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Re: scollon, pardon my ignorance

Postby antiaristo » Tue Jan 17, 2006 11:59 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Yes, that was a result of The Acts of Union of 1707.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>Huh? Are you saying they were <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>created</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> by the Act of Union?<br><br>I thought the Act of Union closed down the Scottish Parliament and merged it with Westminster, and left those other institutions untouched.<br><br>Then Mr Blair comes along and recreates the Scottish Parliament, while leaving the Westminster Parliament (Commons) untouched.<br><br>So Scotland is back to where it was pre Act of Union.<br>Meanwhile England has lost its parliament, and the English institutions are presided over by Scots!<br><br>Perhaps you missed this too<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>In Blair’s case he feels a worrying lack of respect for himself, well corroborated in opinion polls, and so he is trying to associate himself publicly with the idea of respect, in an unsophisticated kind of adman dog-whistling. In Brown’s case, he feels a worrying excess of Scottishness, well corroborated in opinion polls, which might well stand between him and No 10, so he is trying equally crudely to make us associate him with Britishness. He is fooling around with our national sense of identity to support his own personal crisis. <br><br>Scottishness is a nail-biting problem for Brown. Generally speaking most people in England quite like the Scots, even though they seem to hate us. Surveys show we find their accents suggest intelligence and reliability. Politically speaking, however, this easy affection is disappearing fast, as Brown is well aware. Devolution in Scotland and Wales — fought for and introduced by new Labour — has much undermined our common sense of Britishness and fostered instead a new and rather irritable sense of Englishness in the South. Meanwhile Scots feel more Scottish and less British than at any time since 1707, according to some surveys, led astray, possibly, by films such as Braveheart. <br><br>More importantly the English public is at last beginning to sit up and take notice of the famous West Lothian question — the problem first identified by the then MP for West Lothian, that Scottish MPs at Westminster can vote and carry the Commons on domestic policies such as education and health that don’t affect them or their constituencies. The government has increasingly relied on the Scottish vote to push through purely English legislation, against English votes, and yet the reverse is not true; English MPs have no say over comparable Scottish affairs. <br><br>This is obviously unfair, as is the fact that more taxpayers’ money goes to Scotland, per head, for public services than in England, following the old Barnett formula. Devolution has only made this long-standing injustice feel worse. <br><br>In response, a feeling of English separatism is growing; the English hardly need Scotland and Wales and would be much freer and richer without them. It is not only those on the far right, now, who complain of the number of Scots at Westminster and their undue influence. Devolution as of now is plainly unjust. Scottish MPs are overmighty and a Scottish prime minister at Westminster, post-devolution, would find himself in a false position. <br><br>Remarkably slowly England’s voters are beginning to wake up to all this. The higher their perception of it becomes, the lower will be Brown’s chances of arriving at long last at the summit of his smouldering ambition. So he has to persuade us somehow that he is not all that Scottish at all. No, he’s British. We’re all British (though this leaves out the awkward position of the Northern Irish, who aren’t exactly British.) He might even fly the Union Jack. But these questions are not going to go away. <br><br>There are ways of resolving them, of course. Why not try genuine devolution? Why not make the Commons English and only English? Why not create a new upper chamber to deal with matters British? But there is no personal incentive for Brown to promote any of that.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>It's from the Times and was reproduced in the Gordon Brown thread.<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMessage?topicID=2638.topic">p216.ezboard.com/frigorou...2638.topic</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: scollon, pardon my ignorance

Postby scollon » Tue Jan 17, 2006 12:32 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I thought the Act of Union closed down the Scottish Parliament and merged it with Westminster, and left those other institutions untouched.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Yes, that's what I meant.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>So Scotland is back to where it was pre Act of Union.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>That's not true as you know very well.<br><br>The reason for the Scottish parliament is because English mps dominate Westminster.<br><br>The reasons for the Barnett formula is the same as large countries contributing to the smaller ones through EU regional aid. There are no large Scottish companies left except the banks (the Royal is based in England) , Scotland has been raped and pillaged by the English for 300 years.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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IRISH AND SCOTTISH

