'Jonestown' documentary opens. Soon PBS. No...CIA.

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'Jonestown' documentary opens. Soon PBS. No...CIA.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Mon Nov 06, 2006 5:22 pm

Put "Jim Jones" plus "CIA" in a search engine and learn what this amazing movie documents without spelling it out in so many words, a social experiment with spook participation which was 'liquidated' when it was exposed by a Congressman.<br><br>Jim Jones Jr. and documentary film maker Stanley Nelson did question-and-answer after the horrifying but utterly compelling film opening in the SF Bay area where Jones made a huge political splash before fleeing a hostile news story to a compound in South America where almost everyone in his People's Temple was killed in July 1978. CIA-hostile Congressman Leo Ryan also died at the airport as he tried to leave with an NBC camera crew and church members attempting to flee the jungle compound. Ryan was co-author of the Hughes-Ryan Act which would have limited CIA covert operations but the bill died when Ryan died.<br><br>In radio interviews with Nelson he has dismissed any "conspiracy theories" about Jones and portrays him as a lone psychopath as does his adopted son, Jim Jones Jr.<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://images.greencine.com/images/article/jtposterb.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>http://www.greencine.com/article?action=view&articleID=347<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>So what are your hopes for the documentary? <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Eventually, it's ending up on PBS, is it not? American Experience?<br><br>Yeah, it will be on American Experience probably in the middle of late 2007. </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->We're doing this theatrical run now. We open in New York on October 20, LA on October 27, and the Bay Area in three theaters on the 3rd of November, and then we go to seven or eight more cities around the country. <br>.....<br>Horrific and painfully harrowing. Backtracking just a bit, Marcia Smith is the writer?<br><br>She's my wife, too.<br><br>Oh, she's your wife? I didn't realize that. If I remember correctly, she said that she heard a radio broadcast of Peoples Temple members reminiscing at the 25th anniversary and that's what got her juices flowing about wanting to do this documentary. Did she bring it to you? Did you both hear it at the same time? What got you going on it?<br><br>To be honest, I've always told this story in the simple way, which is like I heard this thing; but, no, what really happened was my wife heard it. She heard them on the radio. We work together and she said these people are incredible, you should hear it. I think it was on an NPR show. So we got the tape and then I listened to it. It was just amazing. We heard Peoples Temple members describing their own experiences and their experience was so different from the experience I had heard of Peoples Temple. They talked about how wonderful their experience with these people was, with the people who were part of the Peoples Temple. How they were part of something bigger than themselves. Part of a truly integrated church. They still spoke of Peoples Temple with a great degree of fondness.<br>.....<br>In the very first line of the film, the first thing you hear is a Peoples Temple member who says, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>"Nobody joins a cult." Nobody joins something that they think is going to hurt them. </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->Which is critical. People don't join something they think is a cult. You have to look back at it and look at it from the outside. The Peoples Temple members that we talked to, every single one of them says they never thought of themselves as a cult. They can look back on it now and say, "Oh yeah, maybe we were." But they didn't see themselves as a cult.<br><br>Another thing that somebody else says in the film was, "I gave my will and my rights over to Jim Jones because I thought he had a better plan." Another person tells the story where they talk about the kind of crazy things happening in the church where Jim Jones has a woman strip naked in front of a bunch of people while they insult her body and publicly humiliate her. He said, "I knew it was wrong but I didn't do a thing to speak up."<br><br>It's not only recognizing the fanaticism, but it's also speaking up against what you think is wrong. We have so many people today, especially in this area, who oppose the war. I don't see those people out there in the streets. If you don't stand up and say, "This is wrong," then it's going to keep going on.<br><br>I recently interviewed Paul Rachman who has this documentary out called American Hardcore about the hardcore punk movement. Very short-lived, very angry movement, here in San Francisco and different cities around the States. That was one of his main premises. He believes as a culture we've lost our anger, the natural anger that our youth had that would cause a ruckus when they in their gut knew something is wrong. Nowadays most are acquiescent, complacent, distracted by entertainment. I thought his was an interesting comment. Because of these historical episodes - Jonestown, Waco - do you think that people are less inclined now to be involved in these utopian communities?<br><br>Y<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>eah. I think one of the things that Jonestown did was to equate utopian communities with disaster and equate utopian communities with fanatics so that, by the time you get to Waco, they were fanatics; they weren't a bunch of normal people who got together. What Jonestown said to so many people at the time was: here's what it leads to, here's what these utopian communities lead to.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>I think that the one thing that all of us know who were around back at that time - you said you were a hippie boy, so was I - everybody who was around at that time knows that things didn't have to end up the way that they did. It was that cubic centimeter of things falling the way they did. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>If you asked me, would we be in this place that we are now with religion being so important in America, with America being in wars all over the world, with half the world being in a war with somebody else, with people still wearing suits and ties, if you would have asked me that 30, 35 years ago, I would have said that's totally impossible.<br></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Q: Because we were changing the world.<br><br>We were changing the world and there was no way. What we have to understand is we were that close. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>It was that close, and certain things fell to the wrong side, and part of that was Jonestown. </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: 'Jonestown' documentary opens. Soon PBS. No...CIA.

