Free, AD, sock puppetry

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Free, AD, sock puppetry

Postby professorpan » Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:21 pm

Hey, sorry if anyone is upset over my posting that Free and American Dream are both posting from the same IP. Annie pointed it out to me, so I decided to make it known. I do think sock puppetry is deceptive and not conducive to honest communication.

Not that I'm even making the accusation, just stating the facts so that Free/AD can sort it out publicly.

If that's a problem, let me know, and let me know why -- I got a cryptic "U R DOING RONG" message from annie, so I'm curious what exactly is wrong.
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Postby professorpan » Mon Feb 23, 2009 4:08 pm

Hey, this is feeling very much like a set-up designed to make me look bad. I hope it's not the case.

I got a message from Annie today, which read:

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Hey!

You're a Moderator, right?

Why don't you check Free's IP address?

@nnie

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So I inquired further. Annie then sent this:

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American Dream wrote:
The only username I ever had here was American Dream.

the super secret RI inner sanctum wrote:

IP address for this post
24.47.174.67 [ 40 Posts ]
Users posting from this IP address
American Dream [ 805 Posts ]
Free [ 40 Posts ]

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When I asked if AD/Free had been disruptive and asked for examples, she sent this:

Prof Pan,

Have you ever considered finding a replacement for yourself?

Now that Jeff has a different work schedule, he doesn't seem to have as much time to oversee.

I think it would be helpful to have moderators with more time, energy and interest than a new dad should have muster.

Not that I don't enjoy your contributions, but your posts of late indicate that this responsibility might be stretching you a bit thin.

Hopefully you are not offended by my questions.

Annie

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To which I replied, no, I still wanted to be a mod, even though I am frequently absent these days.

So I went into the thread in question, and posted a not-so-veiled comment about two members posting from the same IP address. I didn't see Annie's message to me (below) before posting.

Let's wait until Dad gets home.

I think sunny's got a handle on it, but thanks for the offer.


Then I got another PM from Annie:

U R DOING RONG


Then this:

professorpan wrote:
Uh, why? What's wrong? And why did you bring the IP similarity to my attention if you didn't want me to say anything about it?


I was hoping to alert you to a situation that sunny and I have been monitoring for a while, give you a bit of a heads up since you aren't often here, and maybe have some discussion backstage.

I didn't ask you to say anything about it on the forum. If I were certain that was the best approach at this juncture, I would have taken it myself.


AD and Free both wrote, alarmed, saying that they are two people and Free is a survivor of abuse and dangerous people might be after her. I have no idea whether that's true or not. And I don't see how revealing that two people share IP addresses is going to reveal anyone's location or endanger anyone. But I did edit my message and claimed my statement was inaccurate.

But seriously, annie, to point out a possible sock puppet (in 2 separate posts), then question my ability/desire to moderate, sure seems like you were asking me to weigh in on the issue. You said nothing about discussing anything with Sunny or wanting to keep it private until I did what I thought you were suggesting.

I also checked the moderator forum before I posted, and didn't find anything, so clearly you two weren't discussing it where I could have seen it.

And hey, I don't moderate much, and I'm not on top of all the threads anymore, mostly because the level of civility has shrunk in contrast to the rise of noise. But I do stop in once in a while to keep an eye on things. I do that because I respect Jeff and was honored that he asked me to mod, and I have always tried to be fair and to encourage fairness.

This has been a very weird situation, and I can't say I'm very comfortable with the way it unfolded. And it seems odd the way you handled it, Annie.
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Postby sunny » Mon Feb 23, 2009 4:09 pm

We were just wondering what the hell was hir agenda, hoping to let it play out a little.

Seems s/he's got a purging agenda if you ask me but that's not certain, jmo.

I told annie at first I thought "Free" may just have wanted to post about ra/mc without AD's baggage. But as you've both pointed out this is not conducive to honest discussion. AND s/he's now overly concerned with trolls/thread etiquette to dismiss the very real possibility of a covert agenda.
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Postby professorpan » Mon Feb 23, 2009 4:23 pm

Thanks, sunny. I find the whole thing more than a bit fishy.

AD and Free both PMd me, calling me out for revealing "private" information. Which I most definitely didn't.

I'll be a little more circumspect from now on, but I still think annie's messages to me implied that I should act. Sorry if this has turned into a clusterf*ck, and I'll be sure to post in the mods section and PM everyone before I take any other actions while wearing my mod cap.
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Postby professorpan » Mon Feb 23, 2009 4:52 pm

FYI just got this from Free:


Profpan,

Thanks for what you've done so far to remedy the privacy violation- but it was wrong, you should have contacted one of us before posting what you did.

I'm leaving the board. Please, no further good will come from this thread and I would greatly appreciate it if you would lock it.

Thanks,

Free
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Postby sunny » Mon Feb 23, 2009 5:43 pm

Free wrote:I'm leaving the board. Please, no further good will come from this thread and I would greatly appreciate it if you would lock it.


Well, first of all I'm sorry AD felt he couldn't openly discuss whatever it was he was trying to get at. Second, "Free" started the thread with an agenda and it had nothing whatever to do with "good will" toward other members. Third, I'm inclined to let the thread play out. Members obviously want to discuss the various issues it has dredged up and hopefully it will clear the air.
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Postby annie aronburg » Mon Feb 23, 2009 6:32 pm

pan wrote:AD and Free both wrote, alarmed, saying that they are two people and Free is a survivor of abuse and dangerous people might be after her. I have no idea whether that's true or not. And I don't see how revealing that two people share IP addresses is going to reveal anyone's location or endanger anyone. But I did edit my message and claimed my statement was inaccurate.

But seriously, annie, to point out a possible sock puppet (in 2 separate posts), then question my ability/desire to moderate, sure seems like you were asking me to weigh in on the issue. You said nothing about discussing anything with Sunny or wanting to keep it private until I did what I thought you were suggesting.


I'm not sure how often I have PMed you Professor, but I am quite certain it is rarely if never.

I'd think that would have given you an indication that there was an unusual situation at hand, but that was my error. I apologize.

Perhaps I should have indicated more strongly that I was trying to be discrete and was not asking you to step in and take action.

I also checked the moderator forum before I posted, and didn't find anything, so clearly you two weren't discussing it where I could have seen it.


I don't always catch the new messages down in the mods forum in timely fashion, and I could see you were on board, so I thought a PM would be the fastest way to communicate with you.

Imagine my embarrassment, my actions have had the exact opposite effect as their intentions.

There was something weird going on in that thread and it would have been instructive to investigate it with the help of our trusted administrator prior to warning off the participants.
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Postby Jeff » Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:26 pm

I'm sorry I was unavailable when this unfolded, but until I understand better what unfolded that's about all I can say.
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