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Re: End the discussion.

Postby slimmouse » Tue Feb 28, 2006 12:37 am

<br><br> End it now.<br><br> Move on.<br><br> This whole "religion" deal is used in any number of infinate ways as a complete distraction, as indeed seventy some posts later, it is plain to see.<br><br> Get back to the issues. Fuck the divide and conquer thread.<br><br> We are currently in the 4th reich, and we need to stop these maniacs.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Lies and Liars

Postby antiaristo » Tue Feb 28, 2006 12:38 am

chig,<br>Fair enough, I think he has answered with his silence.<br>I'll leave it there. <p></p><i></i>
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Nobody's Going to Win THIS Race....

Postby Floyd Smoots » Tue Feb 28, 2006 12:39 am

Jeffrey, you, of all Rigorously Intuited people should absolutely know by now, that there is no "Race of Jews". Today, those who subscribe to the Jewish Religion are, like their much-disparaged Christian brothers & sisters, a mix of every "nation, tribe, and tongue". Zionism is not racism, at least from Israel's point of view.<br><br>Some folks may differ, and accuse Zionists (political affiliation) with being some of the worst racists we have met since the Nazi's. Just ask the Palestinians. Anti-Zionism, is by the same definition, not racism. It's a political position. You cannot, in the scientific world of DNA testing, "find" a Jewish Race. You can, however "find" a Semitic Race. This race also includes Arabs, and probably a few other identifiable peoples.<br><br>True "Anti-Semitism" is a disparagement of anyone from that racial group. Hating the people of Iraq and Iran is absolutely, scientifically as Anti-Semitic (if not more so) as hating Israelis, most of whom are not, by any stretch of the science of genetics, Semitic.<br><br>But then Jeff, comes the infamous "slippery slope". If you deign, here in your world, on your blog, to ban speech that is Anti-Jewish (the Religion), then, I posit that you must also ban any and all posts here that are Anti-Pagan/New Age (ALL of mine), Anti-Christian (most of your "peeps"), Anti-Muslim (too darned few to even find), Anti-Atheist/Agnostic (again, most of mine), and any others that disparage anyone's firmly held religious beliefs.<br><br>Or, you could just decide to be like ancient Rome, invite us into the Coliseum's Combat Arena, and sit back and watch us go at each other with "hammer and tongs". But even I see the danger of that. While we're busy "tearing each other's electronic throats out", "THEY" are still busy plotting our ultimate demise, and, in the meantime, stealing as many of our chickens that they can!<br><br>I don't have any easy answers. Beware of any of us wierdos here who claim to. I hope, though, that I have posted a few serious questions for you, and all of us to think about.<br><br>Respectfully Submitted,<br>Alexander Franklin Mutter, B.A., D.s.b.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Pretty Facile Half-Quotes, There, D.E.

Postby Floyd Smoots » Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:17 am

I'm responding just because.......but not necessarily in order. I think that all of my ALL CAPS postings were directed against only those who seem to pretend to defend freedom of speech (all lower case), but then, want to go off about what someone, somewhere, or anywhere said that they did not agree with, and thus "deserved imprisonment". I also have rarely, and certainly not very often electronically whined when no one answered "my" posts within a certain arbitrary time limit.<br><br>AnnaLivia, rarely posts here anymore. That said, sometimes, some of you out there need to be yelled at. I recall requesting that you "eat dirt and die", but, seriously, being a fairly forgiving sort, I have not only forgotten the reason for the request, but I know for a fact, that I have later responded to some of your recent well-written posts in a calm and decent manner. Sometimes, even agreeing with your point of view.<br><br>Some of us (Me) have never bothered to go to many of the sites mentioned/referenced on this board. NONE of us has the time to visit every site that any of us has visited. None. As I recall, my first post on this particular thread related only to what one or two posters above me in blogging order had brought up and referred to. I never intentionally try to hijack a post, but merely try to respond to the last few thoughts thrown out by the last few posters.<br><br>Oh, yeah, Dreams End, I forgot myself for a moment. You actually are Mossad, and I am CIA. What was I thinking??? I guess we'd better not tell the others. We might get banned from here forever, and then what would we do while watching the Republi-Crats continue to steal our chickens???<br><br>Oh, BTW, even the hijacked part was still not about what E.Z. said or wrote, it was merely whether or not in the so-called Western Democracies, did he have a right to say it or not? I'll go ahead and cheat, D.E., and give you the correct answer.Alas, apparently, he did not. And, to quote the Bard of Avon "therin lies the rub".<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Nobody's Going to Win THIS Race....

