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Another false claim that I would like to set straight:

Postby lupercal » Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:00 pm

In a now-locked thread I posted last night, JackRiddler makes the following claim, which is false:

Subject: Just for the record:

JackRiddler wrote:After that you turned "Rodia (not Manfredonia, but close)" into "Rodia-Manfredonia" and insisted that this "person" (actually two unrelated persons) must be involved in some way in the murders or in a cover-up of the true story. Which is pretty close to libel if not outright so.


This is not true. I made no further claims about these persons than what I re-posted last night and if JackRiddler or anyone else thinks I did let him prove it by quoting and/or linking to such statements. Likewise if c2w, Iamwhoiam, barracuda or anyone else is going to allege that I've committed libel or any other actionable offense including "cyberstalking," as Iamwhoiam claims here, let them prove it:

Subject: Anderson Cooper "Exposing" Newtown Conspiracy Theory 1/11/13

Iamwhomiam wrote:Lupe, c2w? was warning you of the potential that your posting the false information about Rodia was in violation of the cyberstalking laws, and as she said, that is quite the opposite of a threat.

Wiki's cyberstalking lays out most plainly the potential offenses. Why not see how many you could be prosecuted for? I doubt they'd do that though, considering the several thousands who've done the same. But they could... especially to silence such a danger to the ptb as you pose, revealing all their nefarious workings, as you surmise and broadcast. For one so wary of the god-like powers they wield, I'm glad to see you're not intimidated. But just in case you find yourself being waterboarded at Guantanamo next week, you might want to let someone know that they should report your disappearance to us here at RI.

Let's face it. you fucked up big time posting that rodia bs. And it's too bad that you do not yet recognize or admit that you have.


If any of these claims can be supported, please do so by quoting or linking to the actual statements and citing the actual statutory violation. Otherwise I'd like to state plainly and unequivocally that these accusations are false. This has been going on for a month, it's getting out of hand, and it's got to stop. Thank you.
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Re: Another false claim that I would like to set straight:

Postby JackRiddler » Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:01 pm

lupercal wrote:In a now-locked thread I posted last night, JackRiddler makes the following claim, which is false:

Subject: Just for the record:

JackRiddler wrote:After that you turned "Rodia (not Manfredonia, but close)" into "Rodia-Manfredonia" and insisted that this "person" (actually two unrelated persons) must be involved in some way in the murders or in a cover-up of the true story. Which is pretty close to libel if not outright so.


This is not true.


You're right! You turned these two different unrelated men into a single "Rodia / Manfredonia." With a slash, not a hyphen. My apologies for the falsely quoted punctuation.

Here: http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/view ... 60#p487667

lupercal wrote:^ saw that, didn't buy it. Didn't by barracuda's song and dance either, as much as I read, which wasn't much. I've heard it many times already. Think about it: Rodia / Manfredonia just happens to be stopped at the same time, and identified in the same broadcast immediately after an ID request for the owner of the shooter's Civic, but has nothing to do with Sandy Hook, nothing at all, even though Manfredonia has already been publicly identified as the gingerbread man? It is to laff. As for Spitfire, who knows, but I've seen plenty of people backpedal their online "CT" theories after a little intimidation. Doesn't take much. It happens a lot, even here.


And it goes on from there, with various people beating you up in the looooooong thread that will remain unlocked, unlike this one.
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Re: Another false claim that I would like to set straight:

Postby lupercal » Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:16 pm

As I had all of two minutes to respond to your last defamation before Jeff locked the thread, I'll make this fast:
JackRiddler wrote:You're right! . . . My apologies for the falsely quoted punctuation.


Thank you, and no need to apologize, as your rare admission is fine.

JackRiddler wrote:And it goes on from there,


Was Rodia not identified in the broadcast? Yes he was. Was Manfredonia not identified in the LA Times as having been on the scene? Yes he was. What goes on from where? Answer: nothing.
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Re: Another false claim that I would like to set straight:

Postby lupercal » Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:48 pm

JackRiddler wrote:
lupercal wrote:As for Spitfire, who knows, but I've seen plenty of people backpedal their online "CT" theories after a little intimidation. Doesn't take much. It happens a lot, even here.


Incidentally this sort of rumor mill pile-on is just the sort of thing I was talking about in that post. Claims have a tendency to snowball if not addressed directly and completely and so for that reason I would like to request that this thread remain unlocked for at least 24 hours in order to give anyone interested or involved a chance to explain their concerns, thanks.
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Re: Another false claim that I would like to set straight:

Postby barracuda » Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:23 pm

It's really none of my business, but I'd be tempted to delete that shit myself. And the admin should delete this thread too. WIPE IT FROM THE PAGES OF HISTORY
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Re: Another false claim that I would like to set straight:

Postby barracuda » Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:09 pm

Because that's what the admins at Above Top Secret did. They 404'ed every thread that named the parents or Rodia as culpable.
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Re: Another false claim that I would like to set straight:

Postby barracuda » Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:03 am

For the record, I don't consider ATS as a site we should emulate here in broad terms of moderation or censorship. At all. They're over the top.
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Re: Another false claim that I would like to set straight:

Postby lupercal » Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:14 am

barracuda wrote:It's really none of my business, but I'd be tempted to delete that shit myself.


