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I just want to send a public shout out to Twyla (who we don't see around here much anymore) and to Psynapz.

Do I believe any of this shit? No. Do I buy it and appreciate it? Indeed I do out of simple friendship with people I would have never met were it not for the awesomeness of the people of RI and my appreciation of the mysteries of the universe.

My chestnut tree was dying last year and I wedged a piece of the orgonite he gave me into the branches and it's been there all winter. I even started a thread about it. It is stronger than ever and there are so many little chestnut tree babies that I don't know what to do with them. But they are all hovered around the orgonite, near mother's trunk and I'm just letting them go for now.

Secondly and most importantly was a root that Twyla "charged" and gave me a number of months ago in a little red satchel. It was explained to me that this root (forgive me as I do not remember the name of it) was very useful in getting favorable outcomes when dealing with authority. Well, whatever it was, it worked too. I got off on my DUI. Which is basically unheard of anymore, due to "mandatory sentencing". Of course it took an additional $5.5k, however, even my lawyer was shocked at how easily the state bent. It took awhile -- 4 court dates over the last few months, but I took that root with me every time. Yesterday it ended favorably for me. Everyone I've spoken to is shocked. Was it the root? I do not know, but it worked.

Anyways, I wanna say, I ain't the most likable character here to some because of my propensity to "fucking speculate", but I would like to send out love to those mentioned above and to everyone else. Thanks for being here! None of this could have possibly happened without Jeff and all the rest and the love of essentially complete strangers.

All the best to all!

82_28

that's good news, nice to hear once in a while

82_28 wrote:Do I believe any of this shit? No. Do I buy it and appreciate it? Indeed I do out of simple friendship with people I would have never met were it not for the awesomeness of the people of RI and my appreciation of the mysteries of the universe.

My chestnut tree was dying last year and I wedged a piece of the orgonite he gave me into the branches and it's been there all winter. I even started a thread about it. It is stronger than ever and there are so many little chestnut tree babies that I don't know what to do with them. But they are all hovered around the orgonite, near mother's trunk and I'm just letting them go for now.

Secondly and most importantly was a root that Twyla "charged" and gave me a number of months ago in a little red satchel. It was explained to me that this root (forgive me as I do not remember the name of it) was very useful in getting favorable outcomes when dealing with authority. Well, whatever it was, it worked too. I got off on my DUI. Which is basically unheard of anymore, due to "mandatory sentencing". Of course it took an additional $5.5k, however, even my lawyer was shocked at how easily the state bent. It took awhile -- 4 court dates over the last few months, but I took that root with me every time. Yesterday it ended favorably for me. Everyone I've spoken to is shocked. Was it the root? I do not know, but it worked.

Well done.

You have just demonstrated the positive, actual benefits of a practical, thoroughgoing agnosticism. That is, openness to the possibility that anything you can imagine might be true. Perhaps it is one's attention that collapses the probabilistic quantum wave function of is or is not. We can wonder about the unknown without getting dogmatic about it, but it is intention and will that shape our destinies. With intention and will you can try to shape events to match your desire. It causes no end of trouble, to be quite honest. Will has got a lot to answer for.

Of course, this is dangerous knowledge. Some say suppressed.

On the subject of orgonite, or rather its "inventor," I read Reich's "Listen, Little Man!" when I was about fourteen. I found it mightily impressive, and extremely thought provoking. It was only many years later, that I found out more details of the author, and his life and work.

"Cloudbusting" always makes me cry.

Descartes said cogito ergo sum. Hume said where is the "I" to be found? He said there is a stream of thoughts that we identify as "ourselves" but no "I" is there, thought is ever changing. The past, our memories, our experiences, these are what we experience as "ourselves." We can identify memory as the function of the "I" to compare the unknown with what is known. Of course, memory has this useful function but it gets a little out of hand, the accumulation of desires and fears, the creation of habits, the inability to see the new without the image of the old, the creation of a limiting centre, and so on. The creation of the centre, the "I", limits consciousness, binds it and blinds it to the reality of the world, to the experience of clarity, truth, love and beauty.

Also, because "I" am the content of my consciousness, and the content of my consciousness is also "the world," therefore, "I" am "the world." Neither truly exist, but the bifurcation is brought about in consciousness through memory, habit, desire, fear. The world is in disorder, my consciousness is in disorder. To become aware of disorder is to bring about order. Therefore we must all pay attention to bring to light the disorder in the mind of man. Which means we must pay attention to discover the roots of disorder within our consciousness.

That is what at least some of us are doing here, I sometimes like to think.

The internet will help us to work this out, to cooperate as one, when we see clearly that your interest and mine coincide because we are not others, but the same. There is no other.

Of course some folk like to divide and conquer, to set man against man. Man must become wise to these tricks in himself and others, to see with clarity so that intelligence can bring about order.

I'm sorry. I shouldn't encourage the harmless pseudo mystics, should I?

And yes, I have been reading JK again.

