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blanc wrote:Yet, as well as delight in malapropism and the like, how elitist should the site be? If someone can't spell, but has some insight or experience or opinion to offer, are they to be made to feel out of place?
JackRiddler wrote:blanc wrote:Yet, as well as delight in malapropism and the like, how elitist should the site be? If someone can't spell, but has some insight or experience or opinion to offer, are they to be made to feel out of place?
Oh no, not at all. Lots of greatness without proper spelling.
In English language teaching, the term "Saxon genitive" is used to associate the possessive use of the apostrophe with the historical origin in Anglo Saxon (also known as Old English) of the morpheme that it represents. This morpheme was an inflexional suffix marking genitive case. It has been suggested that the morpheme in Modern English has become a clitic similar to the forms such as 'm (as in I'm) or n't (as in don't).[1] This has been strongly resisted in a major reference grammar.
The final -s spelling of the personal possessive pronouns his, hers, ours, yours, theirs is not felt to represent a possessive morpheme. For this reason the words are spelled without apostrophes. However, the impersonal one is felt to combine with a possessive morpheme, so that the spelling one's is used. The possessive determiner corresponding to it is an object of widespread confusion. Standard practice is to use the spelling its, and to reserve the spelling it's for the contraction of it is or it has.
Some respected style guides such as The Chicago Manual of Style recommend the more modern addition of an s when forming the singular regular possessive of a noun ending in "s" but specifically state that adding simply an apostrophe (eg. Jesus') is also correct.[5]
The Elements of Style and the Canadian Press Stylebook hold that the s is mandatory with only two exceptions: classical and Biblical proper names (e.g. "Jesus' teachings", "Augustus' guards") and common phrases that do not take the s (e.g. "for goodness' sake"). In all other cases, it is incorrect to omit the s.
Standard practice is to use the spelling its, and to reserve the spelling it's for the contraction of it is or it has.
Hammer of Los wrote:I know this rule. It's the one my wife tries to pick me up on. Grammar has its own special charm;Standard practice is to use the spelling its, and to reserve the spelling it's for the contraction of it is or it has.
stephenmorgan wrote:Precriptivist grammar nazis, forcing their little foibles on good sensible folk who just want to communicate.
Hammer of Los wrote:stephenmorgan wrote:Precriptivist grammar nazis, forcing their little foibles on good sensible folk who just want to communicate.
I think you left an "s" out of "prescriptivist."
Stephen Morgan wrote:Hammer of Los wrote:stephenmorgan wrote:Precriptivist grammar nazis, forcing their little foibles on good sensible folk who just want to communicate.
I think you left an "s" out of "prescriptivist."
Possibly, or keep an open mind that I may have been purposely opposing the stultifying dictatorship of spelling which saw its advent in the English language with the arrival of printing.
Canadian_watcher wrote:Stephen Morgan wrote:Hammer of Los wrote:stephenmorgan wrote:Precriptivist grammar nazis, forcing their little foibles on good sensible folk who just want to communicate.
I think you left an "s" out of "prescriptivist."
Possibly, or keep an open mind that I may have been purposely opposing the stultifying dictatorship of spelling which saw its advent in the English language with the arrival of printing.
my daughter had that view when she was about 7.
I would say, "That's not the way that is spelled." and she would say, "Well, that is the way *I* spell it."
I was forced to explain that there were rules for these things that's she'd do well to adhere to. It's never fun to do that.
Stephen Morgan wrote:
And you imposed upon this glorious and innocent instinctual childhood knowledge with your oppressive, government-issued dictatorial spelling regime. You hideous monster! I know your sort, you just want everyone homogenised into a big grey lump, everyone walking in lockstep, wearing uniform, speaking Norman French or government-derived Indonesian and refusing to end sentences in prepositions because of obsolete and obscure rules of latin. That's the only thing that'll make you happy. The assertion of monopolistic control over language and thereby through proxy over thought. Don't bother denying it, you have tipped your totalitarian hand. Go back to France, linguistic authoritarian!
Canadian_watcher wrote:Stephen Morgan wrote:
And you imposed upon this glorious and innocent instinctual childhood knowledge with your oppressive, government-issued dictatorial spelling regime. You hideous monster! I know your sort, you just want everyone homogenised into a big grey lump, everyone walking in lockstep, wearing uniform, speaking Norman French or government-derived Indonesian and refusing to end sentences in prepositions because of obsolete and obscure rules of latin. That's the only thing that'll make you happy. The assertion of monopolistic control over language and thereby through proxy over thought. Don't bother denying it, you have tipped your totalitarian hand. Go back to France, linguistic authoritarian!
it's all true.. and sadly not the worst of it!
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