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Secret Societies

Postby antiaristo » Tue Jan 17, 2006 8:42 am

DreamsEnd,<br>Thank you for your reply.<br><br>I asked about secret societies on your list for this reason.<br>You have over 1200 posts on this board.<br>You display considerable erudition on some subjects.<br>You express continuous concern over the Fascists who rule us.<br>You cite secret societies as on your list as party to ruling the world.<br>But you know nothing about them.<br><br>Strange, eh? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: New Age

Postby Dreams End » Tue Jan 17, 2006 11:56 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I have read your comments on New Age and the way you make massive sweeping statements. Your knowledge and understanding of that subject is considerably less than Makow's about Judaism. He is of Jewish descent.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>That's interesting. Why does he rely TWICE on Texe Marrs for his "insight" into Judaism. Check out this expert on Judaism at his website<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.texemarrs.com/">www.texemarrs.com/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>So why is "jewish descent" Makow relying on this end-times, fundamentalist Christian for his information on Judaism? Doesn't that strike you as just a tiny bit...odd? <br><br>Another authority is Des Griffin. Didn't find much rabbinical training on Mr. Griffin's site either. More Christian fundamentalism.<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.midnight-emissary.com/">www.midnight-emissary.com/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Please, scollon, take a nice long look at these "sources" for Makow. You really want to associate with someone who relies on sources like that.<br><br>Oh wait, I see his list of publications. OH....nevermind. I see you'll have no problem accepting Mr. Griffin. He has all kinds of valuable books for sale. Let's take a look!<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>R-197 THE INTERNATIONAL JEW - 4 vol. set - $40.00 <br><br>By Henry Ford <br>Back in print for the first time in years. This 4-volume set contains the full text of the articles on the subject of the International Jew published in the Dearborn Independent by the famous auto pioneer in 1919<br><br>VHS-51 HOLOCAUST MYTH CRUMBLING (120 minute Video) by David Irving $20.00<br><br>Videotaped in Portland, Oregon, on October 10, 1994. The famous British historian tells of his continued research into the "Nazi Holocaust" (the alleged systematic annihilation of six million Jews) in the 1940s and the tremendous opposition and persecution he has experienced as a result. Irving relates how massive worldwide efforts to discredit his startling and thoroughly documented findings are steadily crumbling under the devastating weight of truth. <br><br>G-151 ISRAEL: OUR DUTY . . . OUR DILEMMA by Ted Pike $13.00<br><br>How will you respond to the next mid-east war? If you are like most Americans you will react as the pro-Zionist media has programmed you to react. But if you have read Israel: Our Duty...Our dilemma you will see the whole picture how Israel's ruling elite are using terrorism, Holocaust sympathy, twisted Bible verses toward one objective: Power. Power in America. Power in the Middle East. Power in the world. Distilling 14 years' research in semi-secret Jewish sources, Pike demonstrates that through Kabbalistic occultism, international banking, communism, liberalism, and media control, Israel is doing exactly what the Bible prophesies: establishing a power base in the Middle East upon which her false messiah, AntiChrist, will someday rule.<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.midnight-emissary.com/jews.htm">www.midnight-emissary.com/jews.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Etc. ad nauseum. <br><br>You'll have to debate antiaristo on Masonry. I don't actually think they are a huge, conspiracy ruling the world, as I mentioned. Also as I mentioned, however, the P-2 lodge in Italy was more than enough evidence that some aspects of the Masonic network have been up to no good. <br><br>As for Blavatsky...really hard to respond to such vague pronouncements such as you offer. I think "Did not! Did too!" is not much of a debate. Her theories on "root races", including the current age of the "Aryans" were central to Thule society type mythology. But I've written about that in great detail...<br><br>But you keep reading your Makow. <br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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DE

Postby scollon » Tue Jan 17, 2006 12:26 pm

I said in this thread Makow was half mad just like I think you are.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Her theories on "root races", including the current age of the "Aryans" were central to Thule society type mythology<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>That's true but if you were capable of simple logical deduction.you would understand what I told you earlier , namely the fact that someone misunderstood Blavatsky and turned it into nazism is not necessarily a reflection on her. The theosophical society doesn't advocate eugenics.<br><br>Where are those nazis again ? <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=scollon>scollon</A> at: 1/17/06 9:34 am<br></i>
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Re: DE

