - hence the name Harford.<br>In order for the film to be given an R rating in America, some scenes contain computer-generated people in the foreground obscuring some of the more explicit sexual action.<br>When Bill Harford returns to Soho, a sign painted on the side of a building prominently features the name BOWMAN. David Bowman is a character in director Kubrick's 2001: A Space Odyssey (196<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> .<br>One of the patients who Cruise, Tom cancels is called Kaminsky, the name of one of the hibernating crew that HAL kills in 2001: A Space Odyssey (196<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> .<br>The mask that Bill Harford wears with his costume is modeled from the face of 'Ryan ONeal, a reference to Barry Lyndon (1975).<br>The password "fidelio" (from the Latin root "fidelis" meaning "faithful"<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> refers to Beethoven's only opera, "Fidelio". In the opera, Fidelio is a woman who disguises herself as a man to save her lover.<br>In the film, Field, Todd plays a character who dropped out of medical school ten years earlier. Ten years before this film was released, Todd Field played a character who dropped out of medical school in Gross Anatomy (1989).<br>This film contains clever in-joke references to almost all of Stanley Kubrick's films, including his first feature Fear and Desire (1953). At one point we see a scene from Blume in Love (1973) on a TV set. "Blume" was directed by Paul Mazursky, who made his acting debut in "Fear and Desire".<br>A real estate agent's sign that appears briefly in shot at the end of a street carries the name Vitali. The newspaper article that Bill reads announcing the death of Mandy mentions that she was a model and that she had been involved with a designer named Leon Vitali. Leon Vitali is one of Kubrick's longest-serving colleagues and also plays Red Cloak in "Eyes Wide Shut".<br>Director Kubrick, Stanley died just four days after presenting Warner Bros. with what was reported to be a final cut of the film, after a legendary long shoot.<br>A VHS copy of the movie Rain Man (198<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> is seen in Alice and Bill's bedroom on top of their entertainment stand during their marijuana-enhanced argument.<br>Numerous recurring shots of Christmas trees with colored lights (in almost every room/apartment) and wedding rings.<br>The tremendous hype around the release of this film resulted in several rumors about the plot. The most widely circulated was the mistaken rumor that in the film, Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman played married psychiatrists having affairs with their patients.<br>The headline of the New York Post that Bill Harford buys when the bald man is stalking him reads: LUCKY TO BE ALIVE.<br>When Bill enters his apartment for the last time (right before he discovers the mask on his pillow) we can see a stack of Kubrick, Stanley videos from on the long table under the painting. The one on the top is Full Metal Jacket (1987).<br>The letters and the newspaper read by Tom Cruise are written in Italian for the Italian version of this movie. Apparently, Stanley Kubrick shot those scenes with papers written in different languages, as he did for Shining, The (1980).<br>Stanley Kubrick had three assistants for "Eyes Wide Shut". Their credits are "Assistant to the Director" (Leon Vitali), "Assistant to Stanley Kubrick" (Anthony Frewin) and "Assistant to Mr. Kubrick" ('Emilio DAlessandro).<br>Reportedly, the DVD version sold in Europe is completely uncensored: gone are the computer-generated people in the foreground obscuring some of the more explicit sexual action.<br>Dumont, Sky dubbed his part himself in the German release.<br>Rade Serbedzija dubbed himself in the Italian release.<br>Director's Trademark (Stanley Kubrick):[114] The room in the morgue visited by Bill is in wing C, room 114 (C-Rm114, or CRM-114). CRM-114 was the name of the decoding machine in Kubrick's film Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (1964), as well as the number printed on the medicine that Alex is given in Clockwork Orange, A (1971).<br>The music during the ceremony at the masked ball is a fragment of an Orthodox mass played backwards; the priest is singing in Romanian.<br>The film was "pushed" two stops in processing, thus enabling Stanley Kubrick to film using existing source lighting (table lamps, overhead lights, etc.) whenever possible. The light level remained low even when lighting had to be supplemented with Lowell or Chinese paper ball lamps as fill or key lights.<br>Entered into The Guinness Book of World Records as "The Longest Constant Movie Shoot".<br>Though often referred to as Kubrick's "unfinished masterpiece", the final edit of the film was actually presented to Warner Brothers (by Kubrick) a full four days before his death.<br>Filming on this movie lasted 400 days.<br>The 13 and-a-half minute billiard room scene between Tom Cruise and Sydney Pollack took about three weeks of filming. The greeting scene at the party early in the picture took only two hours.<br>Early on in production, Kubrick, a huge Woody Allen fan, considered casting him in the Victor Ziegler role eventually given to Sydney Pollack. While he also considered casting Steve Martin (I) in the role of Dr William Hartford, eventually given to Tom Cruise.<br>Stanley Kubrick's first film to open at #1 at the US box office.<br>The Harford's apartment is based on a New York apartment where the Kubrick family lived during the early 1960s.<br>This movie spent almost a year in post-production.<br>Variety reported that Stanley Kubrick himself selected the movie's release date after analyzing scores of box-office data provided to him Warner Bros.<br>Stanley Kubrick and the director of photography Larry Smith (VIII) tested out different film stocks and finally settled on one that had been discontinued by Kodak. As a courtesy, Kodak offered to supply as many rolls of this film as would be needed for the project.<br>Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman signed open-ended contracts. They agreed to work on this project until Stanley Kubrick released them from it, however long that turned out to be.<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00005ATQD/102-5978246-4864938?v=glance&vi=quotes-trivia&n=130">www.amazon.com/gp/product...&n=130</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=sweejak@rigorousintuition>Sweejak</A> at: 12/3/05 7:47 pm<br></i>
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Re: Comparing masks to screencaps:

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Sat Dec 03, 2005 10:42 pm

Regarding this scene:<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/JeffWells/subalbum1/birdmask-resized.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"The mask is called MEDICO DELLA PESTE. This is one of the most famous Venetian masks. This costume, the plague doctor, was French in origin, stemming from an idea of Charles de Lorme, a French Doctor. The plague itself was a tragically regular visitor to the city and there were only two known methods of keeping it from the door. One was the building of votive churches such as the Redentore and Santa Maria della Salute, the other was the organisation of medical faciliteis that, as yet, were less than adequate. Medical texts from the fourteenth century on recommend a special kind of dress for doctors who had to expose themselves to this terrible infectious disease. The Venetian doctor Troilo Lancia, in the terrible plague of 1630, writes that some doctors put on a "peculiar costume" which could well be like the one in Grevembroch's picture. The tunic was made of linen or waxed canvas so that infectious vapours could not pass through to the clothes. The little stick served for lifting the blankets without having to touch them. Further protection was sought in the cape, the glasses and the hooked "beak" stuffed with disinfectant substances, and all of which combined to make this man of science into a kind of large and lugubrious bird comparable with the old sorcerers who took upon themselves the very ugliness of the evil that was to be chased away. This, then, is not a Carnival costume but rather a terrifying symbolic warning of a fatal epidemic fever all too recurrent in a city port like Venice."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://cgi.ebay.ca/AUTHENTIC-HANDMADE-VENETIAN-MASK-MEDICO-DELLA-PESTE_W0QQitemZ4419436435QQcategoryZ38235QQcmdZViewItem">Get your very own plague mask here..</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Knowing these little details make that scene all the more poignant; we now know with little doubt that we're looking at a person doomed to die when we see her escorted by one of these characters.<br><br>Neato.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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