Postby ir » Tue Jan 17, 2006 12:35 pm

Antiaristo, surely i heard of the famine, i also read Joyce and watched movies and read some about the troubles in IReland, for which I feel sympathy. I believe the world is basically aware of the role Britain is playing.<br><br>Scollon - <br>I didn't say YOU had spelling mistakes, I said those people I saw on that board/chat room had awful spelling mistakes. Maybe it was celtic they were writing...who knows. I wouldn't.<br><br>I took a quick glance at data, so Scotland has similar number of people as Israel. Lord Balfour, btw, is Scottish according to your official gateway website. <br>As for Findhorn, it is newage alright, but not Nazi, I hope (i'd have to wait for some research here showing me it was the local colonia dignidad of Masons and CIA). <br><br>You said - israel must be racist because the Jews survived for 2000 years. Apparently, your folks have a few hundred years more to become awfully racist as well, unless you all get nuked or intermarry fast. This was a stupid comment, you have had several such bad comments re Jews. It is not the most ancient culture to survive, there are older in India, and the PErsian area, and China. <br><br>I just remembered I actually LIVE in the Scottish neighborhood of my town, I have a scottish church/school next door and a beautiful mansion called "The Scottish House" as well. I'll remind myself to be careful lest some red headed freckled drunk Scot comes out to malign Jews. <p></p><i></i>
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This was a stupid comment

Postby scollon » Tue Jan 17, 2006 12:47 pm

It wasn't. Jews were spread round the world, the rest stayed in the same geographical location<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>As for Findhorn, it is newage alright, but not Nazi<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Are you saying you believe DE that new age people are nazis ??<br><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I'll remind myself to be careful lest some red headed freckled drunk Scot comes out to malign Jews. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>It would serve you right. I haven't had a drink for 15-20 years by the way. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: This was a stupid comment

Postby Dreams End » Tue Jan 17, 2006 1:07 pm

IR,<br><br>bit tired of being called names at the moment, so I'll just give you a few pointers for googling.<br><br>Try "third positionism" to start.<br><br>This is the attempt to bridge the "red/brown" divide, but is really just, as you discovered, a different flavor of fascism.<br><br>The National bolshevik party in Russia is an example (with branches in several countries.) There are others who operate under the banner of "anarchism" and even some third positionists within white nationalism.<br><br>Then you can post what you find and scollon can call you empty headed.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Third way

Postby scollon » Tue Jan 17, 2006 1:10 pm

is indeed fascist but isn't nazi or racist. <p></p><i></i>
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names

Postby scollon » Tue Jan 17, 2006 1:13 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>bit tired of being called names at the moment<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>You've called myself and others anti-semitic and nazis many times so put your handkerchief back in your handbag.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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spread around

Postby ir » Tue Jan 17, 2006 1:15 pm

So that makes the Jews specifically "racist" cause they survived spread around the world ? well...you'd need a whole lot more than that to justify singling the jews out. I don't know enough anthro, but quite sure there were other wondering tribes that survived, racist or not. the jews intermarried/mingled wherever they were, except Scotland...that should say something about the Scots.<br>--<br><br>I do think that many New Age theories/teachings have "nazi-like" components, and I don't know enough theosophy to say something specific about Blavatzky, but i tend to suspect people who "channell" elitist entities with access only to them and their close friends and those who pay them to get "the voice". <br>I also think that nazism was a combination of stuff, events, conjunction of historical/political/rleigious events and ideas leading to the product we know. But I also said, to the best of my knowledge the theosophists were staunch opposers of science/darwin, and so I don't think they count with suppoters of eugenics or social darwinism.<br><br>I see new age as a mixed bag, most of it charlatans, some are dangerous (the nine, physical immortality, various cults, ), they are conductors, wittingly or not, to very bad values and belief systems which bring about readiness to accept tyrrany and atrocities. Mysticism is always "beyond mores", transcends good/evil, which is why it is a bad POLITICAL compass. <br><br>but, most of the regular crowds that do meditation and yoga and "readings" are just people, some are good.<br><br>But certainly, your notions about Jews are biased and bigotted. I think it was you who claimed to be "holocaust revisionist"...emmm...I think it has to do more with pornography rather than politics, quest for truth or what not.<br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: spread around

Postby scollon » Tue Jan 17, 2006 1:28 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>So that makes the Jews specifically "racist" cause they survived spread around the world ? <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>No, you know perfectly well the Jewish tradition of marrying fellow Jews although that seems to be breaking down in the United States now. That's why it's discussed, Maybe it's a racist myth spread by Jewish comedians I don't know.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>to the best of my knowledge the theosophists were staunch opposers of science/darwin<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>That isn't true I'm afraid.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr> I don't think they count with suppoters of eugenics or social darwinism<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>That is true.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr> see new age as a mixed bag, most of it charlatans, some are dangerous <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>You don't know anything about it, do you ? Not a thing, only what Mr airhead DE has said.<br><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>But certainly, your notions about Jews are biased and bigotted. I think it was you who claimed to be "holocaust revisionist"...emmm...I think it has to do more with pornography rather than politics, quest for truth or what not.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Well, that's just filthy low life nonsense.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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low life who