Postby darkbeforedawn » Mon Nov 06, 2006 6:46 pm

It's a preemptive strike against conspiracy theorists. Once you start to see the pattern in the wall paper (think 9-11) Jonestown just cries out for the real account of what sicko government monsters were behind this one. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: 'Jonestown' documentary opens. Soon PBS. No...CIA.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue Nov 07, 2006 5:05 am

This is by far the best analysis of the Jim Jones phenomenon I've found. (Note the scrambled jpg. Why is that, do you suppose?)<br><br>Please read all of this article. It has SO many statements about why people do what they do. <br><br>Herein are the principles of coercion used by spook media mind managers who work for the State Department and Pentagon to run the USA like a cult and get cannon fodder- <br><br>excerpt - <br>"Social psychological concepts can facilitate our understanding: viewed in terms of obedience and compliance. The processes that induced people to join and to believe in the Peoples Temple <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>made use of strategies involved in propaganda and persuasion.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> In grappling with the most perplexing questions - Why didn't more people leave the Temple? How could they actually kill their children and themselves? - <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>the psychology of self-justification provides some insight."</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.guyanaca.com/features/jonestown.html">www.guyanaca.com/features/jonestown.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong> An Analysis of Jonestown</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>by Neal Osherow<br><br><br>Read also Special Feature<br>Remembering Jonestown 20 Years After | More on Jonestown | Leo Ryan Revisiting Jonestown | Frequently Asked Questions<br><br>Updated June 24th. 2000<br><br><br>Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.<br>-quotation on placard over Jim Jones' rostrum at Jonestown<br><br>Close to one thousand people died at Jonestown. The members of the Peoples Temple settlement in Guyana, under the direction of the Reverend Jim Jones, fed a poison-laced drink to their children, administered the potion to their infants, and drank it themselves.Their bodies were found lying together, arm in arm; over 900 perished.<br><br>How could such a tragedy occur? The images of an entire community destroying itself, of parents killing their own children, appears incredible. The media stories about the event and full-color picturesof the scene documented some of its horror but did little toilluminate the causes or to explain the processes that led to the deaths. Even a year afterwards, a CBS Evening News broadcast asserted that it was widely assumed that time would offer some explanation for the ritualistic suicide/murder of over 900 people... One year later, it does not appear that any lessons have been uncovered (CBS News,1979).<br><br>The story of the Peoples Temple is not enshrouded in mystery, however. Jim Jones had founded his church over twenty years before, in Indiana. His preaching stressed the need for racial brotherhood and integration, and his group helped feed the poor and find them jobs. As his congregation grew, Jim Jones gradually increased the discipline and dedication that he required from the members. In 1965,he moved to northern California; about 100 of his faithful relocated with him. The membership began to multiply, new congregations were formed, and the headquarters was established in San Francisco.<br><br>Behind his public image as a beloved leader espousing interracial harmony, "Father," as Jones was called, assumed a messiah-like presence in the Peoples Temple. Increasingly, he became the personal object of the members devotion, and he used their numbers and obedience to gain political influence and power. Within the Temple, Jones demanded absolute loyalty, enforced a taxing regimen, and delivered sermons forecasting nuclear holocaust and an apocalyptic destruction of the world, promising his followers that they alone would emerge as survivors. Many of his harangues attacked racism and capitalism, but his most vehement anger focused on the "enemies" of the Peoples Temple - its detractors and especially its defectors. In mid-1977, publication of unfavorable magazine articles, coupled with the impending custody battle over a six-year-old Jones claimed as a "son," prompted emigration of the bulk of Temple membership to a jungle outpost in Guyana.<br><br>In November, 1978, Congressman Leo Ryan responded to charges that the Peoples Temple was holding people against their will atJonestown. He organized a trip to the South American settlement; a small party of journalists and "Concerned Relatives" of Peoples Temple members accompanied him on his investigation. They were in Jonestown for one evening and part of the following day. They heard most residents praise the settlement, expressing their joy at being there and indicating their desire to stay. Two families, however, slipped messages to Ryan that they wanted to leave with him. After the visit, as Ryan's party and these defectors tried to board planes to depart, the group was ambushed and fired upon by Temple gunmen -five people, including Ryan, were murdered.<br><br>As the shootings were taking place at the jungle airstrip, JimJones gathered the community at Jonestown. He informed them that the Congressman's party would be killed and then initiated the final ritual; the "revolutionary suicide" that the membership rehearsed on prior occasions. The poison was brought out. It was taken.<br><br>Jonestown's remoteness caused reports of the event to reach the public in stages. First came bulletins announcing the assassination of Congressman Ryan along with several members of his party. Then came rumors of mass-deaths at Jonestown, then confirmations. The initial estimates put the number of dead near 400, bringing the hope that substantial numbers of people had escaped into the jungle. But as the bodies were counted, many smaller victims were discovered under the corpses of larger ones - virtually none of the inhabitantsof Jonestown survived. The public was shocked, then incredulous.<br><br>Amid the early stories about the tragedy, along with the lurid descriptions and sensational photographs, came some attempts at analysis, Most discussed the charisma of Jim Jones and the power of "cults." Jones was described as "a character Joseph Conrad might have dreamt up" (Krause, 1978), a "self-appointed messiah" whose "lust for dominion" led hundreds of "fanatic" followers to their demise (Special Report: The Cult of Death, Newsweek, 1978a).<br><br>While a description in terms of the personality of the perpetrator and the vulnerability of the victims provides some explanation, it relegates the events to the category of being an aberration, a product of unique forces and dispositions. Assuming such a perspective distances us from the phenomenon. This might be comforting, but I believe that it limits our understanding and is potentially dangerous. My aim in this analysis is not to blunt the emotional impact of a tragedy of this magnitude by subjecting it to academic examination. At the same time, applying social psychological theory and research makes it more conceivable and comprehensible, thus bringing it closer (in kind rather than in degree) to processes each of us encounters. Social psychological concepts can facilitate our understanding: viewed in terms of obedience and compliance. The processes that induced people to join and to believe in the Peoples Temple made use of strategies involved in propaganda and persuasion. In grappling with the most perplexing questions - Why didn't more people leave the Temple? How could they actually kill their children and themselves? - the psychology of self-justification provides some insight.