“Secrets are things we give to others to keep for us.”

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Should there be more or less Internet sharing (so called 'Piracy')?

Yes, there is no such thing as Intellectual Property. Copyright is a lie.
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31%
There should be more, but with limitation. New Licensing schemes, like Creative Commons, are much better than wholesale infringement.
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46%
Meh, I could care less.
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15%
Just because it's on the Internet or is digital doesn't change the fact that it is stealing. Piracy must be curbed, because it is out of control currently.
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8%
Mandatory jail time and harsh fines for all Internet copyright infringers.
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“Secrets are things we give to others to keep for us.”

Postby §ê¢rꆧ » Tue May 20, 2008 6:31 am

“Secrets are things we give to others to keep for us.”
--Elbert Hubbard

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Here's something from the Pirate Bay blog:

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12 million and counting

Good news everybody!

Some days ago we hit 12 million peers! It's not long since we reached 10 million so it's really amazing to see this happening already. What we want you to do is to spread the word to your friends and make more people share files! Let's break 15 million - and 20!


Twelve million peers! WOW! According to Internet World Stats, Australia has 19,353,462 Internet users (March 2008) - that means a group - a Global Pirate Network - that is 63% the size of Australia's net population, is online RIGHT NOW, committed to the complete, unfettered sharing of all digital information, copyright and law be damned. That's pretty amazing to me.

It gets less exciting when you see what most people are sharing: bad tv shows, porn movies and ms windows... but still... pretty cool. I give the Pirate Bay kids props (and also the Swedish government to some degree for harboring the Pirate Bay) for taking on the leviathan of big money media head on, with such aplomb, and elan.

"'Intellectual property is the oil of the twenty first century" -Mark Getty, chairman Getty Images
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Re: “Secrets are things we give to others to keep

Postby Seamus OBlimey » Tue May 20, 2008 7:57 am

§ê¢rꆧ wrote:"'Intellectual property is the oil of the twenty first century" -Mark Getty, chairman Getty Images


Are we still allowed to quoth so?
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Postby barracuda » Tue May 20, 2008 1:04 pm

As someone who creates all kinds of things, I have a variety of needs when it comes to intellectual property. Some things were made to be given away (free birds, little butterflies that fly away, love), other things simply cannot function without protection and/or payment, and are how I put food on the table.

Disclaimer aside, there's certainly a better way. But it should be a matter of choice for the creator/owner. People who refuse to honor that choice are pirates, and pirates take their chances, but also get the bottle-o'-rum and the yo-ho-hos, so there's that, too.
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Postby compared2what? » Wed May 21, 2008 5:59 am

Things I was paid for creating are all over the internet and if anyone is making a dime out of them now, it sure as hell isn't me. The main reasons I have no problem with that is that I already got paid and am no longer in the business of creating things.

But if I were, I'd be at least a little ambivalent. Because a world of absolutely free content would also (and necessarily) be a world of absolutely no creations by me, for pretty much the same reasons Barracuda cites. Being tragically unprovided with independent income, I just wouldn't have enough time or energy for any creation that was worth not paying for if I weren't getting paid for it. And unless all things became as free as content was, there'd be no way of getting around it. I'd either have to expend my time and energy getting paid for something else, or I'd be too busy selling matches on a street corner and living in a cardboard box to care much about issues of creativity and copyright one way or the other.

I imagine that eventually a paradigm shift will make the whole question a non-issue. But however long the lag-time between the devaluation of creative work and the paradigm shift -- and it does look to me like there'll be one, if only because corporations are unlikely to let a once-in-a-lifetime chance to fuck the creative worker even harder than they get to do now slip through their fingers before they've gotten all they can out of it -- it's not going to be kind to anyone whose creative process is time-intensive. And that should matter to consumers, too, because it applies to enough people to mean a net decline in creatively valuable output, at least in the short term.
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Re: “Secrets are things we give to others to keep for us.”

Postby tKl » Wed May 21, 2008 9:31 pm

§ê¢rꆧ wrote:“Secrets are things we give to others to keep for us.”
--Elbert Hubbard

This thread will be my little corner, like thee kult leader's corner.



You wear a Pirate Bay T-shirt, don'tcha? I wish I had the $money$ to *buy* one.

How do you think I saw Iron Man? Yes, I bought tickets and sat in the theeater.

All my $$ goes to *pay-per-relevant-idea* message boards... cripes!

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Postby §ê¢rꆧ » Wed May 21, 2008 10:21 pm

Heh, no I don' t have a Pirate Bay T-shirt, but I sure would like one. I just thrift most of my clothes, because what they charge in thrift stores is about what clothes are worth to me.

I hear you Barracuda - I've made some of my living in the past working directly with creative works, and now moreso indirectly working in the 'support' roles of creative production (edting, web design, etc). Still... the idea that every single thing ever created can be made available to everybody at all times (ok everybody who can manage a fat pipe to the Internet, or at least patience and dial-up), is just very compelling. There may be something just a little backwards-thinking about creating 'artificial scarcity' for our media, instead of partaking in the bounty of limitless copying afforded us. That said, I'm all for more creator-controlled licensing, and enjoy the work and thoughts ofLawrence Lessig greatly.
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The Pirate's Dilemma

Postby §ê¢rꆧ » Sun Jun 22, 2008 7:02 am

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The Pirate’s Dilemma tells the stories of youth culture uncovering, for the first time, what it is that transforms underground scenes into global industries. Matt Mason, successful entrepreneur, argues that that from youth `culture, out on the edges of the mainstream, come the ideas that ultimately change the mainstream itself – whether it’s graffiti, piracy, hacking, open source culture or remixing. In the course of doing so he unravels some of our most basic assumptions about business and society and pinpoints trends to look out for in our future.


Be a pirate and download the book free at the author's site. (No, it's okay, really just put $0 in the dollar amount field, the author says so). I haven't read it yet, I'm still on fiction holiday, but I intend to.

I did watch thisshort video of a lecture he gave to industry giants like Disney...
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