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Re: Numbers and death, Donnie Dark, David Duke

Postby thoughtographer » Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:42 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Is there a neo-Nazi reference in DD? Try this on.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>That's one way to look at it. Following that route, it would seem to be a condemnation of the neo-nazi ideology, understandably masked for reasons of self-preservation.<br><br>P.S. - I suggest you perform the following search on google:<br>"David Duke" "Donnie Darko"<br><br>The irony of the discussion I'm reading is killing me. <p><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=thoughtographer>thoughtographer</A> at: 4/6/06 2:52 am<br></i>
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Re: Numbers and death, Donnie Dark, David Duke

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:01 am

*gag*<br><br>Well, I did a search with those two names and the results had too many Stormfront discussions of Donnie Darkly. Racists sure like the film.<br><br>Ech.<br><br>They mostly all loved it but with the caveat that they 'try not to watch films made by Jews'...gag, wretch, grrr.<br><br>Here's a defining critique from one of those severely limited individuals-<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I basically like movies like this that are set in a nice clean white neighborhood. Much more enjoyable than something set in a city or worse, in an apartment building like those TV sitcoms.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I'm sorry I brought it up, deed I am.<br>Have I mentioned I don't much like movies at all? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Numbers and death, Donnie Dark, David Duke

Postby Gouda » Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:13 am

thoughtog, took your suggestion. Wound up at the 'donnie darko' thread at stormfront (talk about the tangential universe!)<br><br>The consensus seems to be a 'thumbs up' for its creativity, good music, and time travel complexities. <br><br>Whitebamboo kicks off the discussion with these observations: <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Plot Outline: Highschooler Donnie is plagued by visions of a giant evil rabbit who orders him to commit acts of violence and predicts the impending end of the world. This is one of the most interesting and creative movies I have ever seen in my life. Practically not a single nig in the whole movie. Movie makes fun of gays and has some interesting time travel concepts. The movie does have some jews, but then again its hard to find a movie without any.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> "Medieval" comments: <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I just saw Donnie Darko recently and I really liked it! I know that some of it I didn't really understand..but perhaps I have to watch it a few more times? The funniest line in the movie is when one of Donnie Darko's friends says to the fat Chinese chick..."go back to China bitch!<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> Good old "Leeb" sez: <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I basically like movies like this that are set in a nice clean white neighborhood. Much more enjoyable than something set in a city or worse, in an apartment building like those TV sitcoms.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> "Prometheus": <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I though this movie was excellent, though I didn't fully understand it. One of the best I've seen in a long time.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> "Critterfarm" takes a principled stand against Jake Gyllenhaal: <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I'd rather not see a movie starring someone who supports the things I stand against - <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.jakegyllenhaal.com/causes.html">www.jakegyllenhaal.com/causes.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> and some WN perspective from "Baroque":<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Didn't think this was a very WN movie. Somethings from memory (awhile since I saw it) to watch for:<br><br>The use of doubles - double initials (Donny Darko), the music (Tears for Fears a duo, the singer of the song "Love will tear us apart" was a schizophrenic).<br><br>The use of the number 8.<br><br>Little details like the movie theatre showing "The Last Temptation of Christ", a movie about Jesus being saved from the cross and living with Mary Magdelne, until he rejects this temptation and is once again back on the cross.<br><br>The binary Love and Fear.<br><br>Sparrow, the psychopomp... and so on.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Numbers and death, Donnie Dark, David Duke

Postby Gouda » Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:15 am

hey hugh, looks like we were infiltrating stormfront at the same time.... <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Numbers and death, Donnie Dark, David Duke

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:23 am

Gawd, those comments read like satire but they aren't.<br>I hope they all stay home and watch TV never to venture out again.<br><br>"Don't leave your homes. It's all ethnics out here. Save yourselves! <br>ZOMBIES!"<br><br>Ok, enough Donnie Dark for me. Too dark. <p></p><i></i>
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Stormfront and Donnie?

Postby JD » Thu Apr 06, 2006 1:32 pm

Well isn't that interesting. <br><br>The Stormfront Crowd likes DD and takes it's own messages from it. <br><br>Who would have thought that.<br><br>Did anyone get past the jet engine discussion on the website? I only got that far and couldn't get further. There might be more though. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Stormfront and Donnie?