<br><br>Conformity<br><br>The character of a church . . . can be seen in its attitude toward its detractors.<br>--Hugh Prather, "Notes to Myself"<br><br>At one level, the deaths at Jonestown can be viewed as the productof obedience, of people complying with the orders of a leader and reacting to the threat of force. In the Peoples Temple, whatever Jim Jones commanded, the members did. When he gathered the community at the pavilion and the poison was brought out, the populace was surrounded by armed guards who were trusted lieutenants of Jones. There are reports that some people did not drink voluntarily but had the poison forced down their throats or injected (Winfrey, 1979).While there were isolated acts of resistance and suggestions of opposition to the suicides, excerpts from a tape, recorded as the final ritual was being enacted, reveal that such dissent was quickly dismissed or shouted down:<br><br>Jones: I've tried my best to give you a good life. In spite of all I've tried, a handful of people, with their lies, have made our life impossible. If we cant live in peace then lets die in peace. (Applause) . . . We have been so terribly betrayed . . .<br>What's going to happen here in the matter of a few minutes is that one of the people on that plane is going to shoot the pilot - I know that. I didn't plan it , but I know its going to happen.. . . .So my opinion is that you used to in ancient Greece , and step over quietly, because we are not committing suicide-its a revolutionary act . . ..<br>We cant go back . . . .<br><br>First Woman : I feel like that as there's life, there's hope.<br><br>Jones:Well, someday everybody dies .<br><br>Crowd : That's right , that's right!<br><br>Jones: What those people gone and done, and what they get throughwill make our lives worse than hell... But to me, death is not a fearful thing. Its living that's cursed... Not worth living like this.<br><br>First Woman: But I'm afraid to die.<br><br>Jones: I don't think you are. I don't think you are.<br><br>First Woman: I think there were too few who left for 1,200 people to give them their lives for those people who left... I look at all the babies and I think they deserve to live.<br><br>Jones: But don't they deserve much more they deserve peace. The best testimony we can give is to leave this goddam world.(Applause)<br><br>First Man: Its over, sister... We've made a beautiful day.(Applause)<br><br>Second Man: If you tell us we have to give our lives now, we're ready. (Applause) [Baltimore Sun, 1979.]<br><br>Above the cries of babies wailing, the tape continues, with Jones insisting upon the need for suicide and urging the people to complete the act:<br><br>Jones: Please get some medication. Simple. Its simple There's no convulsions with it... Don't be afraid to die. You'll see people land out here. They'll torture our people...<br><br>Second Woman: There's nothing to worry about. Everybody keep calm and try to keep your children calm... They're not crying from pain; its just a little bitter tasting...<br><br>Third Woman: This is nothing to cry about. This is something we could all rejoice about. (Applause)<br><br>Jones: Please, for Gods sake, lets get on with it... This is a revolutionary suicide. This is not a self-destructive suicide. (Voices praise, "Dad." Applause)<br><br>Third Man: Dad has brought us this far. My vote is to go with Dad...<br><br>Jones: We must die with dignity. Hurry, hurry, hurry. We must hurry... Stop this hysterics. Death is a million times more preferable to spending more days in this life... If you knew what was ahead, you'd be glad to be stepping over tonight...<br><br>Fourth Woman: Its been a pleasure walking with all of you in this revolutionary struggle... No other way I would rather go than to give my life for socialism. Communism, and I thank Dad very much.<br><br>Jones: Take our life from us... We didn't commit suicide. We committed an act of revolutionary suicide protesting against the conditions of an inhuman world. [Newsweek, 1978b,1979].<br><br>If you hold a gun at someone's head, you can get that person to do just about anything. As many accounts have attested, by the early 1970s the members of the Peoples Temple lived in constant fear of severe punishment and brutal beatings coupled with public humiliation for committing trivial or even inadvertent offenses. But the power of an authority need not be so explicitly threatening in order to induce compliance with its demands, as demonstrated by social psychological research. In Milgram's experiments (1963), a surprisingly high proportion of subjects obeyed the instructions of an experimenter to administer what they thought were very strong electric shocks to another person. Nor does the consensus of a group need be so blatantly coercive to induce agreement with its opinion, as Asch'sexperiments (1955) on conformity to the incorrect judgments of a majority indicate.<br><br>Jim Jones utilized the threat of severe punishment to impose the strict discipline and absolute devotion that he demanded, and he also took measures to eliminate those factors that might encourage resistance or rebellion among his followers. Research showed that the presence of a "disobedient" partner greatly reduced the extent to which most subjects in the Milgram situation (1965) obeyed the instructions to shock the person designated the "learner." Similarly, by including just one confederate who expressed an opinion different from the majority's, Asch (1955) showed that the subject would also agree far less, even when the "other dissenters" judgment was also incorrect and differed from the subjects. In the Peoples Temple, Jones tolerated no dissent, made sure that members had no allegiance more powerful than to himself, and tried to make the alternative of leaving the Temple an unthinkable option.<br><br>Jeanne Mills, who spent six years as high-ranking member beforebecoming one of the few who left the Peoples Temple, writes: "There was an unwritten but perfectly understood law in the church that was very important: No one is to criticize Father, wife, or his children" (Mills, 1979). Deborah Blakey, another long-time member who managed to defect, testified:<br><br>Any disagreement with [Jim Jones's] dictates came to be regarded as "treason." ....Although I felt terrible about what was happening, I was afraid to say anything because I knew that anyone with a differing opinion gained the wrath of Jones and other members.[Blakey, June 15, 1978.]<br><br>Conditions in the Peoples Temple became so oppressive, the discrepancy between Jim Jones's stated aims and his practices so pronounced, that it is almost inconceivable that members failed to entertain questions about the church. But these doubts were unreinforced. There were no allies to support one's disobedience of the leader's commands and no fellow dissenters to encourage the expression of disagreement with the majority. Public disobedience or dissent was quickly punished. Questioning Jones's word, even in the company of family or friends, was dangerous. Informers and"counselors" were quick to report indiscretions, even by relatives.<br><br>The use of informers went further than to stifle dissent; it also diminished the solidarity and loyalty that individuals felt toward their families and friends. While Jones preached that a spirit of brotherhood should pervade his church, he made it clear that each members personal dedication should be directed to "Father." Families were split: First, children were seated away from parents during services; then, many were assigned to another member's care as they grew up; and ultimately, parents were forced to sign documentssurrendering custody rights. "Families are part of the enemy system, "Jones stated, because they hurt ones total dedication to the "Cause"(Mills, 1979). Thus, a person called before the membership to be punished could expect his or her family to be among the first andmost forceful critics (Cahill, 1979).