"Are You Afraid Of The Truth"........

by **Dreams End** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 7:22 pm

slimmouse said: <blockquote>Quote:<hr> And hey, wanna know something ? I dont give a shit who these "Bankers" are. Black, white, Green, Christian, muslim, Jewish, Martian, or whatever. If the cap fits wear it is what I say. Its a pity that here is a proffession traditionally associated and dominated by one particular ethnic group though, because anyone who dares so much as mention the word, let alone rightfully mention the heinous activities they indulge in is suddenly cast down with the dirty anti semites.<hr></blockquote> LOL. You are hilarious. Self-satire at its best. Oh...about the links. Well, my actual motivation to post was to out Mr. Zundel here as being an associate of Richard Earley. That was why I was explaining about the links on the page. All the stuff I mentioned is on the front page of iamthewitness. So, these anti-Semitic comments on this site that Zundel linked to, plus it's registration with the same company as Judicial-Inc suggested to me that we have two sites that are closely associated. I was suggesting, therefore, that given Mr. Zundel's brief history among us, he was perhaps associated with Mr. Earley. His only response was, "The truth does hurt." So, here's a little summary: 1. Zundel posts his "how 'bout them Protocols of Zion" thread (now locked) 2. His next post is just a link. It is a link to an article which in the very first few paragraphs links to Judicial-Inc and starts doing that famous Nazi pasttime of "let's name the Jews." Then it blames all drug traffic for all times on the Jews. 3. The article that Zundel linked to is posted on iamthewitness, on the front page of which is another article linking to Judicial-Inc as well as a quote from Eustace Mullens. 4. The Kaminsky piece was also on the front page. Not so hard to find. 5. Then you guys came along and defended him. Okay, now is when you guys whine I'm taking away your freedom of speech.

by **michael meiring** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 7:24 pm

what has this got to do with the article by eric huffs... what has this got to do with the article linked to? As stated by a poster, a link from a link of a link? its the old, i got the horseracing tip from a friends brothers, uncles, fathers nephews window cleaner type information. I see the old smoke screen opening gambit being used by what seems to be the same people on here. digresing from the article, with links from links from links, does your debating style no favours. A bit like the half quotes taken, now i dont know if these quotes are taken from reliable sources if you fail to provide the specific link after numerous requests? what logical conclusion can one adopt under such circumstances?

by **slimmouse** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 7:27 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>LOL. You are hilarious. Self-satire at its best.<hr></blockquote> Whatever you do, dont look in the mirror, you might find me laughing at you. YOU come on here and suggest to me that Im being self satirical, when YOU are saying that YOU know who people are referring to when they talk about "Bankers" ! Staggering.

by **Sweejak** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 7:31 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>"I myself reserve judgement of zundel until he actually gives his views on articles one way or the other.<hr></blockquote>" that is shockingly open minded. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>"This Zundel just posted a now locked thread suggesting we all read the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. I'd ask us not to debate that particular document or this thread will get locked to, which I guess is okay, but not my intention. But I do point it out for general edification." <hr></blockquote> Oh yeah, we had a long, many pages debate about those that some even wanted to make a sticky, what happened to that thread?? <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Now Sweejak once to argue that I don't respond to articles. Okay, I'll play.<hr></blockquote> Oh NOW your responding, of course the FACT that you didn't and haven't is silly. No I don't want to ARGUE. Y'know you might want to reevaluate you S&M proclivities, some people sometimes don't want to play. Here's a quote from the article itself: <blockquote>Quote:<hr> Quote:Other people suspect Ruppert is a wolf in sheep's clothing who is trying to deflect attention away from the Zionists and onto the CIA, vice-president Cheney, and Peak Oil. Some sites think Mossad killed Gary Webb<hr></blockquote> Gee, seems true enough, I find that all over the web, your point was_______ <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Now, you can't see the hyperlinks in my cut and paste. I simply bolded the text but you can go back to the link and see it. Curious about his source of information on this blockbuster revelation, I clicked on the link. Hey, whaddya know, it's Judicial-inc, again.<hr></blockquote> Hey whaddya know, I told you what I think about judicial, but a question, is it true, I mean "Jewish blood", whatever that means? IS IT? I told you what I thought about "race" a long time ago, referenced a Sci Am article I believe. See DE, you point to something which mentions Jews and that's all you need. Rigorous indeed.

