Donnie Darko - Parapolitical message hidden in movie?

by **Tetsuro** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 1:39 pm

woops

by **FourthBase** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:39 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Has anyone pondered the fact that because Donnie is successful in going back in time and dieing, he is now not in a position to uncover Jim Cunningham’s pedo ring?<hr></blockquote> interesting

by **nashvillebrook** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:51 pm

big mystical tradition in art, and not just the 'automatic' style that became popular in modernity. think about classical composers and the 'hand of god' tradition in 'writing down' someone else's words. in modernity, the mystical became more of a 'natural pattern.' this is because many artists were working thru new (eastern) mystical traditions where notions of sacred patterns and creative force are 'givens.' so, it's totally reasonable that artists make new connections that they didn't forsee when starting a project. if we had to have everything figured out in the beginning, we'd never get anything done.

by JD » Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:56 pm

The website clears this up by revealing Cunningham's suicide.

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:57 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Has anyone pondered the fact that because Donnie is successful in going back in time and dieing, he is now not in a position to uncover Jim Cunningham’s pedo ring?<hr></blockquote> Yeah, nothing at all like the Franklin Cover-up. Nothing at all. I notice that RI has lots of posts about dire consequences of inquiry lately. Interesting.

by JD » Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:01 pm

Yeah, suicide doesn't say the truth came out, does it? I can't remember if the website says JC got busted and revealed as a pedo or not in the "DD died future". I'm NOT gonna drill through that website again - did someone else do it since the thread started? If the website just says he committed suicide that's a dark message, isn't it?

by **thoughtographer** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:27 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>so, it's totally reasonable that artists make new connections that they didn't forsee when starting a project. if we had to have everything figured out in the beginning, we'd never get anything done.<hr></blockquote> Good post. I also think that if we did have everything figured out before we started, there'd be little point in doing anything. "A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."

by **bvonahsen** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:27 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Has anyone pondered the fact that because Donnie is successful in going back in time and dieing, he is now not in a position to uncover Jim Cunningham’s pedo ring?<hr></blockquote> Yeah, he commits suicide and you see him crying at the end, after Donnie accepts his fate. So perhaps Cunning gets saved? Whatever that might mean in this movie.

by **thoughtographer** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:44 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> Yeah, he commits suicide and you see him crying at the end, after Donnie accepts his fate. So perhaps Cunning gets saved? Whatever that might mean in this movie.<hr></blockquote> I don't know if you've read the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Cunningham_%28Donnie_Darko%29">Wikipedia page about Jim Cunningham</a>, but it's worth a look. Here's an interesting bit: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Jim Cunningham's hypocrisy is displayed on two levels during Donnie Darko. In the Tangent Universe, Frank instructs Donnie Darko to burn Cunningham's house. Donnie obeys, and the fire reveals a secret stash of child pornography, dubbed by the media as the "Kiddie Porn Dungeon". Cunningham's career is destroyed, and faces court charges (allowing Donnie to take revenge for what Jim had done to him earlier). Alternatively, in the Primary Universe, ten days after Donnie's jet engine death, Cunningham is found dead on hole fourteen by a group of golfers at the Saratosa Heights Country Club golf course, on October 12, 1988. His body has an apparently self-inflicted gunshot wound. Strangely, the police search his Middlesex compound for a suicide note, only to find the interior of the house completely bare. His corporate successor, Linda Connie, issues a statement saying "We are shocked and devastated by the loss of our dear friend, Jim Cunningham. He was an example of excellence in life. His vision of love will live on for ages, and we will not allow another survivor to succumb to the path of fear." (Transcript from the Middlesex Times - Dispatch, October 12, 1988, Donnie Darko Official Website)<hr></blockquote> The <a href="http://www.donniedarko.com/CV/cv.html">Cunning Visions</a> page at the Donnie Darko site backs this up, and prominently features "Linda Connie", who can be heard in the mock commentary track found on the full "Cunning Visions" promo in the extras menu. Anyway, the Cunning Visions websites links all go to a phony 404 page, which is interesting in its own right. "A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."

by JD » Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:54 am

So the pedo ring was never exposed? When I first went through the web page I thought "Hah, got what he had coming". Now, I'm not so sure. Did he commit suicide? Or was he "suicided"? The school principal who is probably a pedo too (the scene in which Donnie gets out the bus) isn't at all mentioned. So is this saying the pedos suffer the loss of one of their number and the game goes on? This is disturbing, albeit unfortunately realistic. Any connection between Donnie waking up on the Golf Course instead of being dead in his bedroom?

by **thoughtographer** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:57 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>So is this saying the pedos suffer the loss of one of their number and the game goes on? This is disturbing, albeit unfortunately realistic.<hr></blockquote> Yeah, that's what I took away from it. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Any connection between Donnie waking up on the Golf Course instead of being dead in his bedroom?<hr></blockquote> I think so, but can't make it fit at the moment. "A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."