<br><br>Besides splitting parent and child, Jones sought to loosen the bonds between wife and husband. He forced spouses into extra-marital sexual relations, which were often of a homosexual or humiliating nature, or with Jones himself. Sexual partnerships and activities not under his direction and control were discouraged and publicly ridiculed.<br><br>Thus, expressing any doubts or criticism of Jones even to a friend, child, or partner -- became risky for the individual. As a consequence, such thoughts were kept to oneself, and with the resulting impression that nobody else shared them. In addition to limiting ones access to information, this "fallacy of uniqueness"precluded the sharing of support. It is interesting that among the few who successfully defected from the Peoples Temple were couples such as Jeanne and Al Mills, who kept together, shared their doubts, and gave each other support.<br><br>Why didn't more people leave? Once inside the Peoples Temple, getting out was discouraged; defectors were hated. Nothing upset Jim Jones so much; people who left became the targets of his most vitriolic attacks and were blamed for any problems that occurred. One member recalled that after several teen-age members left the Temple,"We hated those eight with such a passion because we knew any day they were going to try bombing us. I mean Jim Jones had us totally convinced of this." (Winfrey, 1979)<br><br>Defectors were threatened: Immediately after she left, Grace Stoenheaded for the beach at Lake Tahoe, where she found herself looking over her shoulder, checking to make sure that she hadn't been tracked down (Kilduff and Tracy, 1977). Jeanne Mills reports that she and her family were followed by men in cars, their home was burglarized, and they were threatened with the use of confessions they had signed while still members. When a friend from the Temple paid a visit, she quickly examined Mills ears -- Jim Jones had vowed to have one of them cut off (Mills, 1979). He had made ominous predictions concerning other defectors as well: Indeed, several ex-members suffered puzzling deaths or committed very questionable "suicides" shortly after leaving the Peoples Temple (Reiterman, 1977; Tracy,1978).<br><br>Defecting became quite a risky enterprise, and, for most members, the potential benefits were very uncertain. They had little to hope for outside of the Peoples Temple; what they had, they had committed to the church. Jim Jones had vilified previous defectors as "the enemy" and had instilled the fear that, once outside of the Peoples Temple, members stories would not be believed by the "racist, fascist" society, and they would be subjected to torture, concentration camps, and execution. Finally, in Guyana, Jonestown was surrounded by dense jungle, the few trails patrolled by armed security guards (Cahill, 1979). Escape was not a viable option. Resistance was too costly. With no other alternatives apparent, compliance became the most reasonable course of action.<br><br>The power that Jim Jones wielded kept the membership of the Peoples Temple in line, and the difficulty of defecting helped to keep them in. But what attracted them to join Jones's church in the first place?<br><br>Persuasion<br><br>Nothing is so unbelievable that oratory cannot make it acceptable.<br>--Cicero<br><br>Jim Jones was a charismatic figure, adept at oratory. He sought people for his church who would be receptive to his messages and be vulnerable to promises, and he carefully honed his presentation to appeal to each specific audience.<br><br>The bulk of the Peoples Temple membership was comprised of a society's needy and neglecting: the urban poor the black, the elderly and a sprinkling of ex-addicts and ex-convicts (Winfrey, 1979). To attract new members , Jones held public services in various cities. Leaflets would be distributed:<br><br>Pastor Jim Jones. . . Incredible !. . . Miraculous! . . .Amazing!. . . . The Most Unique Prophetic Healing Service You've Ever Witnessed! Behold the Word Made Incarnate In Your Midst!<br>God Works as tumorous masses are passed in every service... Before your eyes, the crippled walk, the blind see! [Kilduff and Javers,1978.]<br><br>Potential members first confronted an almost idyllic scene of blacks and whites living, working, and worshiping together. Guests were greeted and treated most warmly and were invited to share in the group's meal. As advertised, Jim Jones also gave them miracles. A number of members would recount how Jones had cured them of cancer orother dread diseases; during the service Jones or one of his nurses would reach into the members throat and emerge with a vile mass of tissue -- the "cancer" that had been passed as the person gagged. Sometimes Jim Jones would make predictions that would occur with uncanny frequency. He also received revelations about members or visitors that nobody but those individuals could know what they had eaten for dinner the night before, for instance, or news about a far-off relative. Occasionally, he performed miracles similar to more well-established religious figures:<br><br>There were more people than usual at the Sunday service, and forsome reason the church members hadn't brought enough food to feed everyone. It became apparent that the last fifty people in line weren't going to get any meat. Jim announced, "Even though there isn't enough food to feed this multitude, I am blessing the food that we have and multiplying it just as Jesus did in biblical times."<br><br>Sure enough, a few minutes after he made this startling announcement, Eva Pugh came out of the kitchen beaming, carrying two platters filled with fried chicken. A big cheer came from the people assembled in the room, especially from the people who were at the end of the line.<br><br>The "blessed chicken" was extraordinarily delicious, and several of the people mentioned that Jim had produced the best-tasting chicken they had ever eaten. [Mills, 1979.]<br><br>Those demonstrations were dramatic and impressive; most members were convinced of their authenticity and believed in Jones' "powers." They didn't know that the "cancers" were actually rancid chicken gizzards, that the occurrences Jones "forecast" were staged,or that sending people to sift through a persons garbage could revealpackages of certain foods or letters of out-of-town relatives to serve as grist for Jones "revelations" (Kilduff and Tracy, 1977;Mills, 1979). Members were motivated to believe in Jones; they appreciated the racial harmony, sense of purpose, and relief from feelings of worthlessness that the Peoples Temple provided them (Winfrey, 1979; Lifton, 1979). Even when suspecting that something was wrong, they learned that it was unwise to voice their doubts:<br><br>One of the men, Chuck Beikman... jokingly mentioned to a few people standing near him that he had seen Eva drive up a few momentsearlier with buckets from the Kentucky Fried Chicken stand. He smiled as he said, "The person that blessed this chicken was Colonel Sanders."<br><br>During the evening meeting Jim mentioned the fact that Chuck had made fun of his gift. "He lied to some of the members here, telling them that the chicken had come from a local shop," Jim stormed. "But the Spirit of Justice has prevailed. Because of his lie Chuck is in the men's room right now, wishing that he was dead. He is vomiting and has diarrhea so bad he cant talk!"<br><br>An hour later a pale and shaken Chuck Beikman walked out of the men's room and up to the front, being supported by one of the guards. Jim asked him, "Do you have anything you'd like to say?"