You're welcome dude... I'm very glad to hear you've had some compelling shit happen around the orgonite. One can only pretend to explain, using Reich's orgone theory or perhaps something more quantum-scientific, why orgonite seems to do the thing it does, but it sure seems to.

I think its origin and overall nature is akin to the more or less accidental discovery of LSD, and the early stage of pure unknown of its potential, its limitations, or even the correct amount to use, which must have immediately followed the discovery.

Unfortunately in the case of orgonite, I struggle to dis-associate my understanding or appreciation of it with the doughebaggery which has surrounded its invention, naming/trademarking (oy) and promotion of how to make it yourself and why. Because after it all, there's still something compelling about the changes that occur on the scale and in the spectrum anticipated by the word-of-mouth on how it works and on what.

Also, not to say that orgonite is of a comparable significance to LSD, but I'm of the opinion that everyone on the planet needs to get their hands on a little bit of both.

Hammer of Los wrote:Well done.

You have just demonstrated the positive, actual benefits of a practical, thoroughgoing agnosticism. That is, openness to the possibility that anything you can imagine might be true. Perhaps it is one's attention that collapses the probabilistic quantum wave function of is or is not. We can wonder about the unknown without getting dogmatic about it, but it is intention and will that shape our destinies. With intention and will you can try to shape events to match your desire. It causes no end of trouble, to be quite honest. Will has got a lot to answer for.

^^^ Brilliant, thanks for saying this.

Hammer of Los wrote:The world is in disorder, my consciousness is in disorder. To become aware of disorder is to bring about order. Therefore we must all pay attention to bring to light the disorder in the mind of man. Which means we must pay attention to discover the roots of disorder within our consciousness.

That is what at least some of us are doing here, I sometimes like to think.

The internet will help us to work this out, to cooperate as one, when we see clearly that your interest and mine coincide because we are not others, but the same. There is no other.

Of course some folk like to divide and conquer, to set man against man. Man must become wise to these tricks in himself and others, to see with clarity so that intelligence can bring about order.

^^^ and this as well.

@ HoL

That was fantastic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, I dunno about the LSD part, psy. I basically rue the day I did LSD at an early age. My REALLLLLLY bad trip had a lot to do with the worsening of my anxiety disorder which I will have to live with the rest of my life. I always encourage people to not do LSD because you just do not know what you're getting or how your body is going to respond to it. I did it once and I was still marginally hallucinating for a couple years afterwards when in states of extreme anxiety.

I never encourage anyone who is not already set out to do something like that. No one but you should decide to investigate such avenues, or not, as it is. Done it a few hundred times over some fifteen years, was all worth it - the difficult ones as well as the pure joyful bliss ones. It really is just a tool, when you get to know it better - just like any tool people use for such pursuits, be it dancing, yoga, running or whatever - however, personally I think few things compare to cycling on acid. And I don't seem to suffer many ill effects, though that is of course debatable by the usual suspects.

Ingesting a powerful dose of a psychedelic drug is like strapping oneself to a rocket without a guidance system. One might wind up somewhere worth going--and, depending on the compound and one's "set and setting," certain trajectories are more likely than others. But however methodically one prepares for the voyage, one can still be hurled into states of mind so painful and confusing as to be indistinguishable from psychosis. Hence, the terms "psychotomimetic" and "psychotogenic" that are occasionally applied to these drugs.

I have visited both extremes on the psychedelic continuum. The positive experiences were more sublime than I could have ever imagined or than I can now faithfully recall. These chemicals disclose layers of beauty that art is powerless to capture and for which the beauty of Nature herself is a mere simulacrum. It is one thing to be awestruck by the sight of a giant redwood and to be amazed at the details of its history and underlying biology. It is quite another to spend an apparent eternity in egoless communion with it. Positive psychedelic experiences often reveal how wondrously at ease in the universe a human being can be--and for most of us, normal waking consciousness does not offer so much as a glimmer of these deeper possibilities.

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Hammer of Los, yeah:

You have just demonstrated the positive, actual benefits of a practical, thoroughgoing agnosticism. That is, openness to the possibility that anything you can imagine might be true. Perhaps it is one's attention that collapses the probabilistic quantum wave function of is or is not. We can wonder about the unknown without getting dogmatic about it, but it is intention and will that shape our destinies. With intention and will you can try to shape events to match your desire. It causes no end of trouble, to be quite honest. Will has got a lot to answer for.

I can agree with that.

You still need a "baseline" Gnomad. I knew people who were tripping perpetually -- always dropping A. But I was the one who got nervous that people were like putting it in my drinks and shit, putting it under my car door handles etc. Not a healthy way to live. I tend to think much deeper and all that and have been chided all of my life for doing so. However, when you're young, you just don't know who you are yet.

I'm thankful I did it, got it out of the way, as it were. But I certainly wish I never had to go through that. I wish there were a safer way to travel to that realm. I cannot begin to express how scared I was and what I went through.