Donnie Darko - Parapolitical message hidden in movie?

by **Col Quisp** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 3:41 pm

Thanks for this! I never saw the movie although we used to own a copy (sold it on eBay)! Now I'll have to go and rent it

by JD » Thu Mar 30, 2006 3:54 pm

The intel mention on the website is that Donnie's physics teacher works for an intel agency. He's the one that gives Donnie the book on Time Travel. The website has all kinds of details that might strike bells with people. I caught the obvious stuff only. See the movie and work through it; it's kinda iritating as its uses puzzles to work through. You have to watch and maybe rewatch the movie to get the answers. I'm not sure if I got to the end or not. I got as far as the bit about the serial numbers on the jet engines. I suspect there is more but couldn't figure out how to drill further into it.

by **vondardenelle** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 3:59 pm

that teacher also tells donnie he can't continue a conversation about time travel "because [he] could lose [his] job". there's also a random scene where the physics teacher and drew barrymore's english teacher are sitting together and the physics teacher says with a smile "donnie darko" and they both kind of nod in agreement. scene always struck me as odd because it doesn't seem necessary. the name Roberta Sparrow always struck me as a name that means or signifies something, but I don't know what.

by **thoughtographer** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 4:19 pm

This is refreshing, because all of the discussions I've seen about this movie since it was released get stuck on its perceived lack of philosophical sophistication and questionable artistic merits, leaving the manifold symbolism by the wayside. Pay attention to Donnie's doctor, and note her change in tone when she says: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>If the sky were to open up, there would be no law, there would be no rule. Only you and your memory.<hr></blockquote> "A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=thoughtographer>thoughtographer</A> at: 3/30/06 2:12 pm

by **Ted the dog** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 4:43 pm

"The intel mention on the website is that Donnie's physics teacher works for an intel agency. He's the one that gives Donnie the book on Time Travel." wow!...that's actually really bizarre...I hadn't seen that. So he's an intel operative moonlighting as a teacher? "hat teacher also tells donnie he can't continue a conversation about time travel "because [he] could lose [his] job". I always took it to mean he was nervous because the conversation had headed into a religious area...but now that you mention it, wasn't the entire movie taking place in a christian or catholic private school? all the kids wore uniforms, so I assumed so. if the discussion did head into that area, there wouldn't be a problem for the teacher if the school was Christian or Catholic. I suppose he might have been someone that was just teaching at a christian school and personally didn't hold those beliefs...so maybe he didn't want to get fired for pushing an agnostic/atheist/whatever viewpoint. "there's also a random scene where the physics teacher and drew barrymore's english teacher are sitting together and the physics teacher says with a smile "donnie darko" and they both kind of nod in agreement. scene always struck me as odd because it doesn't seem necessary." yeah...what was that about? was that implying that they both felt he was a good student or that they knew something was different about him? I never understood that.

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 5:05 pm

Most movies have parapolitcal functions built in to the title and the content and I'm glad to see more examination of this element of scientific fascism. >Alternative narratives to confuse the line between fiction and history. >Humor to dispel concerns with psychic shock-absorbers. >Triggering anxieties with horror or political keywords. All these tactics are in almost every mainstream film you can see. My apologies for the appearance of hijacking but I went into this in detail with many movies in this older thread- <a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMessage?topicID=3427.topic">p216.ezboard.com/frigorou...3427.topic</a> (How to Not Be Diverted, Demoralized, or Diffused) Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hughmanateewins>Hugh Manatee Wins</A> at: 3/30/06 2:09 pm

by **thoughtographer** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 5:19 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>All these tactics are in almost every mainstream film you can see. <hr></blockquote> Hugh, you've made your thoughts on this quite obvious before, and I respect your opinions. Some of us who actually produce "art with a little 'a'" are fully aware of nefarious manipulation, and make a concerted effort turn it back upon itself. You can't effect change overnight, you know. For the record, Donnie Darko was not an initial success, but I guess you probably find that suspicious as well. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:MagrittePipe.jpg">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:MagrittePipe.jpg</a> "A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=thoughtographer>thoughtographer</A> at: 3/30/06 2:23 pm

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 5:34 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>For the record, Donnie Darko was not an initial success, but I guess you probably find that suspicious as well.<hr></blockquote> I don't know much about 'Donnie Darko' and commented on film in general for anyone interested. Just making connections, y'know. Sorry if that irritates you. It shouldn't. I'm not sure where 'not changing things over night' comes in. But I agree with you. Change is evolution and evolution comes with information plus good will. Discussion threads are inherently limited in the good will department but quite good for connecting information. And so I offer info in the admittedly unverifiable spirit of good will, not paranoia. But thanks for the opportunity to clarify.

by **thoughtographer** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 5:42 pm

Your good will comes through loud and clear. I guess my point was that diverting the discussion to focus on negative influence only serves to assist said influence in overshadowing everything that works against it. "A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."