Postby Dreams End » Tue Jan 17, 2006 12:44 pm

Scollon said:<br><br> <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Your knowledge and understanding of that subject is considerably less than Makow's about Judaism.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr> Your knowledge and understanding of that subject is considerably less than Makow's about Judaism.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br> <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Your knowledge and understanding of that subject is considerably less than Makow's about Judaism.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Then I asked you why he relies on Fundamentalist Christians for his "info" on Jews.<br><br>half mad or not...that was your comment. <br><br>Thule did not misunderstand Blavatsky...that was my point. You haven't shown otherwise. They understood her quite well. <br><br>And I'm sorry I'm not as smart as you....<br><br>At least I know what ad hominem means. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: DE

Postby scollon » Tue Jan 17, 2006 12:51 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Then I asked you why he relies on Fundamentalist Christians for his "info" on Jews<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>It's because they're anti-semitic, that's why. He is Jewish or so he says.<br><br>Makow is lost in is own nebulous conspiracy world. London, Jewish bankers and masons without one single reference to modern reality. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=scollon>scollon</A> at: 1/17/06 9:58 am<br></i>
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Re: DE

Postby scollon » Tue Jan 17, 2006 12:54 pm

The reason I'm comparing you to Makow is that you haven't produced evidence of real life nazis. The only one I can think of is Michael Ruppert who used to be an LA cop, big surprise !! <p></p><i></i>
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Re: DE

Postby Dreams End » Tue Jan 17, 2006 1:00 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Makow is lost in is own nebulous conspiracy world. London, Jewish bankers and masons without one single reference to modern reality.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>At least we agree on something. <br><br>As for fascist new age...I've had too many posts on that to reproduce here. No one is forcing you to read them...but don't complain that they aren't there. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: DE

Postby scollon » Tue Jan 17, 2006 1:08 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>As for fascist new age...I've had too many posts on that to reproduce here. No one is forcing you to read them...but don't complain that they aren't there. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I've seen them but they don't touch actual people advocating anything remotely nazi. You are making assumptions and inferences. If you talked about the Rockefellers and eugenics, nazism you are on more solid ground. That's why I said New Age people are being lead where they wouldn't want to go.<br><br>They are supporting ideas that could indeed be used as justification for hidden mass murder like DU, AIDS, bird flu and whatever else they have up their sleeves in the future.<br><br>The ideas being environmentalism which may have been funded by the Rockefellers from day one from what I heard recently (to keep competitors from drilling and building refiniries).<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: DE