<br><br>Chuck looked up weakly and answered, "Jim, I apologize for what I said. Please forgive me."<br><br>As we looked at Chuck, we vowed in our hearts that we would never question any of Jim's "miracles"at least not out loud. Years later, we learned that Jim had put a mild poison in a piece of cake and given it to Chuck. [Mills, 1979.]<br><br>Jim Jones skillfully manipulated the impression that his church would convey to newcomers. He carefully managed its public image. He used the letter-writing and political clout of hundreds of members to praise and impress the politicians and press that supported the Peoples Temple, as well as to criticize and intimidate its opponents (Kasindorf, 1978). Most importantly, Jones severely restricted the information that was available to the members. In addition to indoctrinating members into his own belief system through extensive sermons and lectures, he inculcated a distrust of any contradictory messages, labeling them the product of enemies. By destroying the credibility of their sources, he inoculated the membership against being persuaded by outside criticism. Similarly, any contradictory thoughts that might arise within each member were to be discredited. Instead of seeing them as having any basis in reality, members interpreted them as indications of their own shortcomings or lack of faith. Members learned to attribute the apparent discrepancies between Jones's lofty pronouncements and the rigors of life in thePeoples Temple to their personal inadequacies rather than blaming them on any fault of Jones. As ex-member Neva Sly was quoted: "We always blamed ourselves for things that didn't seem right" (Winfrey,1979). A unique and distorting language developed within the church, in which "The Cause" became anything that Jim Jones said (Mills,1979). It was spoken at Jonestown, where a guard tower was called the "playground." (Cahill, 1979). Ultimately, through the clever use of oratory, deception, and language, Jones could speak of death as "stepping over," thereby camouflaging a hopeless act of self-destruction as a noble and brave act of "revolutionary suicide," and the members accepted his words.<br><br>Self- Justification<br><br>Both salvation and punishment for man lie in the fact that if he lives wrongly he can befog himself so as not to see the misery of his position.<br>---Tolstoy, "The Kreutzer Sonata"<br><br>Analyzing Jonestown in terms of obedience and the power of the situation can help to explain why the people acted as they did. Once the Peoples Temple had moved to Jonestown, there was little the members could do other than follow Jim Jones's dictates. They were comforted by an authority of absolute power. They were left with few options, being surrounded by armed guards and by the jungle, having given their passports and various documents and confessions to Jones, and believing that conditions in the outside world were even more threatening. The members poor diet, heavy workload, lack of sleep, and constant exposure to Jones's diatribes exacerbated the coerciveness of their predicament; tremendous pressures encouraged them to obey.<br><br>By the time of the final ritual, opposition or escape had become almost impossible for most of the members. Yet even then, it is doubtful that many wanted to resist or leave. Most had come to believe in Jones -- one woman's body was found with a message scribbled on her arm during the final hours: "Jim Jones is the only one" (Cahill, 1979). They seemed to have accepted the necessity, and even the beauty, of dying -- just before the ritual began, a guard approached Charles Garry, one of the Temples hired attorneys, and exclaimed, "Its a great moment... we all die" (Lifton, 1979). A survivor of Jonestown, who happened to be away at the dentist, was interviewed a year following the deaths:<br><br>If I had been there, I would have been the first one to stand in that line and take that poison and I would have been proud to take it. The thing I'm sad about is this: that I missed the ending.[Gallagher, 1979.]<br><br>It is the aspect of Jonestown that is perhaps the most troubling. To the end, and even beyond, the vast majority of the Peoples Temple members believed in Jim Jones. External forces, in the form of poweror persuasion, can exact compliance. But one must examine a differentset of processes to account for the members internalizing thosebeliefs.<br><br>Although Jones's statements were often inconsistent and his methods cruel, most members maintained their faith in his leadership.Once they were isolated at Jonestown, there was little opportunity or motivation to think otherwise -- resistance or escape was out of the question. In such a situation, the individual is motivated to rationalize his or her predicament; a person confronted with the inevitable tends to regard it more positively. For example, social psychological research has shown that when children believe that they will be served more of a vegetable they dislike, they will convince themselves that it is not so noxious (Brehm, 1959), and when a person thinks that she will be interacting with someone, she tends to judge a description of that individual more favorably (Darley andBerscheid, 1967).<br><br>A members involvement in the Temple did not begin at Jonestown --it started much earlier, closer to home, and less dramatically. At first, the potential member would attend meetings voluntarily and might put in a few hours each week working for the church. Though the established members would urge the recruit to join, he or she felt free to choose whether to stay or leave. Upon deciding to join, a member expended more effort and became more committed to the Peoples Temple. In small increments, Jones increased the demands made on the member, and only after a long sequence did he escalate the oppressiveness of his rule and the desperation of his message. Little by little, the individuals alternatives became more limited. Step by step, the person was motivated to rationalize his or her commitment and to justify his or her behavior.<br><br>Jeanne Mills, who managed to defect two years before the Temple relocated in Guyana, begins her account, Six Years with God(1979), by writing: "Every time I tell someone about the six years we spent as members of the Peoples Temple, I am faced with an unanswerable question: If the church was so bad, why did you and your family stay in for so long?" Several classic studies from social psychological research investigating processes of self-justification and the theory of cognitive dissonance (see Aronson, 1980, chapter 4; Aronson, 1969) can point to explanations for such seemingly irrational behavior.<br><br>According to dissonance theory, when a person commits an act or holds a cognition that is psychologically inconsistent with his or her self-concept, the inconsistency arouses an unpleasant state of tension. The individual tries to reduce this "dissonance," usually by altering his or her attitudes to bring them more into line with the previously discrepant action or belief. A number of occurrences in the Peoples Temple can be illuminated by viewing them in light of this process. The horrifying events of Jonestown were not due merely to the threat of force, nor did they erupt instantaneously. That is, it was not the case that something "snapped" in peoples minds, suddenly causing them to behave in bizarre ways. Rather, as the theory of cognitive dissonance spells out, people seek to justify their choices and commitments.<br><br>Just as a towering waterfall can begin as a trickle, so too can the impetus for doing extreme or calamitous actions be provided by the consequences of agreeing to do seemingly trivial ones. In the Peoples Temple, the process started with the effects of undergoing a severe initiation to join the church, was reinforced by the tendency to justify ones commitments, and was strengthened by the need to rationalize ones behavior.