Postby ir » Tue Jan 17, 2006 5:25 pm

You said you don't drink so I'll assume that much.<br><br>Jews look very much like the communities they lived in, that's how Yemenite Jews look like Yemenites (black, short) and Jews from Russia, like myself, look similar to Russian non Jews, etc. This means that Jews have married into the communities regardless of the rules you mentioned. the rules require a certain procedure, but I am quite sure this was not observed, as it is not observed now. I am quite positive there was the same percentage of assimilation (and "loss") of Jews to the local communities as is now the case in the USA. <br>It is true that a jew canot marry a none jew under religoius law. Same goes for Moslems and Catholics respectively. What is your point ?<br>I can't beleive I am even answering this crap. <br><br>Frankly, I don't see any specific objective data, rules, habits, whatever specific to Jews that makes this "community of communities" more racist than any other. The racist laws within the religion are worth revising, the sooner the better, but certainly they are adequate for their time of formation in antiquity. <br><br>As for new age, yes I agree to many of DE's descriptions on where these teachings have eventually led, and who is upholding them. Naturally, I don't think all the multitude of new agers are nazis. I see religions doing the same in many ways. one has to be watchful with "spirituality" new and old. My personal experience in life led me to question all of it, after a long winding and costly ride. So, for me, personally, the laws of my religion mean very little except as tradition/culture/memory, but that doesn't mean I'd "convert" to another equally irrelevant system, be it another religion or a new age 'belief system'. I am proud of the line of thinkers and skeptics revolutionaries visionaries and artists and ethicists in my community of origin. I don't feel any solidarity, though, on the national level. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: low life who

Postby Dreams End » Tue Jan 17, 2006 5:36 pm

Don't argue, IR. Scollon knows far more about Jews than either of us. Only Makow exceeds him in knowledge of the secret inner workings of the Jews. And I'm sorry if I called you a nazi, Scollon. Should have read fascist. I'll correct the post if I find it. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: low life who

Postby scollon » Tue Jan 17, 2006 5:45 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I can't beleive I am even answering this crap<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I don't care if you're a Jewish retard or a Zulu retard, you're still a retard and mixing up the whole story. <br><br>Not as much of a retard as little barbie girl DE but in the same ball park<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>As for new age, yes I agree to many of DE's descriptions on where these teachings have eventually led, and who is upholding them. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Yes, but neither of you would understand a single sentence of Blavatsky or Bailey because you're stupid. Try it. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=scollon>scollon</A> at: 1/17/06 2:52 pm<br></i>
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Re: low life who

Postby Dreams End » Tue Jan 17, 2006 6:02 pm

Scollon,<br><br>Doesn't embarrass you to talk like that. I mean "retard"? "You're stupid"?<br><br>If I'd known you were only 10 years old I never would have responded in the first place.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: low life who

Postby scollon » Tue Jan 17, 2006 6:18 pm

Sorry, it's true, you only have one argumnt you've used time and again and that is to call me antisemitic and insult me. The fact you believe DE on the new age stuff despite knowing nothing about it means you are exactly as charged.<br><br>He/she really is stupid. He uses associative thinking which is the same hole every conspiracy theorist falls down. Gorbachev plays golf, so did Alice Bailey therefore .... Yes he is almost that silly.<br><br>Now go and research the age old subject of racial and religious Jewery.<br><br>I actually couldn't care less to be honest, I was only stating the position of the British left. I don't support the Palestineans in any fundamental sense because I'm sure they could be just as evil as Israeli Jews given a chance. I'm sure Scottish people could be too. It's just a question of looking at things the way they are.<br><br>Anti-semitic, I don't think so. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: low life who

Postby Dreams End » Tue Jan 17, 2006 7:33 pm

I love your display of wit, there scollon. You've yet to counter a single statement with anything more than "Is NOT!". <br><br>Your mommy is calling. It's time for milk and cookies. Now go away and leave this forum to the grownups.<br><br>Back to the original topic, here is a link to a "webring" of self-professed third way groups. Whoever is interested can check out the links and puzzle out what similarities may be there. <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://c.webring.com/hub?ring=smashthesystem">c.webring.com/hub?ring=smashthesystem</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br><br><br> <br><br> <br><br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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