Postby thoughtographer » Thu Apr 06, 2006 1:37 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The Stormfront Crowd likes DD and takes it's own messages from it.<br><br>Who would have thought that.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>Yeah, and if they were even capable of catching a whiff of the implication that the Cunningham character was killed for betrayal, I'm sure they would say something like: "snitchers and talkers get stiches and walkers" or some such slogan. <p><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></p><i></i>
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Re: Drew

Postby Gouda » Fri Apr 07, 2006 7:22 am

Drew Barrymore, executive producer. <br><br>I wonder about Drew Barrymore's youth. Starting off her career with these films: <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Altered States</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> with Ken Russell at the age of 5? <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>ET</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> at 7. <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Firestarter</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> at 9. A lost period of sex n’ drugs. Then she made her comeback with <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Poison Ivy</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> and <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Doppelganger</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->.<br><br>I also found it odd that her character Ms. Pommeroy, as the english teacher, puts Gretchen, the new arrival, on the spot in front of the whole class when she suggests that Gretchen decide to sit next to who she thinks is the cutest guy. I found that unecessarily cruel, a form of control, or even <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>suggestion</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->, via sexual humiliation. It could also be seen as Pommeroy 'guiding' her to Donnie, a savior of sorts. <br><br>Pommeroy/Barrymore recites this from Graham Greene's 'The Destructors': "It was as though this plan had been with him all his life, pondered through the seasons, now in his fifteenth year crystallized with the pain of puberty."<br><br>***<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Donnie: [reading poem in class] A storm is coming, Frank says / A storm that will swallow the children / And I will deliver them from the kingdom of pain / I will deliver the children back the their doorsteps / And send the monsters back to the underground / I'll send them back to a place where no-one else can see them / Except for me / Because I am Donnie Darko. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>Reads like<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em> Catcher in the Rye</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Drew

Postby FourthBase » Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:00 am

Gouda, great point about Barrymore.<br><br>And that poem <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>definitely</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> suggests a Franklinesque situation.<br><br>Re: Frank's suit...I wonder if it's in any way related to that animal costume fetish (furry? fluffy?) which I get the sense is a favorite fetish of child rapists. Not that all who partake in that fetish are pedophiles. Just wondering...<br><br>p.s. Just seeing the words "Frank's suit" made me think of "Franklin lawsuit"...probably means nothing, but this great thread is all about trial by assocation. <p></p><i></i>
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The Monsters Back to the Underground

Postby JD » Fri Apr 07, 2006 2:20 pm

Wow - I've never seen the Director's Cut. This isn't in the regular version.<br><br>"And send the monsters back to the underground <br><br>I'll send them back to a place where no-one else can see them"<br><br>Now in the context of what the fate of Cunningham on the website in which the pedo ring was never busted and Cunningham was never revealed as a pedo:<br><br>Everything stayed "underground" and into hiding where no one could see what was happening. This is exactly what the poem predicted would happen.<br><br>Drat. I used to think this movie had a bit of affirmation of good defeating evil. The more one looks at it this isn't at all the case.<br><br>Fourth - neat observation wrt the Franks and Suits.<br><br>Here's a question for all: Are we just stretching and makin' a bunch of shit up on interpreting this show? Or is it real art with all kinds of real meaning? That was the starting point of the thread, and think at this point it is interesting to reflect upon it.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Postby Ted the dog » Fri Apr 07, 2006 5:37 pm

"Here's a question for all: Are we just stretching and makin' a bunch of shit up on interpreting this show? Or is it real art with all kinds of real meaning? That was the starting point of the thread, and think at this point it is interesting to reflect upon it."<br><br><br>Good point. I don't see this as any of us stating that "Yes, this movie IS about these things..." I view it as we're all just seeing where some analysis takes us.<br><br>It's been said a few times in the thread that the director/writer purposely left the movie kind of open-ended...open to multiple interpretations.<br><br>I dunno...I do think that he's hinting at a lot of what's been discussed. He was probably a kid during the time the movie takes place (198<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> and I'm sure he had heard about the pedophilia "discoveries" of that time period. <br><br><br>He could have seen a copy of a true crime book or something that delved into this subject matter. Hell, I remember being a pre-teenager and seeing a story about a young boy that was kidnapped, raped and then castrated and it haunted me for a decade. The boy ended up being OK, they re-attached his organ and everything, but it was horrifically traumatic just reading about it.<br><br>I think these things do stick with you and they do color the way you view the world later in life...even to the point of affecting your artwork. IMHO, Donnie Darko is real art with a lot of different avenues to travel down. More movies should be like this...kind of non-linear in terms of interpretation. The movie itself takes on a multi-dimensional quality, even while analyzing it after the fact. <br><br><br><br><br><br>"It could also be seen as Pommeroy 'guiding' her to Donnie, a savior of sorts."<br><br>After reading your post, I realized that Donnie is pretty much the only male character of any worth in the entire film, with the exception of Noah Wiley. <br><br>Donnie's two friends are a couple of moronic putzes...the other two prominent male students are bullies, coke heads and they like to intimidate women....Donnie's dad SEEMS like he's an OK guy, but there's just something lurking under the skin with him....something just not quite right. He seems like a representation of the "Shit, I dunno! I figured George Bush would do a good job! How was I to know the country would end up in the toilet?!! Aw hell, let's get a burger and some beers!" mentality of people in the US that voted for Bush because they were told that John Kerry was a "flip-flopper".....people that are decent people, even politically aware and involved, but just got fooled way too easily. Now they don't feel like dealing with it so they shrug it off and figure "maybe next time".<br><br><br>Noah Wiley's character is the only other male in the film aside from Donnie that doesn't seem like he's some kind of monster, about to reveal his true self by ripping off his human skin. He's the only one that isn't hiding something horrible...and he still might have been, given what we learned on the website. <br><br>Every other character on screen for any significant amount of time is a woman and their ranks are made up of weirdoes, bitches, mom-types, kid sisters, freaky teachers with (possibly) good intentions, etc...the whole nine yards. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: ...

