AboveTopSecret.com is a Google-bomb scam.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Laura Knight-Jadczyk at TheSignsoftheTimes website examines the cyber-mechanics of today's COINTELPRO culture. I don't read TSOTT but searches for COINTELPRO keep bringing up her site and last year I found 'How to Spot a Spy' at her site.<br><br>As an example of how much of the internet is government and spooks, she does a pretty good job of investigating who is behind the AboveTopSecret.com website here-<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/2006/01/cointelpro-updates-above-top-secret.html">laura-knight-jadczyk.blog...ecret.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>She outlines how ATS seems to be supported by Google when it shouldn't be and certainly does when ATS manipulates pages for Google status.<br><br>All rather technical but many RI readers are up to it-<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/2006/01/abovetopsecret-ethics-and-google-bombs.html#links">laura-knight-jadczyk.blog...html#links</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Abovetopsecret.com is quite simply using its members as a free labor force to do work for them: Get more pages in Google which will draw more people to the site which will increase the labor force which will create more pages to get more people, to make more money.<br><br>Despite its claims about ETHICS, the bottom line is that Abovetopsecret.com is its own Google Bomb. ATS is an example of everything self-serving in our current reality - it is a microcosm of the Free market system, of corrupt government, democracy, business, almost everything that is wrong with this reality; all this is expressed in how abovetopsecret.com operates.<br><br>If the site is not directly handled by COINTELPRO, if the Abovetopsecret.com "Amigos" are not conscious COINTELPRO agents, then they are by default; it serves the same purpose because the infection of pathological elements reigns supreme there.<br><br>The 3 Amigos (Owners) manipulate everything about this site. They have figured out a way to manipulate google (that is why they put a thread link called "CoIntelPro" in the banner of every thread page, to push any search results for cointelpro and abovetopsecret deep into the google search pages behind them).<br><br>They do much behind closed doors but they show their arrogance freely throughout the site. They push their rules right and left, but they, as owners and moderators break them freely and regularly, seemingly as they please.<br><br>In short, it is all one giant marketing manipulation and the owners do not give a flip about the members or what is actually produced as a public consumable, so as long as it serves what is obviously their targeted purpose : To suck in more members to post which creates more indexed pages, to attract more readers, to vector their thinking and make money, and around and around it goes. It is rather amazing how the entire thing is designed and how most posters there haven't got a clue. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>

[Et in Arcadia ego]

Who gives a shit about abovetopsecret? In the time I've known you, I've seen you key-jack half the words in the Conspirator's Bible..<br><br>Does that make you a spook?<br><br>Or me?<br><br> <p>____________________<br>Wehret den Anfängen</p><i></i>

[Attack Ships on Fire]

Well dress me up and take me out dancing, Hugh and I actually see eye-to-eye on something! When did Hell get an NHL franchise? <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>I visit ATS and it's the internet's equivalent of the National Enquirer. While I wouldn't go so far as to say that the people running the site are counterintel or on some gov't payroll, I do agree that the only thing they are interested in is making money from internet advertising. They're not interested in presenting a forum where people can have discussions that try to advance the knowledge base; instead, they allow anyone (as long as they aren't flaming or outright attacking another user) the opportunity to discuss the craziest things even when it flies in the face of common sense. Hey, they're allowed to make money from their endeavors and I support that, just as I would support Jeff trying to make a few bucks running RigInt, but I don't give them any slack if their signal to noise ratio is piss poor.<br><br>A good example is their UFO and Aliens forum. You've got two fellas over there, John Lear and someone named "Sleeper", that are presenting "facts" about supposed soul collectors stationed on the moon, how Saturn looks nothing like any of the photos snapped by NASA's space probes and dozens of other wild claims without one shred of evidence, proof or corroboration backing them up. Nothing, nada. Yet the threads go on and on, with skeptics trying to say their piece and get some kind of acknowledgement from these two and they are ignored. And on and on it goes for dozens of pages...<br><br>I know hard evidence is next to impossible to present in the field of Ufology, and I'm not saying that anyone that has some theory or personal story to relate should be silenced. What I am suggesting goes on at ATS is a blatant attempt to allow anyone to say their piece, and if you happen to be a celebrity in some fashion, you are given preferential treatment. I've seen John Lear given wide quarter when his theories are debated, and on the other side of the coin I have seen James Oberg given just as wide latitude...in fact I've read messages from Oberg that would constitute as attacks on other ATS members. To the best of my knowledge, Oberg has never received a warning from a moderator. Lear just goes on and on about "the truth he believes" even when people blow holes in his theories. He refuses to change his beliefs no matter what evidence is given; it's a classic case of one having a closed mind and using their credentials to gain respectibility instead of letting the facts speak for themselves.<br><br>ATS has huge traffic and a wide selection of forums about counter-culture, alternative news and paranormal subjects -- but your bang the buck is considerably small. Even in discussions I've partaken on here in which I strongly disagree with an individual's viewpoint, at least the RigInt crowd make you *think* and keep you on your toes.<br><br>ATS is to the internet what the Coast to Coast radio show is to the airwaves: a wide audience and a lot of fluff entertainment about murky subjects. Better entertainment than watching sitcoms but good luck getting anything out of there that you can use*.<br><br>*although I did get a neat idea for a sci-fi book from one thread cuz it was just so kooky. Hugh, when the movie rights are optioned and it gets produced as a summer blockbuster, I'm asking you to remember this thread as proof that at least that one film wasn't conceived of in some black ops mind control think tank.**<br><br>**although I take no responsibility for the ad campaign which will undoubtedly use young stars dressed in cameo gear, probably portray the military in a positive light and also use scenes of destruction and mayhem to reinforce alliegiance to government authority and control. Aside from any of those issues, it was all my idea. OK? Great! <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=attackshipsonfire>Attack Ships on Fire</A> at: 10/28/06 5:15 am<br></i>

