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Postby Canadian_watcher » Tue Jul 05, 2011 6:23 pm

hey 82 -
wow that woman sure is determined! :D

Just to let you know I have not made the vid private yet. If they don't get back to me I won't. And if they get back to me and want me to do something else, or if they are snotty about it, I won't.

I've still got that card in play.

On reviewing the laws and precedents - let alone the 'evidence,' there's just no case for them to make. Still, I don't want to waste my time in a court battle at ALL. Court sucks. Plus my letter writing and video campaign already bore fruit. The road project wrapped up in only 5 days afterward. They even worked in the evenings and on a Saturday. Just shows you what a little fire under their behinds could accomplish.

In short, I got what I wanted. If he wants the video private he can have it. If he just wants to bully me some more he's going to have a fight on his hands.

I guess he's never heard of Officer Bubbles
I have a feeling he'll be "Dig'N'Dirt Guy" for the rest of his born days should he decide to take the bubbles route.
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Postby justdrew » Tue Jul 05, 2011 6:31 pm

Canadian_watcher wrote:hey 82 -
wow that woman sure is determined! :D

Just to let you know I have not made the vid private yet. If they don't get back to me I won't. And if they get back to me and want me to do something else, or if they are snotty about it, I won't.

I've still got that card in play.

On reviewing the laws and precedents - let alone the 'evidence,' there's just no case for them to make. Still, I don't want to waste my time in a court battle at ALL. Court sucks. Plus my letter writing and video campaign already bore fruit. The road project wrapped up in only 5 days afterward. They even worked in the evenings and on a Saturday. Just shows you what a little fire under their behinds could accomplish.

In short, I got what I wanted. If he wants the video private he can have it. If he just wants to bully me some more he's going to have a fight on his hands.

I guess he's never heard of Officer Bubbles
I have a feeling he'll be "Dig'N'Dirt Guy" for the rest of his born days should he decide to take the bubbles route.



The video could always be cross posted by others if need be.
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Postby Canadian_watcher » Tue Jul 05, 2011 7:56 pm

^ :lovehearts:
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Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:17 pm

Having worked on jobs like the one you describe, as a labourer for a contractor who was also much like the one you describe, I'd make an educated guess that the lawyer doesn't exist. In that line of work I saw the boss take offence at a customer/complainer more than once, and draw up ludicrous fake legal documents to intimidate them. Pretty much everybody at management level in construction work seems to believe that they are a criminal mastermind because they dodge a bit of tax and circumvent a building regulation every now and then.

The email will have the lawyer's name on it, but if you searched for that name on sites like Canadian Law List (http://www.canadianlawlist.com/) or Canadian Lawyer Directory (http://www.getlawyer.ca/) taking into account your region and town, I bet you wouldn't find it. By faking a lawyer's letter, this idiot has (allegedly) committed a bigger crime than you would have done if you'd been found guilty of "defaming" him - despite all the calumnies, villifications, traducements, etc. that you have brought upon his upright character. :lol:

I bet if you showed that lawyer's email to an actual lawyer they'd laugh too.

I wouldn't take it any further though. Just ignore the email and keep the vid public (on Youtube?). Nuffink he can do about it.

It's worth remembering, when you get a lawyer's letter, that lawyers must be registered to practice, and the register is necessarily a matter of public record (as it is with doctors). Anyone who's name isn't on it is a fake, and their correspondence should be wryly chuckled over then filed away for future chuckling.

Um, I assume that's the same in Canada anyway.
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Postby Canadian_watcher » Wed Jul 06, 2011 8:09 am

AhabsOtherLeg wrote: Pretty much everybody at management level in construction work seems to believe that they are a criminal mastermind because they dodge a bit of tax and circumvent a building regulation every now and then.


:lol2: I can see that ...

AhabsOtherLeg wrote: ... I bet you wouldn't find it. By faking a lawyer's letter,...