Postby Dreams End » Tue Jan 17, 2006 1:41 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I've seen them but they don't touch actual people advocating anything remotely nazi. You are making assumptions and inferences. If you talked about the Rockefellers and eugenics, nazism you are on more solid ground. That's why I said New Age people are being lead where they wouldn't want to go.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>guess you haven't read too carefully.<br><br>The Rockefeller/eugenics/world-is-ending-so-better-kill-off-bunches-of-folks-to-head-off-calamity theme has been a big one for me. And the Rockefeller influence on the New Age movement has also been a huge point for me as well. In fact, it's strange you missed it. Consider that Maurice Strong is a Rockefeller associate and has a new age "commune" and is a big influence in New Age circles. Add to that the money given by Lawrence Rockefeller to groups studying "crop circles" and "alien abductions" and I think you have some real strategies in place to spread a certain kind of message. so if Rockefeller qualifies for you as "nazi" then you've answered your own question. In sum, I have overtly and repeatedly and clearly said that those advocating a population reduction scheme are manipulating new age thought to justify such schemes. It has been at the heart of much of what I've written. <br><br>In my posts I've also expressed uncertainty (something you should look into acknowledging) as to exactly how all this lines up. If you notice there are many on the far right who attack Rockefeller and there is much opposition to "globalism" from overt fascist movements. Does this mean there is a real distinction between Rockefeller style globalism and fascism? Well, certainly the latter wants to emphasize nationalism over internationalism, but even the Russian fascist Dugin is advocating more of a "regionalism" than pure nationalism. So, is this a false dichotomy, real difference, or simply tactical differences among various powers? I'm not sure. Since fascism has typically been defined in part as militant nationalism, can there be such a thing as "international fascism"? That's what the Rockefeller types would want...but maybe fascism isn't the correct term. <br><br>I've also written extensively about "the nine" and their message, coming from Blavatsky/Bailey material and finding it's way into all kinds of new Age circles. the guy who was always around to channel the nine had overt intelligence ties. And I've written about all of strange places the message of the Nine continues to re-emerge. And it was these messages, in part, that led SRI to go digging around in Egypt looking for lost ancient records. Yes, the military lab/remote viewing SRI. the Scientologist led SRI. All going back to a questionable "history" of the world that depends on "catastrophism" or the idea that human history is primarily shaped by global catastrophes, each one ushering in a new "root race". <br><br>The whole "space brothers theme" has clear fascist roots. George Adamski, one of the first "contactees" in the 50's was part of the overtly Nazi "silver shirts". Noted UFO researcher Jacques Vallee encountered some clear evidence of state/fascist manipulation of the UFO phenomenon. <br><br>I've also written on David Icke's "evolution" from hunting Jews to hunting reptilian aliens. My posts on Icke are always real popular around here.<br><br>the point is not that all new agers are nazis, though you like to have fun pretending that this is the point so you can score cheap points with vapid one-liners. The point is that the New Age movement is being manipulated by (and portions even started by) those with direct ties to intelligence agencies and Rockefeller types. And yes, some of it has direct Nazi roots. Shambhala, indeed.<br><br>I don't know exactly where the lines of demarcation are. You get something like Gorbachev's "State of the World Forum" which features all sorts of new age celebs...and Gorbachev's connections to Esalen (see the posts on Sarfatti) and that whole nexus. Are they "fascists"? Well, maybe that's the wrong label, but I see them as part of the same Rockefelleresque globalist movement. <br><br>But I've expressed this same uncertainty before, as to exactly how the players line up. That was to invite discussion...but primarily I simply receive uninformed attacks. <br><br>And I've found your own posts to consist of neither argument, evidence or analysis. Just stupid one-liners and ad hominem attacks. <br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: DE

Postby scollon » Tue Jan 17, 2006 1:47 pm

Interesting but nowhere as coherent as Makow. You don't have a case, it's all inference for conspiracy theorists who want to jump to their own conclusions.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>And I've found your own posts to consist of neither argument, evidence or analysis. Just stupid one-liners and ad hominem attacks.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>That's pure cheek coming from a known sex offender <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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German Jews vs. Eastern European Jews

Postby starroute » Tue Jan 17, 2006 2:14 pm

I'd like to try hauling this discussion away the Scots (red hair, cute freckles, and all) and back to something like its original topic.<br><br>One think I never see mentioned when people start spinning conspiracy theories about "the Jews" is that most of the figures being discussed -- from the 19th century bankers to Leo Strauss and Henry Kissinger -- are German Jews. They're not Eastern European Jews.<br><br>There's a big difference, especially in the United States. The German Jews had benefitted from the Enlightenment sufficiently to find places in mainstream German society, so that when they came to the US in the middle 1800s, it was already with some degree of wealth and status. The Guggenheims and other prominent names are from that group.<br><br>When Jews from Russia and the Austro-Hungarian Empire started arriving in large numbers in the 1890's, the old-money Jewish families weren't at all happy about it. The new arrivals were fresh out of the shtetels, not yet adapted to modern culture, and often attached to radical political notions. The earlier German-Jewish arrivals condescended to them at best and felt embarrassed by them at worst. The new immigrants, stuck in the slums and the sweatshops, were resentful and suspicious.<br><br>Now, all I know about this is merely what I picked up around the edges as a kid. My great-grandparents may have known the details, but my parents certainly didn't. By the 1950's, all that was left was a certain lingering set of animosities -- and even those were considered the sort of dirty laundry you didn't wash in public. But it does raise questions in my mind.<br><br>As one example, the Rothschilds bought up a lot of land in what is now Israel, but I don't recall that any of them actually settled there themselves. What were the national origins of the actual founders of the Israeli state and how did that affect their political allignments?<br><br>For another, my recollection of Koestler's book on the Jews and the Khazars -- and it's been enough years since I read it that I could be wrong -- is that he considered that German Jews were "real" Jews, while the Jews of Eastern Europe were Khazars and therefore some sort of interlopers. (A theory thoroughly demolished by recent DNA studies, I should add.) <br><br>At any rate, my point about the "Jewish banker" conspiracy theories is that if there is any hint of truth in them, it points to a very small, fairly inbred set of wealthy German-Jewish families that tried to make its way in mainstream society by the usual method of toadying up to the Christian elite while spitting on its Galitzianer and Littvak cousins. And if Jews in general weren't so paranoid as to feel it was more important to show a united front than to clear the record, this might all have been worked through a long time ago.<br><br>Like all conspiracy theories, this one is most plausible if you keep it to a small set of people who have known each other all their lives and are frequently married to each other's sisters. (Like today's Neocons, for example.) Any theory that posits heavy-duty conspiracies among near-strangers just doesn't take account of human nature.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: DE