[Dreams End]

Don't know anything about ATS, but LKJ gets her info by channeling it from aliens and has quite a little cult going. Just wanted to put that out in case someone got intrigued by the site. She particularly thinks this one guy who left her organization is part of a COINTELPRO op...but I've read his story and given what I know about LKJ it sounded legit to me.<br><br>A side note of interest to those following the deep parapolitics out there...as in reference to the thread on Coppens, the Nine and Stargate, LKJ met her husband, a physicist in a very "synchonistic way". I don't remember the details, but it involved the Hungarian university that was fully endowed by George Soros. Soros is also involved with the Gorbachev, State of the World forum..and via THAT, you connect to all the weirdness that Jack Sarfatti talks about...Esalen, Einhorn, Geller, SRI and Puharich, etc etc etc. And though it is not "the nine" that LKJ channels, it's a group of alien intelligences that are a lot like the nine. Sure wish I knew what it was all about but stay away from SOTT. As an ironic note...I've actually had my name mentioned on that site via a link to a Dave McGowan piece. <p></p><i></i>

[wordspeak]

I'd heard of ATP, but not LKJ.<br><br>Does anyone feel like naming parapolitical (or in any way political) sites/blogs that you do like, besides RI? <p></p><i></i>

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Who gives a shit about abovetopsecret? In the time I've known you, I've seen you <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>key-jack half the words in the Conspirator's Bible..<br></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>Does that make you a spook?<br><br>Or me?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>In this post it makes you incoherent and guilty of hit-and-run posting..<br><br>As to "who gives a shit" about ATS, I posted it because it is very educational about the sophisticated interplay of greed and deception on the internet that <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>more of us should know even exists and possibly understand.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Why? Because it mirrors the pre-internet history of spooks and crooks working together or merely parallel to dupe the masses.<br><br>Imagine if the internet existed on 11/22/63. There would've probably been a Lee Harvey Oswald website with threats and rants against JFK written by Lucien Conein. And other websites with lots of Roswell aliens to keep people away from the internet altogether and listening toWalter Cronkite reading what Sig Mickelson got on his private line from Allen Dulles.<br><br>So I think we should examine intellectual products to see what effect they have on human understanding and behavior and also discern whether it is intentional or otherwise.<br><br>Your welcome. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hughmanateewins>Hugh Manatee Wins</A> at: 10/28/06 12:05 pm<br></i>

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>the ad campaign which will undoubtedly use young stars dressed in cameo gear, probably portray the military in a positive light and also use scenes of destruction and mayhem to reinforce alliegiance to government authority and control.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>lol. A sure path to success!<br><br>To clarify what LKJ wrote in her piece, she does say that <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>whether or not ATS is a deliberate COINTELPRO website, it has the same effect. </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>This is an important point that I try to make repeatedly about the 'suspects' I bring on to this board for examination. When attempting to determine guilt or innocence by looking for motivation, one must keep in mind the net effect. Courts do this for a reason. There is criminal negligence, manslaughter, murder in various degrees.<br><br>So not only must the truth be identified in the first place, when it is assaulted various degrees of criminality must be discerned from ignorance to carelessness to cold-blooded murder.<br><br>This makes us citizen jurors working a heavy case load every day with more sophisticated deceptions to examine than any previous human generation. <p></p><i></i>

[rocco33]