The lawyer indicated on the letter is a real lawyer, and the email address it is CC'd to is the right one for the lawyer, too. (It was sent to me by an assistant.) The reasons I thought it might be fake are the improper charge allegation (slander,) the fact that they didn't get my address right, and also because it came via email during the middle of the night at the end of a long weekend.

AhabsOtherLeg wrote:
I wouldn't take it any further though. Just ignore the email and keep the vid public (on Youtube?). Nuffink he can do about it.


that's my plan at this stage. we'll see what happens... :jumping:
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Postby justdrew » Sun Jun 23, 2013 9:42 pm

Stephen Morgan » 05 Jul 2011 10:48 wrote:
blanc wrote:I'd say get a bit of legal advice, but am doubtful that a company would take you to court on such a flimsy case. For one thing, court cases are expensive. Costs can be awarded if you win (they might not), but the person sued has to have enough assets to cover the costs at least to make it worthwhile, and the case could well backfire as very bad publicity for the construction company. The delays, rudeness, inconvenience, would all be aired publicly, attract possible press interest, and they'd look like bullies taking an individual with a justifiable complaint to court over something which could be settled by a little polite diplomacy. Wouldn't that lose them a lot of business?

Remember the McLibel case. MacDonalds, the global giant, spent a decade and millions of pounds hounding a couple of members of a Greenpeace splinter group with a combined net worth approximating zero for handing out leaflets containing "libelous" claims, and won. Although they were so embarrassed by it all that they forewent their compensation, which was a few grand. They had also been sued themselves, having accused the McLibel Two of lying, which was deemed to also be a potentially libelous statement.



Police infiltration of Greenpeace sparked Britain’s ‘McLibel’ scandal
By Paul Lewis and Rob Evans, The Guardian
Sunday, June 23, 2013 18:36 EDT

An undercover police officer posing for years as an environmental activist co-wrote a libellous leaflet that was highly critical of McDonald’s, and which led to the longest civil trial in English history, costing the fast-food chain millions of pounds in fees.

The true identity of one of the authors of the “McLibel leaflet” is Bob Lambert, a police officer who used the alias Bob Robinson in his five years infiltrating the London Greenpeace group, is revealed in a new book about undercover policing of protest, published next week.

McDonald’s famously sued green campaigners over the roughly typed leaflet, in a landmark three-year high court case, that was widely believed to have been a public relations disaster for the corporation. Ultimately the company won a libel battle in which it spent millions on lawyers.

Lambert was deployed by the special demonstration squad (SDS) – a top-secret Metropolitan police unit that targeted political activists between 1968 until 2008, when it was disbanded. He co-wrote the defamatory six-page leaflet in 1986 – and his role in its production has been the subject of an internal Scotland Yard investigation for several months.

At no stage during the civil legal proceedings brought by McDonald’s in the 1990s was it disclosed that a police infiltrator helped author the leaflet.

A spokesman for the Met said the force “recognises the seriousness of the allegations of inappropriate behaviour and practices involving past undercover deployments”. He added that a number of allegations surrounding the undercover officers were currently being investigated by a team overseen by the chief constable of Derbyshire police, Mick Creedon.

And in remarks that come closest to acknowledging the scale of the scandal surrounding police spies, the spokesman said: “At some point it will fall upon this generation of police leaders to account for the activities of our predecessors, but for the moment we must focus on getting to the truth.”

Lambert declined to comment about his role in the production of the McLibel leaflet. However, he previously offered a general apology for deceiving “law abiding members of London Greenpeace”, which he said was a peaceful campaign group.

Lambert, who rose through the ranks to become a spymaster in the SDS, is also under investigation for sexual relationships he had with four women while undercover, one of whom he fathered a child with before vanishing from their lives. The woman and her son only discovered thatLambert was a police spy last year.

The internal police inquiry is also investigating claims raised in parliament that Lambert ignited an incendiary device at a branch of Debenhams when infiltrating animal rights campaigners. The incident occurred in 1987 and the explosion inflicted £300,000 worth of damage to the branch in Harrow, north London. Lambert has previously strongly denied he planted the incendiary device in the Debenhams store.