by **Dreams End** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 7:38 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>what has this got to do with the article linked to?<hr></blockquote> Umm...it's IN the article linked to. You know, where it says Webb was offed by the Mossad, then he links to Judicial-Inc and proves it by counting alleged Jews in south America. Do try to keep up. The rest of it was explaining the initial purpose of this post. By the way, your buddy Zundel just posted again on the Rivero fascist thread..referring to the Protocols again. really a one note Johnny, isn't he? And I'm sorry, slimmouse. I didn't REALLY think it was self satire, it's just that the two paragraphs contradicted each other so blatantly that one almost had to believe it was intentional satire...you know: I don't care what ethnicity the bankers are... ...too bad they're all Jews. I just thought it was funny that the point I was trying to make was that many anti-Semites use "banker" instead of "jews" and then, in the name of arguing against that, you went ahead and did it yourself. Just found it amusing.

by **Dreams End** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 7:47 pm

We are cross posting like crazy. Sweejak, I didn't see your last post...and most of it I don't understand. The whole race thing... <blockquote>Quote:<hr>"I myself reserve judgement of zundel until he actually gives his views on articles one way or the other.<hr></blockquote> So it is your opinion that Zundel posted this article because he DOESN'T agree with it? Was that a logical error on my part to assume that when someone posts just a link that they want to bring that info. to our attention? Anyway, let's see if I can clear this up. Bad man post article. I read article. Article says Mossad killed Gary. Article links to "proof". Proof is a list of alleged Jews or people married to Jews in South America. Proof is an unsourced allegation that Jews ran all drug trade since 1700's. That was the proof. Offered in the article. That Zundel linked to.

by **slimmouse** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 7:55 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>I just thought it was funny that the point I was trying to make was that many anti-Semites use "banker" instead of "jews" and then, in the name of arguing against that, you went ahead and did it yourself.<hr></blockquote> I wasnt attempting to argue against that at all. Im questioning why you, me or anyone else for that matter happens to equate Bankers with one particular race ? Why do you think that is ? because its false ? Im also saying that this is a pity, because, banking and usury are two of the biggest evils we face in this world today. And when people are allowed to suggest that anyone who is critical of the Banking Dynasties can be instantly banded as racist, this is precisely what the Banking industry is looking for ! Anyways Im done with this crap. This whole race thing is pathetic. Evil is evil is evil. Ive said that before. Religion is a divide and rule scam which elicits prejudices, insane paranoia on all fronts, and all of the rest of it. Time to move on to other less divisive and sensitive issues. Im with anyone here who hopes that in the interests of Justice, when the whole new fourth Reich ( US, UK, and Israel - whos common citizens to my mind are being played along with the rest of us ) come tumbling to the ground, that EVERYONE who deserves it gets it.

by **proldic** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 7:55 pm

I suppose Jeff has no choice but to let this go on and on and on forever. Sad for the board, and sad for parapolitics. Since it seems the sympathizers/defenders of fascism are in the majority here at RI, and coming at an increasing rate, and Jeff can't step in, I guess DE is going to have to devote the rest of his life to rebutting just this topic. Well, that will be just fine for some people, huh? Incidentally, notice how few racists are intellectually honest enough to just straight come out and admit once-and-for-all their prejudice? They act shrill, shocked, and non-plussed. They cry censorship. Then they proceed to parse and disemble everything they've said. Weasels. The more you hide, the more you show your craven side.

by **Dreams End** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 8:07 pm

slimmouse said this: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Im questioning why you, me or anyone else for that matter happens to equate Bankers with one particular race ?<hr></blockquote> after he said this: <blockquote>Quote:<hr> Its a pity that here is a proffession traditionally associated and dominated by one particular ethnic group though,<hr></blockquote> Hey...I'm stifling his free speech by quoting him. LOL. now proldic, don't worry about me. My responses here were not just in order to get these particular guys to sort of come out and declare themselves so I can refer back to this thread when they pretend not to be what they clearly are...but I've actually started doing quite a bit of research because of this, which I think will make for some interesting articles. I feel I 've learned a lot about this whole nexus of anti-semite, crypto fascist websites which pretend to be anti-Nazi while promoting every vile anti-Jewish innuendo that the Nazis used to justify genocide. And Jeff, if you wanna lock the thread, that's cool with me. I was just curious if these guys would come to Zundel's defense or not.