<br><br>Consider the prospective members initial visit to the Peoples Temple, for example. When a person undergoes a severe initiation in order to gain entrance into a group, he or she is apt to judge that group as being more attractive, in order to justify expending the effort or enduring the pain. Aronson and Mills (1959) demonstrated that students who suffered a greater embarrassment as a prerequisite for being allowed to participate in a discussion group rated its conversation (which actually was quite boring) to be significantly more interesting than did those students who experienced little or no embarrassment in order to be admitted. Not only is there a tendencyto justify undergoing the experience by raising ones estimation of the goal -- in some circumstances. Choosing to experience a hardship can go so far as to affect a persons perception of the discomfort or pain he or she felt. Zimbardo (1969) and his colleagues showed that when subjects volunteered for a procedure that involved their being given electric shocks, those thinking that they had more choice in the matter reported feeling less pain from the shocks. More specifically, those who experienced greater dissonance, having little external justification to account for their choosing to endure the pain, described it as being less intense. This extended beyond their impressions and verbal reports; their performance on a task was hindered less, and they even recorded somewhat lower readings on a physiological instrument measuring galvanic skin responses. Thus the dissonance-reducing process can be double-edged: Under properguidance, a person who voluntarily experiences a severe initiation not only comes to regard its ends more positively, but may also begin to see the means as less aversive: "We begin to appreciate the long meetings, because we were told that spiritual growth comes from self-sacrifice." (Mills, 1979)<br><br>Once involved, a member found ever-increasing portions of his or her time and energy devoted to the Peoples Temple. The services and meetings occupied weekends and several evenings each week. Working on Temple projects and writing the required letters to politicians and the press took much of ones "spare" time. Expected monetary contributions changed from "voluntary" donations (thought they were recorded) to the required contribution of a quarter of ones income. Eventually, a member was supposed to sign over all personal property, savings, social security checks, and the like to the Peoples Temple.Before entering the meeting room for each service, a member stopped at a table and wrote self-incriminating letters or signed blank documents that were turned over to the church. If anyone objected, the refusal was interpreted as denoting a "lack of faith" in Jones. Finally, members were asked to live at Temple facilities to save money and to be able to work more efficiently, and many of their children were raised under the care of other families. Acceding to each new demand had two repercussions: In practical terms, it enmeshed the person further into the Peoples Temple web and made leaving more difficult; on an attitudinal level, it set theaforementioned processes of self-justification into motion. As Mills(1979) describes:<br><br>We had to face painful reality. Our life savings were gone. Jim had demanded that we sell the life insurance policy and turn the equity over to the church, so that was gone. Our property had all been taken from us. Our dream of going to an overseas mission was gone. We thought that we had alienated our parents when we told them we were leaving the country. Even the children whom we had left in the care of Carol and Bill were openly hostile toward us. Jim had accomplished all this in such a short time! All we had left now was Jim and the Cause, so we decided to buckle under and give our energies to these two.<br><br>Ultimately, Jim Jones and the Cause would require the members to give their lives.<br><br>What could cause people to kill their children and themselves? From a detached perspective, the image seems unbelievable. In fact, at first glance, so does the idea of so many individuals committing so much of their time, giving all of their money, and even sacrificing the control of their children to the Peoples Temple. Jones took advantage of rationalization processes that allow people to justify their commitments by raising their estimations of the goaland minimizing its costs. Much as he gradually increased his demands, Jones carefully orchestrated the members exposure to the concept of a "final ritual." He utilized the leverage provided by their previous commitments to push them closer to its enactment. Gaining a "foot in the door" by getting a person to agree to a moderate request makes it more probable that he or she will agree to do a much larger deed later, as social psychologists -- and salespeople -- have found (Freedman and Fraser, 1966). Doing the initial task causes something that might have seemed unreasonable at first appear less extreme in comparison, and it also motivates a person to make his or her behavior appear more consistent by consenting to the larger requests as well.<br><br>After indoctrinating the members with the workings of the Peoples Temple itself, Jones began to focus on broader and more basic attitudes. He started by undermining the members belief that death was to be fought and feared and set the stage by introducing the possibility of a cataclysmic ending for the church. As several accounts corroborate (see Mills, 1979; Lifton, 1979; Cahill, 1979), Jones directed several "fake" suicide drills, first with the elite Planning Commission of the Peoples Temple and later with the general membership. He would give them wine and announce that it had been poisoned and that they would soon die. These became tests of faith, of the members willingness to follow Jones even to death. Jones would ask people if they were ready to die and on occasion would have the membership "decide" its own fate by voting whether to carry out hiswishes. An ex-member recounted that one time, after a while Jones smiled and said, "Well, it was a good lesson. I see you're not dead." He made it sound like we needed the 30 minutes to do very strong, introspective type of thinking. We all felt strongly dedicated, proud of ourselves... [Jones] taught that it was aprivilege to die for what you believe in, which is exactly what I would have been doing. [Winfrey, 1979]<br><br>After the Temple moved to Jonestown, the "White Nights," as the suicide drills were called, occurred repeatedly. An exercise that appears crazy to the observer was a regular, justifiable occurrence for the Peoples Temple participant. The reader might ask whether this caused the members to think that the actual suicides were merely another practice, but there were many indications that they knew that the poison was truly deadly on that final occasion. The Ryan visit had been climatic, there were several new defectors, the cooks -- who had been excused from the prior drills in order to prepare the upcoming meal -- were included, Jones had been growing increasingly angry, desperate, and unpredictable, and, finally, everyone could seethe first babies die. The membership was manipulated, but they were not unaware that this time the ritual was for real.