Noreen

[chiggerbit]

Maybe she's been too busy posting under an assumed name.

[Jeff]

I think I'm too damn naive to be an admin.

This is becoming like that horror movie line: "We've traced the call -"

[chiggerbit]

Or maybe I'm too cynical.

[chiggerbit]

As far as the other members posting under MP's ip, maybe they were visitors of his or something. Maybe.

[chiggerbit]

"compared2what?"'s opinion that the Gosch thread should remain funeral-serious made me realize how my work experiences have made me cynical and inclined towards black humor on occasion. Ok, often. It's not an attractive habit.

[sunny]

It is strange that Noreen won't respond to your e-mail Jeff. She knows of our discussion since someone brought it to her attention. If I were her, I would want to weigh in.

[Jeff]

Spoke to et. He says AOL proxies are a pain. It could be coincidental. He's having a fellow admin with more experience in them look at it closer.

Also, when I asked him about shefner and rbeck double-teaming, he corrected me; they're triple-teaming. Hadn't noticed this before:

I've known stack a while and he is highly charged on every front. Yes, but there is no question he takes this case to heart. I think we all must or why else would we be here?

http://rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewt ... 411#173411

They all know each other, are only posting to the Gosch subject, and one at least claims to be on good terms with Gunderson.

Another tidbit from et. When I wondered about Noreen's silence and chig's suggestion that she's posting under another name, he wrote:

Allow me to make an observation on sock puppets: If an account does not post, there's no way of retriving an IP from it. If there is misdirection intended, the main account will be left in a latent state, and the sock puppets will turn loose prior to give the master account a later 'purpose'. You can see evidence of this technique perfectly in that KVR thread I linked to. The developer made his sock puppet accounts days before his company account and turned the socks loose on the KVR forum. We're a bit smarter than that, so his gig was up immediately, but that's how they do it for the most part. There's almost a Hegelian flow to it;

sock puppet causes a mess
community is disrupted
master account arrives

Chigger's smart.

[sunny]

Chigger's smart.

Well, that's a given.

So, what does this all mean?

Do you think Noreen is a danger to the community, or do you think it's Gunderson who is trying to infiltrate and cause trouble?(or maybe gin up some good pr for himself?) If Noreen has unleashed a phalanx of sock puppets on our asses, does this mean her motivations are darkly suspect, or is she simply emotionally unstable?

How do we handle this situation?

arrggh.

[Jeff]

I really don't know. I guess we just have to be vigilant and see if they tip their hand a little more. It might be best not to make assumptions about Noreen at this point, but just keep in the back of our minds that things may not be what they seem. (And about the Gosch stuff, we can count on it!)

[Jeff]

FWIW, another board where shefner and rbeck are tag teaming on the Gosch photo:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showth ... ?p=2024024

[chiggerbit]

I'm still curious about whether Eve is connected to the Gosch team somehow. Noreen may be too intimidated to post, say possibly due to a lack of grammar, spelling skills, something like that, so her advocates might do it for her.

Don't forget, they've posted on that other forum, almost as if they met in there first in order to say, ok, I'm here, how about you. Then they showed up on general.

As for how to deal with it, not sure that there is a way.....except to encourage et to keep biting their ankles. And starting a Gunderson thread might shine a light on his character, but it should be handled carefully--DeCamp likes to throw his weight around with threats of law suits.

Is it possible that the whole thing is about money in some way?

[chiggerbit]

http://rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewtopic.php?t=15854

stackdag:

In any event for those interested there's a new book on the franklin
case coming out called "The Franklin Scandal, a Story of Powerbrokers, Child Abuse, & Betrayal" by Nick Bryant

http://www.amazon.com/Franklin-Scandal- ... 552&sr=8-1

Also I found this site recently

http://thesenatorhillary.blogspot.com/



Which has the Bonacci interviews by Ted Gunderson posted.
Actually if you go to google video you can find them as well.
I found the second half more interesting than the first half.
Although it was very intruiging to see both, in the first video
Bonacci explains his multiple personalities very in-depth while in
the second video he recounts events and names public officals
he saw at Lawerence Kings after parties. Very shocking to hear what
he says about George Bush Sr.

Another site I've been checking out is

http://desertfae.com/

While this woman's story isn't super directly tied to Franklin/Gosch...
I seem to remember some possible connections between characters in the INSLAW/PROMIS software scandal and Franklin.

Allegedly Micheal Aquino, Sam Soda, Sid Siemer and some others might have dealt with Lawrence King, but I might be wrong on that. At best the Hamlin/Siemer connection to Cabazon seems to point to some alleged Satanic Activity with ties to the military, which is very similar to some of the things which allegedly happened in the Franklin/Gosch situation.

Regardless I hope this woman can get some traction and win the battle she's taken on by getting some justice in her father's murder case.

desertfae:

Hi, I followed a link on my stats from my site here and found your post.
First, thanks for going to my site I honestly believe that if I wasn't public about what I am doing I probably wouldn't be around right now.

As far as my story being tied... you'd be surprised. Johnny Gosch was a victim of the Finders, a group that had/has ties to the CIA. The finders ran a lot of their operations from the Cabazon reservation. There was human trafficking going on there and others that weren't involved turned a blind eye to those activties because Sid Siemer was there working for Wackenhut on the reservation doing biological weapons.
The Inslaw/Promis(e) affair also took place on the reservation.. as well as MANY other black ops programs.
Here's the important part of this.. when Fred, my dad, and Patty were murdered it was because Fred and my dad got into John P Nichols office and either took or copied paperwork. Proof of these activities.. and they were about to expose it all.
I'll put a document in here showing proof of the Inslaw affair. I had this hot little document in my hands about 2 minutes before I threw it out on the web for the world to see/take/spread to their friends.
Also, if you go to my site you'll see documents on the Finders as well... and of course my many videos.
One more thing, I can't talk about it yet, but sometime in the next few months be watching for something.

Thanks for the well wishes also, I really do appreciate them.

Rachel aka desertfae

[Jeff]

FYI, re MP and Noreen:

http://rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewt ... 008#174008

[sunny]

Jeff, what is going on now in the Gosch thread, re where is Larry King and rbeck making cryptic statements. What are the reasons not to publish this information?

[Jeff]

I'm sorry for the cryptic asides there.

I pm'd FB that I don't trust rbeck and shefner and suspect their motives for wanting to publicize the information; that we could be being set up for litigation. et was more vivid:

Gee, let's see..Publishing personal information, internet stalking charges, wrongful death charges if someone waltzes in with a shotgun and blasts the guy..

What else am I missing here?

Oh yeah..

Reciprocation from the Bad Guys.

Maybe I'm being too paranoid, but the subject does beg for it sometimes.