Postby scollon » Tue Jan 17, 2006 2:34 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>the point is not that all new agers are nazis, though you like to have fun pretending that this is the point so you can score cheap points with vapid one-liners. The point is that the New Age movement is being manipulated by (and portions even started by) those with direct ties to intelligence agencies and Rockefeller types. And yes, some of it has direct Nazi roots. Shambhala, indeed.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>They aren't nazis at all. Shambhala isn't nazi and there you show your ignorance of the subject. Yes they are being manipulated as I said and I don't want anything to do with it. Yes figures like Gorbachev and Strong are the link, New Agers are vulnerable to these people because they have been set up by Alice Bailey's world view.<br><br>We aren't that far apart but calling the new age movement as it is nazi and fascist will get you laughed at more or less everywhere -. <p></p><i></i>
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starroute

Postby ir » Tue Jan 17, 2006 5:35 pm

you are barking at the wrong tree. all those regional divisions in trying to spot the "wrong Jews" as if they'd be wearing a special mark. <br>generally, the Jewish mafia is Ashkenazi (although they have new additions now from Israeli Mizrahi Jews in the USA), as any community based Mafia it prefers familiar ties/family connections . Its like tryng to map the Italian varius mafia families/regions. Its a loose map, but you'd have to know more about the business ties. I'd say, that since the formation of Israel there have been some changes and "mob wars" with Israelis trying to take lead in certain trades and zones of inluence. <br>Mafia is mafia, its hard to pin down. I think it has litte to do with "beliefs" or sects in terms of practice, or ideological divisions nowadays. it would require expertise ad very careful study to find the Jewish and/or Israeli mafia 'tree' or 'trees'. I hope this is what PDScot has been working on in his new book. Namey, a more specific work. Certainly assiging a genetic or supernatural or religious blemish to all Jews is reprihensible, IMHO. <br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: starroute