Lambert’s role in helping compose the McLibel leaflet is revealed in‘Undercover: The True Story of Britain’s Secret Police’, which is published next week. An extract from the book will be published in the Guardian Weekend magazine. A joint Guardian/Channel 4 investigation into undercover policing will be broadcast on Dispatches on Monday evening.

Lambert was one of two SDS officers who infiltrated London Greenpeace; the second, John Dines, had a two-year relationship with Helen Steel, who later became the co-defendant in the McLibel case. The book reveals how Steel became the focus of police surveillance operations. She had a sexual relationship with Dines, before he also disappeared without a trace.

Dines gained access to the confidential legal advice given to Steel and her co-defendant that was written by Keir Starmer, then a barrister known for championing radical causes. The lawyer was advising the activists on how to defend themselves against McDonald’s. He is now the director of public prosecutions in England and Wales.

Lambert was lauded by colleagues in the covert unit for his skilful infiltration of animal rights campaigners and environmentalists in the 1980s. He succeeded in transforming himself from a special branch detective into a long-haired radical activist who worked as a cash-in-hand gardener. He became a prominent member of London Greenpeace, around the time it began campaigning against McDonald’s in 1985. The leaflet he helped write made wide-ranging criticisms of the company, accusing it of destroying the environment, exploiting workers and selling junk food.

Four sources who were either close to Lambert at the time, or involved in the production of the leaflet, have confirmed his role in composing the libellous text. Lambert confided in one of his girlfriends from the era, although he appeared keen to keep his participation hidden. “He did not want people to know he had co-written it,” Belinda Harvey said.

Paul Gravett, a London Greenpeace campaigner, said the spy was one of a small group of around five activists who drew up the leaflet over several months. Another close friend from the time recalls Lambert was really proud of the leaflet. “It was like his baby, he carried it around with him,” the friend said.

When Lambert’s undercover deployment ended in 1989, he vanished, claiming that he had to flee abroad because he was being pursued by special branch. None of his friends or girlfriends suspected that special branch was his employer.

It was only later that the leaflet Lambert helped to produce became the centre of the huge trial. Even though the activists could only afford to distribute a few hundred copies of the leaflet, McDonald’s decided to throw all of its legal might at the case, suing two London Greenpeace activists for libel.

Two campaigners – Steel, who was then a part-time bartender, and an unemployed postal worker, Dave Morris – unexpectedly stood their ground and refused to apologise.

Over 313 days in the high court, the pair defended themselves, with pro bono assistance from Starmer, as they could not afford to hire any solicitors or barristers. In contrast, McDonald’s hired some of the best legal minds at an estimated cost of £10m. During the trial, legal argument largely ignored the question of who wrote the McLibel leaflet, focusing instead on its distribution to members of the public.

In 1997, a high court judge ruled that much of the leaflet was libellous and ordered the two activists to pay McDonald’s £60,000 in damages. This sum was reduced on appeal to £40,000 – but McDonald’s never enforced payment.

It was a hollow victory for the company; the long-running trial had exposed damaging stories about its business and the quality of the food it was selling to millions of customers around the world. The legal action, taking advantage of Britain’s much-criticised libel laws, was seen as a heavy handed and intimidating way of crushing criticism. However, the role of undercover police in the story remained, until now, largely unknown.

On Friday, Morris said the campaign against the burger chain was successful “despite the odds overwhelmingly stacked against us in the legal system and up against McDonald’s massive and relentless advertising and propaganda machine.

“We now know that other shadowy forces were also trying to undermine our efforts in the most disgusting, but ultimately futile ways. All over the world police and secret agents infiltrate opposition movements in order to protect the rich and powerful but as we have seen in so many countries recently people power and the pursuit of truth and justice is unstoppable, even faced with the most repressive and unacceptable Stasi-like tactics.”
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Postby Canadian_watcher » Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:39 am

omh seriously? lol.. there wasn't a more appropriate place for that article?
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Postby justdrew » Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:53 am

was the main place I found good ol' McLibel mentioned.
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