by **michael meiring** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 8:08 pm

dreams end. you accuse zundel of posting disinformation, even of being someone else? I thought that was banned on here? It seems clear to me that certain members seem in cohoots on this board. one feeding a link with half a dozen words, and one responding to the pre agreed question with his readily stored up ammunition. I will be looking at both you and zundels threads with increased skeptism from now on. The thread seems to have gone into a hysterical frenzy again. I find the religious and nationality finger pointing futile. The scoring points type of limited intelligence. to me it matters not what religion, ethnicity etc, but who actual done it. Am i missing some sort of crucial point here?

by **proldic** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 8:12 pm

actually you and qutb represent some hope in bleak times

by **Sweejak** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 8:15 pm

Yeah it might be good to slow down and take not of the combativeness. Ok, the top quote was by Meiring (I think) and I was responding to that. I do indeed think that it's an open minded thing to wait, slow down and give a new poster a chance to further his ideas, besides it's just good form, and no, I didn't really make any judgements about Zundels character or agenda with that one post, I did what is called "reserve judgement". <blockquote>Quote:<hr> Anyway, let's see if I can clear this up. Bad man post article.<hr></blockquote> That is your assumption, I did not assume "bad man" <blockquote>Quote:<hr>I read article. Article says Mossad killed Gary.<hr></blockquote> Article said "some say Mossad killed Gary". I look and see, it's judicial, you know my opinion. <blockquote>Quote:<hr> Article links to "proof". Proof is a list of alleged Jews or people married to Jews in South America. Proof is an unsourced allegation that Jews ran all drug trade since 1700's. That was the proof. Offered in the article. That Zundel linked to.<hr></blockquote> Yeah, agreed here, circumstantial at best. I set it aside. But when I read the article I see something different, I was most interested in the tactics Huff outlined, nothing really new here and I think his take is narrow, after all "some say" Huff is a plant. I made note of it and moved on, eh,,, well until I got sucked into yet another anti-semite phase on RI. The race mention was to remind you that I didn't consider race, in any event, a reason to smear anyone, in fact I think the whole concept is in need of revision... can I use that word? In fact I don't even see the Jews as a "race" so that part of the evidence seems a little meaningless to me altho it still has legs (uninvestigated) which might point to ruling families, elites and the like, even if they think they are Jews. This was done mainly so that I wouldn't be corralled into the anti-semite meme, and hence seems a little out of place. I don't have the article at hand right now. Has it ever occured to you that we have different styles? Different points we reach before we "draw lines" and pick fights?

by **Dreams End** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 8:27 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>you accuse zundel of posting disinformation, even of being someone else?<hr></blockquote> Well, if by "disinformation" you mean anti-Semitic propaganda such as the protocols....yes. That's not what I mean by disinfo. I'm not suggesting he's an agent of any government or anything...just that he has really noxious anti-Jewish beliefs. Accusing him of being someone else? You mean he IS Ernst Zundel? And you really ARE Michael Meiring? Geez... Anyway, I see your point here, and I think I owe Mr. Zundel an apology. Mr. Zundel, I can't think of anything more heinous than accusing someone of being Richard Earley. So even though I strongly object to your continued reference to anti-Semitic material, it clearly crosses a line to put you in the same company as the creator of Judicial-inc.biz. I apologize. I stand by my point, however, that he clearly runs in those intellectual (sic) circles and that those two websites are clearly related. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Am i missing some sort of crucial point here?<hr></blockquote> Yes.

by **Dreams End** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 8:31 pm

No, sweejak, the point is not that Huff's article relied on "circumstantial" evidence, the point was that he thinks counting Jews is any kind of evidence at all. The point was that he linked to an article blaming Jews for all the drug trade since the 1700's and SAW NOTHING WRONG with linking to such "evidence."

by **Sweejak** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 8:38 pm

Well for me the point was the types and ways infiltration and psy-ops, not the circumstantial evidence. See DE, we have a difference of opinion. I reserve the right to reserve judgement as well as the right to throw out stuff or file it away as I please. You know, open minded.

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