by JD » Thu Mar 30, 2006 5:44 pm

Interesting the Marquis was pointed out out. The Night of the Living Dead - is this an analogy of Donnie after the engine crashed through his bedroom? Living, yet dead? The Last Temptation of Christ - is this a reference to the "sacrifice" of his own life that he makes in the end so others may live? The "end of the world" bit - does this strike anyone as apocolyptic in the manner of FundaMENTAList Christian theology? Considering the Donnie/Christ connection there may be some meat on that bone. I find fascinating that the writer/director Richard Kelly was on 24 years old when the film was shot. He recieved only $9K to write and direct the film. <a href="http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0446819/bio">www.imdb.com/name/nm0446819/bio</a> How does someone so young, from a small town in Virginia, have enough insight into parapolitics to pull this off? Not like he could read up on it at RI then <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"> Young people coming out of nowhere with surprising work should always raise skeptical eyebrows.

by **hmm** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 7:14 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>How does someone so young, from a small town in Virginia, have enough insight into parapolitics to pull this off? Not like he could read up on it at RI then <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"> Young people coming out of nowhere with surprising work should always raise skeptical eyebrows.<hr></blockquote> age does not always equal wisdom and insight, age can also mean more baggage. and prejudice.. some kids are lucky enough to have adults around with book collections, my RI was the second hand bookstore. Its not something i would wish on anyone else but i was pretty parapolitically aware when i was 13-15..

by **thoughtographer** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 7:30 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>some kids are lucky enough to have adults around with book collections<hr></blockquote> Damn straight. My father's collection was the "seed library" for me. As an adult my personal library has basically absorbed his classics and grown into a nice little sapling of it's own. That said, I have a lot that should just be recycled back into paper. "A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."

by **resonantmonkey** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 9:10 pm

Donnie Darko was a great movie. Jake Gyllenhal really reminds me of my friend Matty Balls, in that one. For years now, he's been obsessed with time, time travel, and calendrics, among other things. Conversations with him are always interesting and enlightening. He pulls ecclectic knowledge out of nowhere and everything that I have had the doubt to look up, checked out. My take on this movie is one of occultic knowledge coming to us from all directions. The time travel themes actually remind me a little of Jeff's most recent post on zero-point. Donnie's mentor has actually just taught him how to tap into it.

by **IanEye** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 9:16 pm

Katherine Ross had the main role in The Stepford Wives. Just saying....

by **Gouda** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 7:00 am

Just came across this tidbit on Tim Boucher's blog when I was actually looking for something else - regarding the arrest of Michael Fortino, a high-profile motivational speaker, on child-porn charges. Coincidentally, Boucher notes that he found this info in the comments to a thread somewhere here at RI, sometime ago... <a href="http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/01/15/motivational-speaker-faces-child-porn-charges/">www.timboucher.com/journa...n-charges/</a> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>I’m about a month late on catching this news item, but it seems that art does in fact imitate life - or the other way around. For anybody who’s seen Donnie Darko, this story ought to sound pretty familiar: ***** FAYETTEVILLE, Ark. — A nationally known motivational speaker is facing child pornography charges. Police in Arkansas arrested Michael Fortino — a man who lives in Pittsburgh, but travels the world. Fortino’s Web site has been shut down, but a cached version of it showcases him as a motivational speaker. He was apparently in Arkansas to give one of those speeches when he was arrested. “For every one time somebody does something wrong, it takes four rights just to break even,” said Fortino on a clip on his Web site. Now, police have charged him with three counts of possessing child pornography. ***** So, I guess that means he’s got at least twelve “rights” that he’s gotta come up with fast! For fans of ritual abuse conspiracy stories, the article also features this gem: ***** Former President Bill Clinton once praised Fortino, and President George W. Bush has called him a role model for future generations. -snip- <hr></blockquote> <img src="http://www.powersuccessasia.com/my/pics//fortino.jpg" style="border:0;"/> <img src="http://www.post-gazette.com/images3/20051207_MichaelFortinomugshot_150.jpg" style="border:0;"/> Here is Fortino's website: <a href="http://www.x-tremespeaking.com/">The X-Treme Speaking Business Kit:</a> On edit:  News on his arrest: <a href="http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05341/618250.stm">www.post-gazette.com/pg/05341/618250.stm</a> <a href="http://pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/trib/pittsburgh/s_401111.html">pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/trib/pittsburgh/s_401111.html</a> Oh oh: Feds take over child porn case against Observatory Hill man - <a href="http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05364/630143.stm">www.post-gazette.com/pg/05364/630143.stm</a> Edit # 2: Praise from Oprah, HW Bush, and Clinton: <a href="http://www.powersuccessasia.com/my/events/mg/">www.powersuccessasia.com/my/events/mg/</a> And Powell? <img src="http://www.fortino.com/speech/images/photos/fortino_powell_1.jpg" style="border:0;"/> And here they are at Free Republic, mostly discussing how and why Best Buy repairmen got into his hard drive, the tech behind deleting and hiding material on your hard drive, covering tracks, etc.... <a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1535351/posts">www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1535351/posts</a> Some posters even try the apologetic approach (it was spam, it was planted, its Best Buy's fault etc..) One person writes: "Very sad. I attended a talk he gave for the Allegheny County Bar Association some years ago and he is quite the speaker." <img src="http://www.powersuccessasia.com/my/pics/bush1.jpg" style="border:0;"/> "Americans like Michael Fortino are a role model for future generations" -President George Bush Snr Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=gouda@rigorousintuition>Gouda</A> at: 3/31/06 7:04 am

Donnie Darko - Parapolitical message hidden in movie?

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Intel mention on DD Website

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The Marquis + Richard Kelly

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Donnie's Therapist is played by Katherine Ross

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