<br><br>A dramatic example of the impact of self-justification concerns the physical punishment that was meted out in the Peoples Temple. As discussed earlier, the threat of being beaten or humiliated forced the member to comply with Jones's orders: A person will obey as long as he or she is being threatened and supervised. To affect a persons attitudes, however, a mild threat has been demonstrated to be more effective than a severe threat (Aronson and Carlsmith, 1963) and its influence has been shown to be far longer lasting (Freedman, 1965). Under a mild threat, the individual has more difficulty attributing his or her behavior to such a minor external restraint, forcing the person to alter his or her attitudes in order to justify the action. Severe threats elicit compliance, but, imposed from the outside, they usually fail to cause the behavior to be internalized. Quite a different dynamic ensues when it is not so clear that the action is being imposed upon the person. When an individual feels that he or she played an active role in carrying out an action that hurts someone, there comes a motivation to justify ones part in the cruelty by rationalizing it as necessary or by derogating the victim by thinking that the punishment was deserved (Davis and Jones,1960).<br><br>Lets step back for a moment. The processes going on at Jonestown obviously were not as simple as those in a well-controlled laboratory experiment; several themes were going on simultaneously. For example, Jim Jones had the power to impose any punishments that he wished in the Peoples Temple, and, especially towards the end, brutality and terror at Jonestown were rampant. But Jones carefully controlled how the punishments were carried out. He often called upon the members themselves to agree to the imposition of beatings. They were instructed to testify against fellow members, bigger members told to beat up smaller ones, wives or lovers forced to sexually humiliate their partners, and parents asked to consent to and assist in the beatings of their children (Mills, 1979; Kilduff and Javers, 1978).The punishments grew more and more sadistic, the beatings so severe as to knock the victim unconscious and cause bruises that lasted for weeks. As Donald Lunde, a psychiatrist who has investigated acts of extreme violence, explains:<br><br>Once you've done something that major, its very hard to admit even to yourself that you've made a mistake, and subconsciously you will go to great lengths to rationalize what you did. Its very tricky defense mechanism exploited to the hilt by the charismatic leader. [Newsweek, 1978a.]<br><br>A more personal account of the impact of this process is provided by Jeanne Mills. At one meeting, she and her husband were forced to consent to the beating of their daughter as punishment for a very minor transgression. She relates the effect this had on her daughter, the victim, as well as on herself, one of the perpetrators:<br><br>As we drove home, everyone in the car was silent. We were all afraid that our words would be considered treasonous. The only sounds came from Linda, sobbing quietly in the back seat. When we got into our house, Al and I sat down to talk with Linda. She was in too much pain to sit. She stood quietly while we talked with her. "How do youfeel about what happened tonight?" Al asked her.<br><br>"Father was right to have me whipped" Linda answered. "I've been so rebellious lately, and I've done a lot of things that were wrong... I'm sure Father knew about those things, and that's why he had me hit so many times.<br><br>As we kissed our daughter good night, our heads were spinning. It was hard to think clearly when things were so confusing. Linda had been the victim, and yet we were the only people angry about it. She should have been hostile and angry. Instead, she said that Jim had actually helped her. We knew Jim had done a cruel thing, and yet everyone acted as if he were doing a loving thing in whipping our disobedient child. Unlike a cruel person hurting a child, Jim had seemed calm, almost loving, as he observed the beating and counted off the whacks. Our minds were not able to comprehend the atrocity of the situation because none of the feedback we were receiving was accurate. [Mills, 1979.]<br><br>The feedback one received from the outside was limited, and the feedback from inside the Temple member was distorted. By justifying the previous actions and commitments, the groundwork for accepting the ultimate commitment was established.<br><br>Conclusion<br><br>Only months after we defected from Temple did we realize the full extent of the cocoon in which we lived. And only then we did understand the fraud , sadism, and emotional blackmail of the master manipulator.<br>-Jeanne Mills, "Six Years with God"<br><br>Immediately following the Jonestown tragedy, there came a proliferation of articles about "cults" and calls for their investigation and control. From Sienna to Transcendental Meditation,groups and practices were examined by the press, which had a difficult time determining what constituted a "cult" ordifferentiating between those might be safe and beneficial and those that could be dangerous. The Peoples Temple and the events at Jonestown make such a definition all the more problematic. A few hours before his murder, Congressman Ryan addressed the membership:"I can tell you right now that by the few conversations I've had with some of the folks... there are some people who believe this is the best thing that ever happened in their whole lives" (Krause, 1978). The acquiescence of so many and the letters they left behind indicate that this feeling was widely shared -- or at least expressed -- by the members.<br><br>Many "untraditional" - to mainstream American culture - groups or practices, such as Eastern religions or meditation techniques, have proven valuable for the people who experience them but may be seen as very strange and frightening to others. How can people determine whether they are being exposed to a potentially useful alternative way of living their lives or if they are being drawn to a dangerous one?<br><br>The distinction is a difficult one. Three questions suggested by the previous analysis, however, can provide important clues: Are alternatives being provided or taken away? Is ones access to new and different information being broadened or denied? Finally, does the individual assume personal responsibility and control or is it usurped by the group or by its leader?<br><br>The Peoples Temple attracted many of its members because it provided them an alternative way of viewing their lives; it gave many people who were downtrodden a sense of purpose, and even transcendence. But it did so at a cost, forcing them to disown their former friendships and beliefs and teaching them to fear anything outside of the Temple as "the enemy." Following Jones became the only alternative.<br><br>Indeed, most of the members grew increasingly unaware of thepossibility of any other course. Within the Peoples Temple, and especially at Jonestown, Jim Jones controlled the information to which members would be exposed. He effectively stifled any dissent that might arise within the church and instilled a distrust in each member for contradictory messages from outside. After all, what credibility could be carried by information supplied by "the enemy "that was out to destroy the Peoples Temple with "lies?"