I think I made clear, for example, regarding the 28 quotes post that, though I strongly disagree with the point of view and also find that many of the quotes are out of context, etc, that that thread didn't deserve firepitting.
However, the fact that you used that poster and the IHR link shows not that you are a Nazi but that you haven't managed to sort out the tangled web of rightwing propaganda yourself. Well...plus folks were whining about how PSU is a "hate site" while ignoring links to real hate sites. We consistently get people here posting from sites so much worse than what was even alleged about PSU that it's really laughable to hear them whining about that.
And by the way, I posted there under the Dream's End name and also linked to there from my current blog post. So none of that was done in secret...just for the record.
You are a fascinating mix, chlamor, I have to say. I've read and written rather extensively about the intersection of rightwing and new age as well as the confluence of far right and far left forces on my blog.
What's fascinating is that within all that dark and murky ideology that you have discovered lurking 'neath the pastel colors of the New Age, there is almost always a "special" role for the Jews. In fact, as you certainly know, if you follow the line from Blavatsky you get to the Thule society etc and the very basis of Nazi "theology" for lack of a better word.
And the Nazis, as you know, based many of their actions both on this sort of spiritualized racism as well as conspiracy theories about Jewish domination of the planet. And even Hitler often used "Zionist" when talking of Judaism.
The history is very clear, and you are also fully aware that, while you yourself disavow the idea that Israel runs the U.S. and, thereby, much of the world (in the Madsen thread you suggested the U.S. was the "alpha symbiote"), that many theories about "zionism" including on the left, suggest just that...that Israel controls the U.S. I just watched Ray McGovern say exactly that on a youtube video...U.S. is Gulliver tied down by Lilliputian Israelis or some such nonsense.
(Dear anti-war movement: what part of "CIA" don't you understand?)
So what baffles me is not that you continue to hold anti-Zionist views, but that you seem to completely ignore the history of Jewish conspiracy theory. It doesn't make your views wrong...but when Jeff, for example, tries to make this distinction, you don't want to give any ground at all to him on this. His attempt to untangle the anti-Semite theory (and I'm sorry...that has come into conventional usage as any dictionary will tell you) from what he sees as simply criticism of Israel are met by you as if he is ending all discussion on the subject.
How often, and with no sense of irony, have threads gone on for pages and pages about how discussion of "Israel" isn't allowed on this forum. And if you look at threads like the 28 quotes you'll see that, in fact, it's usually just me who's complaining unless it spills over into overt anti-Semitism like yesferatu's rabbi picture. There are a number of threads where there are several "anti-zionists" and then me. Not saying this seeking pity...this is just a freaking discussion board after all...but to point out that there's really very little barrier to this material getting presented, though I wish people would search the archives so we don't have the exact same quotes and articles and arguments repeated as if they were something new.
MEANWHILE, people here really ARE posting pictures of someone or other standing with rabbis as if that proves anything. They ARE linking to Stormfront and Jewish Tribal Review. And in the past many other such sites have been brought in, such as "judicial-inc.biz" and others. Does it really hurt your position that much to acknowledge that there's a LOT of anti-Jewish garbage out there cluttering up a variety of topics of importance to this site?
It's a game that's been going on a long time. Put up an argument that "Zionists" run the world...get called on it...then retreat into the "oh, so now we can't criticize Israel?" fallback position.
I'll be honest, the only reason I come back around is on this topic is to provoke such posters into revealing the true extent of their belief system. I poke a little and tempers flare and then things get said which allow lurkers and other posters and especially Jeff to see what is so often really underneath the shifting definition of the term "Zionist." Then we get a little bit of a "market correction" so to speak and I think this helps preserve the integrity of this site which looks into stuff that is so often discredited by association with such garbage.
I'm not as good at it as another poster who was here for a short while, but it seems to work. Over and over again.
This is NOT what I think you are about, chlamor. But I do think it is dishonest of you to pretend like this sort of thinking is not prevalent...especially given your understanding of the whole Nazi new age connection. I find myself scrupulously trying to assure that my own writing about, MKULTRA say, is free of the taint of this kind of "blood libel" material, despite how much of it clutters the "mind control" literature. I would think that, in order to advance your perspective, you'd want to do the same with your own position...to draw clear lines, to acknowledge the harm that has been done in the name of "anti-Zionism" while pointing out whatever distinctions differentiate your own position from that garbage. So when you complain about Jeff's actions without acknowledging some of the posts that have occurred, it undermines your own credibility.
What I think about you...and I know you don't care but to explain my position...is that you drink from the same poison well...not that you are the poisoner. The link to Madsen for example. Madsen has come to be accepted by many on the left. He gets published at Counterpunch, but he peddles a lot of the same Larouchian garbage I'm talking about. I use Larouchian here loosely. Larouche is part of but not the entirety of, the sort of movement that is allying the left with ultra-nationalist rightwingers.
(this is not entirely new, by the way. Significant sectors of the fascist right were always admirers of Stalin, for example. They saw him primarily as a nationalist, and since some of the famous "purgees" in Russia were Jewish, they were even more enamored. Much of this history is covered in the bio of Francis Parker Yockey by Kevin Coogan called "Dreamer of the day". Summary can be read here:
http://ftrsummary.blogspot.com/2007/06/ ... oogan.html
Much of this hybrid is termed "third positionism" but my own view on that I've made very clear. Red plus Brown equals Brown.)
Speaking of Madsen, I will never understand the logic of "Yeah, he gets a lot of stuff wrong and exaggerates a lot, but that doesn't mean everything he says is wrong."
Yeah...and that champagne you have in front of you is only 10% horse piss. Bottoms up!
But despite not thinking you are some actual Nazi, I think it is still important to push back when people are inviting other people to drink from that poison well. You don't see that this is true of you, so you won't be real happy about it, nor will the other folks here who drink from it.
Look at that graphic up above. Look at how yesferatu can't seem to understand how bizarre it is to suggest I was criticizing the site for its anti-Zionist stand when its very masthead screams Jew this and Jew that, with the word "Zionist" only even showing up once.
You need to take an honest look at your fellow travelers. Many of them are not who they seem. If you come to RI you entering the waters of "deep politics."
I think you need swimming lessons.