by **steve vegas** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:55 am

INCREDIBLE!!!! I saw this in the theater when it came out and really liked it then, but wasn't profoundly impacted, I was probably watching too many movies at the time. I'm almost finished watching the directors cut. What a great movie, being a 1980's teenager myself I found it to capture the feel of those times quite well. Particularly their hangout w/the discarded furniture, we had a spot just like that complete w/discarded toilet. Anyway. My main comment is, NO, there is no parapolitical message hidden in the movie, the parapolitical message is totally overt, I don't see any hiding at all. As far as the director claiming he just makes movies without any covert agenda, that he leaves that kind of analysis to the viewers, is, I suppose, possible, but I shudder to think what that says about our (American) culture that death head bunnies, alter states, pedophilia (overt as in Patrick Swayze's character - btw how great was that casting - and subliminal as in "Sparkle Motion" - SICK SICK SICK) are all so ingrained in our collective conciousness that they can appear in a movie as just images, or products of the imagination of the filmmaker. As much as I don't want to buy that, I think it's entirely possible. Regardless, the movie definitely holds up a mirror to a world that I presume most RI'ers believe exists in a way that no other movie I can think of does. Perhaps I'll have some more profound analysis to offer after finishing it.

by **thoughtographer** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:08 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>My main comment is, NO, there is no parapolitical message hidden in the movie, the parapolitical message is totally overt, I don't see any hiding at all.<hr></blockquote> I think the main question posed by this thread is one of specifics, ie. "Was Richard Kelly leaving clues in 'Donnie Darko' pertaining to specific organizations and people?" My answer to that question is "probably" at the moment, and will reamain that way indefinitely. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>As far as the director claiming he just makes movies without any covert agenda, that he leaves that kind of analysis to the viewers, is, I suppose, possible, but I shudder to think what that says about our (American) culture that death head bunnies, alter states, pedophilia (overt as in Patrick Swayze's character - btw how great was that casting - and subliminal as in "Sparkle Motion" - SICK SICK SICK) are all so ingrained in our collective conciousness that they can appear in a movie as just images, or products of the imagination of the filmmaker.<hr></blockquote> I suppose it could be argued that they only exist as vague images reflected from our culture only if we choose to view them as such. The many and varied views of the overall message of the movie support that argument, but to some, it's a reasonable response to take those images and apply them to actual events. It's almost like a treasure map that leads you to a landfill. "A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:33 am

Is there a neo-Nazi reference in DD? Try this on. Thoughtographer wrote-"Here's an interesting bit": <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Jim Cunningham's hypocrisy is displayed on two levels during Donnie Darko. In the Tangent Universe, Frank instructs Donnie Darko to burn Cunningham's house. Donnie obeys, and the fire reveals a secret stash of child pornography, dubbed by the media as the "Kiddie Porn Dungeon". Cunningham's career is destroyed, and faces court charges (allowing Donnie to take revenge for what Jim had done to him earlier). Alternatively, in the Primary Universe, ten days after Donnie's jet engine death, Cunningham is found dead on hole fourteen by a group of golfers at the Saratosa Heights Country Club golf course, on October 12, 1988. His body has an apparently self-inflicted gunshot wound. Strangely, the police search his Middlesex compound for a suicide note, only to find the interior of the house completely bare. His corporate successor, Linda Connie, issues a statement saying "We are shocked and devastated by the loss of our dear friend, Jim Cunningham. He was an example of excellence in life. His vision of love will live on for ages, and we will not allow another survivor to succumb to the path of fear." (Transcript from the Middlesex Times - Dispatch, October 12, 1988, Donnie Darko Official Website)<hr></blockquote> Someone upthread wrote that "there were lots of '8's and '88's." '88' is a white supremecist code for 'Heil Hitler' (10/12/88) and '14 words' is also a white supremecist code (14th hole). These are related to 'The Order,' a neo-Nazi group run by William Pierce who once worked on jet propulsion at Pratt and Whitney (jet engine death.) <a href="http://www.tolerance.org/rthas/section4_1_2.jsp">www.tolerance.org/rthas/section4_1_2.jsp</a> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Symbols of Hate 88 This number, widely used by neo-Nazis and others, is shorthand for "Heil Hitler." H is the eighth letter of the alphabet, and so the abbreviation H.H. is translated as 88. 14 Words Shorthand for a slogan coined by David Lane, an imprisoned member of the Order, or Silent Brotherhood: "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children." The Order was a revolutionary neo-Nazi group responsible for the theft of millions of dollars in armored car heists and the murder of a Jewish radio talk show host in the 1980s.<hr></blockquote> <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4468047-103684,00.html">www.guardian.co.uk/print/...84,00.html</a> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>William Pierce, the leading ideologue of America's neo-Nazi movement, who published a book that inspired the bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building in 1995, has died of cancer aged 68. A trained physicist, Pierce founded the National Alliance, the most successful, wealthiest and best-organised hate group in the US, which he ran from a building on his 400 acres of grounds near Hillsboro, West Virginia. The movement never had more than about 1,500 members, but Pierce's influence extended well beyond his membership. .... Pierce inspired other hate crimes, including a wave of violent robberies and murders during the 1980s carried out by the Order, another white supremacist splinter group, and the machine-gun murder of the Jewish radio talk show host Alan Berg in Denver in 1984.  .... Pierce was also a shrewd manipulator of his potential public. He formed a group called the National Youth Alliance in 1970 and believed in recruiting from the young.  .... After teaching physics at Oregon State University, and working briefly in jet propulsion at a Pratt & Whitney laboratory, he turned to extremist politics in the mid-1960s...<hr></blockquote>

by **FourthBase** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:36 am

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