Postby thoughtographer » Fri Apr 07, 2006 5:48 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I think these things do stick with you and they do color the way you view the world later in life...even to the point of affecting your artwork. IMHO, Donnie Darko is real art with a lot of different avenues to travel down. More movies should be like this...kind of non-linear in terms of interpretation. The movie itself takes on a multi-dimensional quality, even while analyzing it after the fact.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>Sing it, brother!<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Noah Wiley's character is the only other male in the film aside from Donnie that doesn't seem like he's some kind of monster, about to reveal his true self by ripping off his human skin. He's the only one that isn't hiding something horrible...and he still might have been, given what we learned on the website.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>I agree, but I did note one thing in the "Mad World" montage regarding the Monitoff character. He's in bed with Pomeroy, who's sleeping soundly. He leans over to kiss her, looking somewhat guilt-stricken. Of course, maybe I'm total upside-down here, but I took it as a reflection of his reticence to speak openly for fear of losing his job. <p><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=thoughtographer>thoughtographer</A> at: 4/7/06 3:48 pm<br></i>
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Not in that world.......

Postby JD » Fri Apr 07, 2006 6:27 pm

That Mad World collection of scenes happens in the universe in which Donnie dies from the plane engine.<br><br>So the conversation about not losing his job didn't happen in that world. So whatever he's feeling/thinking has nothing to do with anything he said to Donnie in the universe where Donnie woke up on the golf course. <br><br>LMAO - I wonder if anyone is reading this who hasn't seen the movie? They must be wondering WTF are we talking about.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Not in that world.......

Postby thoughtographer » Fri Apr 07, 2006 6:57 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>That Mad World collection of scenes happens in the universe in which Donnie dies from the plane engine.<br><br>So the conversation about not losing his job didn't happen in that world. So whatever he's feeling/thinking has nothing to do with anything he said to Donnie in the universe where Donnie woke up on the golf course.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>Yes, but it's implied that the characters are feeling the repercussions of the events that took place in the other universe. Well, uh -- that's what I got from it, and I think I've seen others interpret the montage in the same way. If not, then, uh -- I gotta go take a leak. <p><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></p><i></i>
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Mad World

Postby streeb » Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:14 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Well, uh -- that's what I got from it, and I think I've seen others interpret the montage in the same way. If not, then, uh -- I gotta go take a leak. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>In the end this is one of the movie's great strengths, isn't it? With the exception of Cherita (who I'm starting to view as a sort of guardian angel), nobody is completely knowable in Donnie Darko. Nobody's motives are clear, and everyone is allowed some complexity - even Cunningham who is seen in the end to be anguished. Ms. Pommeroy seems to be a good person, but, as Gouda pointed out, her first encounter with Gretchen is jarring and creepy. Monitoff is totally ambivalent. Christ knows what his deal is, but he can express kindness, obviously. To me his behaviour in the final montage points to a troubled mind, like he's a spook with a conscience.<br><br>Anyway - the point I wanted to make is that such ambiguities could have made for a muddled and arch picture, but Donnie Darko is still, somehow, emotionally coherent - whatever any of us think it's about (or any of the fuckwits at Stormfront, for that matter). It's unsettling but weirdly satisfying at the same time. Pretty rare, really. <p></p><i></i>
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