The only claim that might need deletion is yours, barracuda, because yours , not mine, is the one that calls Manfredonia a "culprit." That's on page 16 of the Sandy Hook thread, link here: Subject: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

barracuda wrote:
lupercal wrote:And from a 12/14 article:

Following the shooting, Police were "questioning a handcuffed suspect in connection with the Newtown school shooting," the Connecticut Post tweeted. A witness told Jany that a man "was led out of the woods by police in handcuffs."

http://www.businessinsider.com/sandy-ho ... an-2012-12


I'm guessing this is the culprit, also published on the 14th:

Chris Manfredonia, whose 6-year-old daughter attends the school, was heading there Friday morning to help make gingerbread houses with first-graders when he heard popping sounds and smelled sulfur.

He ran around the school trying to reach his daughter and was briefly handcuffed by police. He later found his child, who had been locked in a small room with a teacher.


That's barracuda claiming Manfredonia is "the culprit," not me. The link under "this is the culprit" goes to an LA Times article about Manfredonia. I made no such claim myself. I simply quoted barracuda's post claiming that Manfredonia was the "culprit." The link is at the top of this thread. So if anyone committed libel here it's mr. barracuda.

Now personally, I don't think any of his posts should be deleted, but that's between him and Jeff. However I very strongly object to having any of mine deleted because I made no such libelous claims. And the really outrageous claims have been coming from barracuda, c2w, and JackRiddler, for example above, with respect to what they've been claiming I supposedly said. The extent of my claims about Rodia and Mandfredonia are quoted here.

Incidentally, why isn't c2w hounding barracuda about his libelous assertions? C2w, perhaps can you explain this? :shrug:
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Re: Another false claim that I would like to set straight:

Postby barracuda » Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:28 am

I was guessing Manfredonia was the handcuffed man led from the woods. I have never thought there was a second shooter or an accomplice, as you well know, and as the thread pretty clearly demonstrates.

But yeah, I shoulda figured you'd play it that way. You're whole schtick is basically pretending you don't know what's really going on. (At least I think it's pretense.) Which is fine by me. I mean, if that strategy works for you, who am I to tell you different?

And Jeff doesn't seem to be fretting the thing, so if it's cool with him, then whatever. You've got nothing to worry about as far as I can tell.
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Re: Another false claim that I would like to set straight:

Postby lupercal » Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:29 am

p.s. just to save a little trouble here again is the link to my original post, which quotes barracuda's post claiming that Manfredonia was the Sandy Hook "culprit," on page 21 of the thread: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre
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Re: Another false claim that I would like to set straight:

Postby barracuda » Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:31 am

lupercal wrote:The extent of my claims about Rodia and Mandfredonia are quoted here.


No, they're not. You forgot this one:

lupercal wrote:"the car driven by Connecticut school shooter Adam Lanza" -- is registered to local criminal Christopher Rodia


...which is a sketch and a half. It's simply not true, and problematic.
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Re: Another false claim that I would like to set straight:

Postby lupercal » Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:34 am

barracuda wrote:But yeah, I shoulda figured you'd play it that way. You're whole schtick is basically pretending you don't know what's really going on.


This cute little drama you and c2w ginned up was never about what I know, it's about what I supposedly said. But I didn't say it barracuda, you did.

You called Manfredonia "the culprit." I did not. Your words, your post. Not mine.
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Re: Another false claim that I would like to set straight:

Postby barracuda » Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:39 am

Again, I wouldn't sweat it if I were you. I know I'm not. But yeah, if there's the slightest possibility that any of my statements could be misconstrued and damage the forum in any way - delete 'em, by all means. Obviously.
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Re: Another false claim that I would like to set straight:

Postby lupercal » Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:17 am

barracuda wrote:Again, I wouldn't sweat it if I were you. I know I'm not.


Now you're not, no. Glad you've changed your tune from five posts ago:

barracuda wrote:It's really none of my business, but I'd be tempted to delete that shit myself. And the admin should delete this thread too. WIPE IT FROM THE PAGES OF HISTORY


Doesn't seem so important now, does it? Well cheer up, here's a fun quiz to take your mind off your troubles:

barracuda wrote:Fun quiz time: Do you really think posting the personal information of private individuals including their addresses and phone numbers on the internet and accusing them of the mass murder of children is a good idea? Why or why not?

Subject: Connecticut Elementary School Massacre


Can't wait to hear your fun answer. Or maybe it doesn't seem so fun anymore? :shrug:
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Re: Another false claim that I would like to set straight:

Postby barracuda » Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:26 am

I haven't changed my mind. I'd still delete your remarks, as well as your other panic threads, including this one. But okay, you want me to say it - you possibly libeled Chris Rodia. It was a mistake on your part. The car wasn't registered to him after all.

On the other hand, I was perfectly correct. Manfredonia was in fact the individual handcuffed by the police.

Context is everything, my friend.
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