For the 3rd time now I'm trying to write this. Has anyone noticed all the bugs and gremlins with forums lately? Especially anything tied to Google. Terrible. IN any case, let me see if I can remember and hit "copy" before it disappears for a 3rd time.<br><br> I agree that anyone who is making an honest effort to out cointel is great. But I have my doubts on the players. Look at the field. Darryl Bradford Smith. His own brother calls into Pipers show and rats him out.<br><br> The others who seem to be the most disruptive straight out of the Operation Chaos handbook are Lisa Giuliani and Victor Thorn. Have any of you heard the SOTT interviews with Giuliani from a few months back? It's pretty ridiculous that Laura buys into Giuliani so completely. <br><br>Who <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>IS</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> Lisa Giuliani really? Are we supposed to believe they have this plush, high-bandwith video and audio internet show on a rural Penn. cabbie's earnings as Thorn claims? They both slam other truth-tellers endlessly, and then when some kids in Florida on Revere Radio retaliate and turn the table, in a joking manner I might add, she calls the FBI on them and wants them jailed? I mean come on! At the very least she's a pure 100 percent rat. And anyone who can call themselves a "truthteller" and successfully call the FBI on others and get action is very, very suspect in my mind. <br><br> I've had my own experiences with the Feds about being hacked and had some very strange things happen to me after reporting the hacking that I won't get into now. But for the FBI to lift a finger like they did is totally suspect IMO. <br><br>Here's the link to the SOTT podcasts. I can't link directly to Giuliani's 2 parter, but it's about 10 or 11 down on the list. <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://signs-of-the-times.org/podcast/index.php">signs-of-the-times.org/podcast/index.php</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Secondly, about Above Top Secret. I have always thought it to be bunk. They drew people in with their U.S. concentration camps piece, and then dropped the "Proof a 757 Hit the Pentagon" piece. I find it ironic that the MSM will constantly villify internet researchers, yet they've referred or directly used this ATS Pentagon piece as "proof" time and time again that we're all whacky. <br><br> I think there is a very good reason why they want to draw attention away from the Pentagon. It's the money trail. If you "follow the money" instead of "follow the thermite", you'll find that the very offices that were hit at the Pentagon were offices of people on their first day researching the missing trillions of Dov Zakheim as reported the day before by Rumsfeld. Dov is definitely one of the 9-11 culprits IMO. WHich, IMO, ties into the death of Paul O' Neill, the anthrax letters to Daschle and Leahy, etc. A Wellstone warning you might say to stay away from further investigations. <br><br>Staying with the thinking of "follow the money", why is it no one ever talks about the missing billions, if not trillions, of gold and silver bars from the wreckage of WTC 4,5, and 6? I mean its the biggest heist in history. Any of you seen either The Money Train or Die Hard 3? I think that is pretty close to exactly what happened. A great summation of the buried details of this part of the Octupus's operation that day can be found here...<br><br><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.8thestate.com/?page_id=11">9-11's Missing Gold</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>

[NavnDansk]

I posted info on Sibyl Edmund's new filmsite about the missing gold and someone posted a reply stating that the gold had been recovered and directed me to a site that went into the Federal Reserve. There were almost no posts on Sibyl's site and although she claimed that 911 was about gold price fixing in an interview on her <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://JustACitizen.com">JustACitizen.com</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> site - I don't think she ever said anything about the missing gold.<br><br>If one-third of the gold supply in the world had disappeared, wouldn't there have to be something published on that at least on the internet and I wonder if even the CM could ignore that.<br><br>I don't know - in googling Ft. Knox a while back after reading something in Democratic Undergrounds section on the BFEE - could only find information that a while back someone official tried to check to see if there was any gold at Ft. Knox and it seemed clear that the only thing left was some melted jewelry from WWII. I have read that the US went off the gold standard under Reagan (real president GHW Bush) but read recently that the US went off the gold standard under Nixon.<br><br>One of these days, it will be something I need to research but trying to stop the bush fires - everyday some fresh hell from this crew to read, understand and try to contact the CM and sometimes Congress to stop these destructive 2 year olds from blowing up the planet. Our poor enslaved troops, their CIC is a ...... <p></p><i></i>

[Et in Arcadia ego]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>As to "who gives a shit" about ATS, I posted it because it is very educational about the sophisticated interplay of greed and deception on the internet that more of us should know even exists and possibly understand.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Can someone please tell me why the hell Mr Manatee believes he handles the patent on intellectuality here, and why he thinks this extremely bright community would by default overlook 'greed and deception' on the internet?<br><br>There's a difference between not knowing places like this are possible and knowing they are and simply avoiding them, while further liberating themselves from it by 'not giving a shit' . Anytime you wanna step up to the plate, Mr Hugh, you're free to try moderating your own forum and do IP scans that reveal everything from the Alphabet Agencies to Big Pharma to NASA to Raytheon hanging quietly on your neck like a fucking tick when they're not creating provacateur accounts compelling people to shoot down airplanes so they can smash the entire forum group under the Patriot Act.<br><br>Please don't asssume I require education about anything, capiche? Nothing new under the Sun has flown from your brain to your keyboard to my gestalt, and I apologize if that offends your ego.<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>YOU'RE</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> welcome.. <p>____________________<br>Wehret den Anfängen</p><i></i>