Postby Dreams End » Tue Jan 17, 2006 5:59 pm

Blavatsky provided a much-appreciated antidote to Darwin even as she was brazenly appropriating (and reversing) his theory of evolution. As bizarre as here theories appear today, they were actually quite briliant for her time, for they enabled intelligent and educated men and women to maintian deep spirutual beliefs while simultaneously acknowledging the inroads made by scientific research into areas previously considered beyond the domain of mere human knowledge. Blavatsky outline a map of evolution that went far beyond Darwin to include vanished races from time immemorial through the present imperfect race of humans, and continuing on for races far into the future. Based on an idiosyncratic selection of various Asian scripture--including a few she made up herself-- The Secret Doctrine's message would later be picked up by the German occultists, who welcomed the pseudoscientific prose of its author as the answer to a dream. The smug and condescending attitude of scientists and their devotees toward the "unscientific" had proved contagious among many in the newly created middle class, and mystics began to satisfy the requirements of science in what are patently unscientific (we may say "nonscientific") pursuites. Modernism in general was seen as being largely an urban, sophisticated, intellectual (hence "Jewish") phenomenon, and this included science, technology, the Industrial Revolution, and capitalism. The only wholesome lifestyle was that of the peasant on his "land," and the naive beliefs of the people of the land, the paganus or pagans--with their sympathetic magic and worship of ancient gods in the form of such superstitious practices as fertility rites, the lighting of bonfires on particular days sacred to the old calendar, and the whole host of cultural traditions that can be discovered by consulting Fraziers The Golden Bough--were set up in opposition to "science," with its suspect lack of human warmth and its cold indifference to the "gods".<br><br> Science in its hubris was treading dangerously close to the territory claimed by religion (the orign of life, the creation of the universe, even the existence of God), and in order to get there it would have to dance a jig all over the occult "sciences." Science still smarted from the religious furors caused by Galileo and Copernicus; so rather than mount an all-out attack on God, it was a lot safer to conduct a rearguard action and go after the ghosts.<br><br> But then along came Blavatsky, who took new scientific attitudes as they were popularly understood and gave them a mystical twist. Taking here cur from Darwin, she popularized the notion of a spiritual struggle between various "races", and of the inherent superiority of the "Aryan" race, hypothetically the latest in the line of spiritual evolution. Blavatsky would borrow heavily from carefully chosen scientific authors in fields as diverse as archaeology and astronomy to bolster her arguements for the existance of Atlantis, extraterestrial (or superterrestrial) life- forms, the creation of animals by humans (as opposed to the Darwinian line of succession), etc.<br><br> It should be remembered that Blavatsky's works--notably Isis Unveiled and The Secret Doctrine--appear to be the result of prodigious scholarship and were extremely convincing in their day. The rationale behind many later Nazi projects can be traced back--through the writings of Von List, Von Sebettendorff, and Von Liebenfels--to ideas first popularized by Blavatsky. A caste system of races, the superiority of the Aryans (a white race with its origins in the Himalayas), an "initiated" version of astrology and astronomy, the cosmic truths coded within pagan myths ... all of these and more can be found in the ideology of its Dark Creature, the SS. It was, after all, Blavatsky who pointed out the supreme occult significance of the swastika. And it was a follower of Blavatsky who was instrumental in introducing the Protocols of the Elders of Zion to a Western European community eager for a scapegoat. [Levenda doesn't say here who the Blavatsky follower that was responsible for introducing the Protocols to the Nazi Party Inner Circle is. It was the Estonia/Russia born Alfred Rosenberg later to be known as the "Philospher" of the Party, author of the mystical Myth of the Twentieth Century which rivaled Mein Kampf in its importance on Nazi Dogma. Rosenberg later was Publisher of the Party's Official Newspaper and Reichminister for the conquored Soviet Eastern Territories, as well as one of the principal defendants at the Nuremberg War Crime Trials].<br><br> Unholy Alliance<br> A History of Nazi Involvement with the Occult<br> Peter Levenda<br> Avon Books, 1995 <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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destrying everyone's problem-tree