Postby Dreams End » Tue Feb 28, 2006 2:28 am

Well, Floyd, it was the whole "eat dirt and die" thing that I thought wandered outside the bounds of normal Christian apologetics...but that's just me. This phrasing struck me in a similar fashion:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>are "THEY" just paying you far too well to give up on the LET'S ALL KICK ZUNDEL'S ASS SHIT?!?!?! IT'S NOT ABOUT HIM, YOU PIECE OF #!@$%&*<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Maybe others who still consider themselves practicing Christians or who are objective in all this might chime in here, but it doesn't really seem to represent the faith too well, does it? I guess there are all sorts of recruiting methods...that's just a new one to me. Then again, just because you are a Christian, doesn't make it your responsibility to act in a way that is designed to influence others to become Christians...so really, you can just disregard this, if that is the case.<br><br>By the way, accusing people of being paid agents, as you did of Pan in the above, is not allowed on this board. In fact, it's one of only 3 rules for posting here. <br><br> Now, strongly HINTING at it, seems to be okay...as it seems to be some people's only means of argumentation. To ban them for it would probably violate the Americans with Disabilities Act, or whatever acts are similar in Canada and other countries. <br><br>Jeff makes the calls...but as an intellectual exercise, if nothing else, you might try removing that particular little crutch from your admittedly small arsenal of rhetorical weapons. Maybe the namecalling, too, which isn't bannable, but makes you look...um...like maybe you've run out of actual arguments to make. <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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To all y'all hatin' on the Prof

Postby professorpan » Tue Feb 28, 2006 4:17 am

Floyd, Antiaristo, and the rest of y'all hatin' on me,<br><br>Sorry I'm coming in late on this, but I was working on a writing project and haven't checked in since this afternoon. <br><br>Anti, I have no idea when I supposedly labeled you an anti-Semite, or "lied" about what you wrote. You can private message me and let me know exactly what I did to tick you off. I don't recall having any serious exchanges with you, or saying anything about you personally, but I want to know if I'm wrong. I don't read every comment on every thread, as some people do, and I sometimes go days without reading the boards at all, so maybe I missed something. Anyhoo...<br><br>If you asked if I am Jewish, the answer is no, but I'm married to a Jewish woman. I have met people who were imprisoned in Nazi death camps. So maybe I'm extra sensitive to liars and Nazi apologists -- sorry if that bothers anyone.<br><br>And the only fraternal organization I've ever belonged to was the Boy Scouts.<br><br>Does that clear everything up regarding my c.v.?<br><br>And while I may argue things I care about in a forceful way, I never deliberately insult or disparage anyone. I stepped over the line with banned once, and I apologized to her (to little avail, but hey, I tried). I try to post relevant material, filtered through my decades of experience studying parapolitics, UFOs, psychedelics, the occult, and other topics. I will call bullshit on theories I think are not supported by facts (esoteric nuke removal from a Detroit stadium, for one example); if that raises your blood pressure, that's not my problem. But do not take my skepticism of a particular theory as a personal attack. It might be your pet theory, but if you can't take scrutiny of it, or answer some difficult questions, or provide something more than a "gut feeling," you might want to ask yourself why.<br><br>In return, I try to do my best to answer legitimate questions about *my* pet theories.<br><br>I'm skeptical of at least half the stuff that gets thrown about here. I do not apologize for that -- that's the way my brain works. I take the word "rigorous" seriously, and if that makes me unpopular, I can handle it. Skepticism is a good rudder for navigating the dark seas.<br><br>I left this board for a while after getting sick of the rancor, but I decided to return and post information and analysis and just ignore personal attacks. There are a few people here who consistently operate with integrity and post insightful, eye-opening material, which is what keeps me wading through the ever-increasing rabble and the shit-slinging. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: To all y'all hatin' on the Prof