Postby sceneshifter » Tue Jan 17, 2006 9:51 pm

<br><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:gray;font-family:helvetica;font-size:medium;">guys, guys - it is the big picture which kills you - it is the big picture which exists and affects you - it is the big picture which comes through your mailbox in the form of a draft into the next vietnam, the big picture which comes through your roof in the form of a bomb, or through your window in the skyscraper where you work, in the form of a plane, or through your body in the form of the next ford pinto incineration, or through your body in the form of a bullet from a pissedoff robbed underpaid crim, or in the form of a driveby shooting or unibombing or terrorist attack, or which comes through your bank balance in the form of underpay and overcharging, pricegouging, profiteering, etc and through your brain in loss of pleasure in life, in mental disease, in fear, in disgust, in despair<br><br>you are having an earnest discussion about the meaning of the vibrations you can feel in the iron you have your ear to, and i am telling you that it signifies you are standing on a railway line, and what to do to save yourselves from receiving an express train in the small of the back and all over you <br><br>from the points you are discussing, i drew a useful conclusion, a conclusion you can USE in your real situation, a lesson you can apply to protect yourselves and expose yourselves to a lot more pleasantness and less unpleasantness - <br><br>you can try to pierce the veil thrown over the particular example of one of the many schemes of the overpaid and overpowerful which trample you on their way to increased theft and tyranny - that is a tiny tiny part of the big picture that will hurt you, that is hurting you, that has hurt you in many many ways - <br><br>you know you cannot solve the mysteries of the tiny subject you are focussing on - i showed you you can draw the conclusions that can improve your situation enormously - it would give you some pleasure to solve even one of the veiled mysteries of this subject - but that will make an insignificant difference to your situation - whereas you can draw a conclusion from it, a lesson from it, a moral from it, that can improve your situation 100-fold - stop those drafts coming through the post, those bombs through the roof, the job worries that cause so much stress and mental disease, the dangers from violence from inside and outside your home and community<br><br>you, and everyone else, are being trampled by giants - everyone has been being trampled by giants daily for centuries - everyone will be trampled by giants daily till the end of the world or until you use your power to destroy them - you have the means to destroy those giants - that is what i am saying, in case it hasnt been clear - <br><br>maybe you think it is too hard to get rid of them - but getting rid of them is the problem, and solving the puzzles of this tiny tiny part of the big picture is not going to make any difference - if you could solve them - and what are the chances of that, when the giants are holding the veil? - i am saying you cannot succeed at what you are doing; if you do succeed, it will not alter your terrible situation, and on the other hand, you can immediately draw conclusions from the subject you are discussing that will make an enormous improvement in your situation, will lead to action that will make a difference - the fun of the chase, the difficulties of what you are trying to do has fascinated you, distracted you from remembering your situation, your real problem - giants - you are absorbed so in the problem of what is the quality of the steel under your nose that you are selfblinded by that absorption from the key point - you are on a railway line and that is a train bearing down on you - and on everyone, rich and poor, 'powerful' and 'powerless' - i put those words in quotes because the socalled powerful are being trampled too, and you have the power to effect a change in your situation - were the powerful powerful enough to avoid disaster? - hitler, kings, popes? - their power attracted danger - their danger grew with their power - overpay/overpower does not a happy chappy make - <br><br>if you lived in a village where everyone worked, but some imp or something had redistributed the wealth extremely unfairly, you would understand that you are in a bad situation - violence and disturbance are everywhere - you ARE living in such a village - trying to dig out the details of the way the overpaid in that village are using the overpower that overpay gives them IS NOT USEFUL - and it is dangerous - you are getting close to the giant boot that is trampling everyone - i say you can do something from a position of safety to improve your and everyone's situation<br><br>i am or am not an egotist - i am or am not right - i may be an egotist and right - i may be not an egotist and wrong - and so on - but what counts is whether i am right or wrong, not whether i am or am not an egotist - dont dismiss me because you conclude i am an egotist - dismiss me because you conclude, thoughtfully and seriously and selfcaringly, that i am wrong<br><br>SOMETHING GOOD CAN COME OUT OF YOUR DISCUSSION - you can conclude that we MUST do something about overpower - that overpower is the root of all evils, or 99% of them - and it is infinitely more successful and infinitely easier and safer to chop down that tree than trying to tear off one leaf - and if everyone or a great majority comes to see this, the will of the great majority will prevail - so the problem of getting rid of giants comes down to getting people to see that the problem is getting rid of giants - and teaching it to one person a month will lead to everyone being clear about it in just 33 months - so it is practical, it is possible that we can save ourselves - and we know what to do to try to save ourselves<br><br>the upside is enormous, the downside is very small - this is the superbargain of all time - chop down the tree of overpay, very fruitfully and safely, instead of discussing, fruitlessly and dangerously, one sick leaf on the tree of overpay - and end the perennial crisis of the ages - <br><br>if ANYONE can even just HEAR just ONE POINT i am trying to make, please respond - even if it is just an X to indicate: i heard one point - because i can think it is useless to write if no one responds, if everyone ignores, if for all i know no one even reads me - and maybe a Y for every point you agree with - so i have some indication there is a reason to continue to write<br><br>and the reason i post in helvetica gray medium is because i think it is easier to read - not, as has been suggested some might think, because i am arrogant</span><!--EZCODE FONT END--><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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