Postby antiaristo » Tue Feb 28, 2006 8:34 am

pan,<br>No hatin'. I'm just not willing to be sullied.<br><br>1 I sympathise with ALL victims, being a victim myself. Perhaps you missed how I was able to protect the pension fund for hundreds of local journalists that work for Northcliffe Newspapers?<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMessageRange?topicID=2221.topic&start=1&stop=20">p216.ezboard.com/frigorou...=1&stop=20</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>2 You INSINUATED that I was an anti semite. And insinuated pretty strongly.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMessage?topicID=2759.topic">p216.ezboard.com/frigorou...2759.topic</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>3 You did that to defend the man who had made a victim out of myself and my family, and who was about to make victims of all those local journalists. Why?<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm35.showMessage?topicID=39.topic">p216.ezboard.com/frigorou...D=39.topic</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: To all y'all hatin' on the Prof

Postby Qutb » Tue Feb 28, 2006 12:45 pm

Pan said - <br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>There are a few people here who consistently operate with integrity and post insightful, eye-opening material, which is what keeps me wading through the ever-increasing rabble and the shit-slinging.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>Ditto. <p></p><i></i>
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Qutb and "integrety"

Postby darkbeforedawn » Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:21 pm

To hear Qutb refer to "integrety" is ironic. He must be very familiar with all the information on this site and indeed at all the more reputable 9-11 sites and yet he still continues to credit the "experts" at Fema and Nist. Anyone of his caliber who continues to prop up the "official" versions of how the N and S tower and Building 7 collapsed obviously has a serious problem with "integrety". I wonder what that problem could be? No don't answer this. I think we can all guess. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: To all y'all hatin' on the Prof

Postby Qutb » Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:25 pm

Here's another graphic, featured in <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.rense.com/general69/zattk.htm" target="top">this</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> article by Jeff Rense, "Zionist Terrorist <br>Attacks On Rense.com":<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/bootadl.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The true nature of most Zionists who pretend to support freedom is actually one of libel, slander, character assassination, terrorism and death threats. <br> <br>These arch traitors to the Bill of Rights will stop at nothing to take your freedoms away... especially if you dare to question, ever so slightly, their carefully-constructed view of 'history' and propaganda, or present even the most modest alternative viewpoint, facts or evidence contrary to their party line. <br> <br>They are petrified that an open, honest investigation would be held to carefully examine the facts of history - and their plots and schemes - which would bring to light the enormity of the distance between their manipulative, suspect and terribly conflicted version of 'history' and the FACTS. <br> <br>These dark entities are past masters of using the identical, heinous, tactics of Nazi Germany to hound and endeavor to destroy those who disagree with them. They would not hesitate for a moment to fill trains to US concentration camps, man *real* gas chambers and engage in genocide on American soil.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>But he's talking about "Zionists" you see, not Jews. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Qutb and "integrety"

Postby Qutb » Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:31 pm

DBD, you're definitely the man I'd go to if I wanted a competent analysis of a building collapse. <br><br>I can understand the questions surrounding what hit the Pentagon... even though I'm convinced it was Flight 77. I think the theory proposing remotely controlled planes has a few interesting arguments in its favor... but I find it highly unlikely.<br><br>The "controlled demolition" theory, however, I don't even understand where that idea came from. It's ludicrous.<br><br>And yes, I'm very familiar with the sites you mention, though I disagree somewhat with the characterization "reputable".<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Integrity

Postby antiaristo » Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:41 pm

Qutb,<br>I think you'll find a question addressed to you earlier in the thread. It has bearing on your integrity <p></p><i></i>
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Re: To all y'all hatin' on the Prof

Postby Qutb » Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:42 pm

Another graphic from the same article:<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/bigbrotfffher.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Integrity

Postby Qutb » Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:47 pm

Anti, as far as I remember, I think you complained that I left out the "Freemason" part. Is that correct? You're a bit cryptic sometimes.<br><br>For the record, here's antiaristo's full question to Professor Pan, since deleted by Jeff, and I'm only reproducing it on anti's demand:<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Are you Jewish? <br><br>Or Freemason?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>I don't see how that's helping you case though... <p></p><i></i>
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Qutb and "integrety"

Postby darkbeforedawn » Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:59 pm

Sorry, but cd is really the ONLY explanation for the less than 10 second collapse of these structures. To insinuate otherwise points clearly to an agenda which at this late stage of the 9-11 truth movement can only mean one thing: You wish to perpetuate the "official" version of events. Now why would someone with "integrety" wish to do that? There are several possible reasons: 1. ignorance ( we can rule that one out can't we?) 2. complicity. 3. very strong fear based denial. So which is it? <p></p><i></i>
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