<br><br>Seeing no alternatives and having no information, a members capacity for dissent or resistance was minimized. Moreover, for most members, part of the Temples attraction resulted from their willingness to relinquish much of the responsibility and control over their lives. These were primarily the poor, the minorities, the elderly, and the unsuccessful -- they were happy to exchange personal autonomy (with its implicit assumption of personal responsibility for their plights) for security, brotherhood, the illusion of miracles, and the promise of salvation. Stanley Cath, a psychiatrist who has studied the conversion techniques used by cults, generalizes: "Converts have to believe only what they are told. They don't have to think, and this relieves tremendous tensions" (Newsweek,1978a). Even Jeanne Mills, one of the better-educated Temple members, commented:<br><br>I was amazed at how little disagreement there was between themembers of this church. Before we joined the church, Al and I couldn't even agree on whom to vote for in a presidential election.Now that we all belonged to a group, family arguments were becoming a thing of the past. There was never a question of who was right, because Jim was always right. When our large household met to discuss family problems, we didn't ask for opinions. Instead, we put the question to the children, "What would Jim do?" It took the difficulty out of life. There was a type of "manifest destiny" which said the Cause was right and would succeed. Jim was right and those who agreed with him were right. If you disagreed with Jim, you were wrong. It was as simple as that. [Mills, 1979.]<br><br>Though it is unlikely that he had any formal exposure to the social psychological literature, Jim Jones utilized several very powerful and effective techniques for controlling peoples behavior and altering their attitudes. Some analyses have compared his tactics to those involved in "brainwashing," for both include the control of communication, the manipulation of guilt, and dispensing power over peoples existence (Lifton, 1979), as well as isolation, an exacting regimen, physical pressure, and the use of confessions (Cahill,1979). But using the term brainwashing makes the process sound too esoteric and unusual. There were some unique and scary elements in Jones's personality -- paranoia, delusions of grandeur, sadism, and a preoccupation with suicide. Whatever his personal motivation, however, having formulated his plans and fantasies, he took advantageof well-established social psychological tactics to carry them out.The decision to have a community destroy itself was crazy, but those who performed the deed were "normal" people who were subjected to a tremendously impactful situation, the victims of powerful internal forces as well as external pressures.<br><br>Postscript<br><br>Within a few weeks of the deaths at Jonestown, the bodies had been transported back to the United States, the remnants of the Peoples Temple membership were said to have disbanded, and the spate of stories and books about the suicide/murders had begun to lose the public's attention. Three months afterwards, Michael Prokes, who had escaped from Jonestown because he was assigned to carry away a box of Peoples Temple funds, called a press conference in a California motel room. After claiming that Jones had been misunderstood and demanding the release of a tape recording of the final minutes [quoted earlier], he stepped into the bathroom and shot himself in the head. He left behind a note, saying that if his death inspired another book about Jonestown, it was worthwhile (Newsweek,1979).<br><br>Postscript<br><br>Jeanne and Al Mills were among the most vocal of the PeoplesTemples critics following their defection, and they topped an alleged "death list" of its enemies. Even after Jonestown, the Mills's had repeatedly expressed fear for their lives. Well over a year after the Peoples Temple deaths, they and their daughter were murdered in their Berkeley home. Their teen-aged son, himself an ex-Peoples Temple member, has testified that he was in another part of the large house at the time. At this writing, no suspect has been charged. There areindications that the Mills's knew their killer -- there were no signs of forced entry, and they were shot at close range. Jeanne Mills had been quoted as saying, "Its going to happen. If not today, then tomorrow." On the final tape of Jonestown, Jim Jones had blamed Jeanne Mills by name, and had promised that his followers in SanFrancisco "will not take our death in vain" (Newsweek,1980). <p></p><i></i>
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Re: 'Jonestown' documentary opens. Soon PBS. No...CIA.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue Nov 07, 2006 5:26 am

Here is a DISINFO article by a Peoples Temple "survivor" and author named Laurie Kahalas who was back in San Francisco when the massacre went down. She claims that Jonestown was absolutely not a CIA MK-ULTRA-style mind control experiment although she admits to CIA involvement otherwise.<br><br>She also badjackets the most critical ex-members as "John Birchers." <br><br>This person attempts to claim that Jonestown was so wonderful that the CIA tried to discredit it. Nonsense. Here's the continuing cover-up in her 1998 book - <br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/_borders/1552122077.01.LZZZZZZZ.gif" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/Jonestown%20Dismantling%20the%20Disinformation.htm<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>My name is Laurie Efrein Kahalas, and I was with the Peoples Temple for eight-and-a-half years. I was living in the Temple building in San Francisco when tragedy struck, along with a tiny crew left back in the States for organisational work. While others were wildly shredding documents, I quietly saved them, squireling away documents and files for a later, brighter day. There was nothing there that could incriminate us (for indeed, we were not criminals at all, we were humanitarians); and I realised I held in my hands the keys to some day exculpate my friends. As if such a thing could be possible! But I vowed to try.<br><br>I am here to humanise the events at Jonestown, or as the Preface of Snake Dance: Unravelling the Mysteries of Jonestown, says: "To be fully human in the face of infamy." The world spent so much time demonising Jim Jones, there was none left to humanise the people of Jonestown, or to comprehend the terror of their plight.<br><br>What was the real story? Were the elements human, political, circumstantial? Preventable, not preventable? Were there demons, villains, heroes?<br><br>In fairness to researchers, it has been next to impossible to research, in that Jonestown was one of the worst cases of yellow journalism in the entire history of the American media. It all began with the power of the press.<br><br>All "research" goes back to the "original sources," an unseemly amalgam of three components: 1) Ex-member plants in the group; 2) their non-member government-based handlers; and 3) the tiniest handful of aggrieved ex-members who were used as pawns. Of the ex-member group who did not have the earmarks of being government plants, most lost relatives in the tragedy.<br><br>The horrendous mass death at Jonestown burst onto the world press in November, 1978, complete with gory details and fingers of blame. Although it was breaking news, all the background, the analyses, the witnesses, the media heroes, were ready-made for the press; nor was there any other candidate for blame but Jim Jones. The people at Jonestown were "brainwashed"; their defenders "apologists"; the only "credible sources" were the people who had "exposed" Peoples Temple a year and more prior to the tragedy.<br><br>We say we know the crushing power of the press, but no one knows that in full measure until you experience a Jonestown. So intense and widespread was the deluge, that it never even occurred to those within the press to question whether it may have been the very same people so intent upon destroying the church’s reputation, who had moved to destroy Jonestown physically.<br>......<br>Jonestown NOT a CIA Experiment<br><br>I want to dismantle the most rampant disinformation first: the absolute lie that "Jim Jones was CIA." Jim Jones would have rather had his eyes gouged out. It was both the measure of, and admittedly, the danger of his character, that rather than do that, he would die. He was the most mission-driven individual I have ever met in my entire life.<br><br>Jonestown was NOT a mind control experiment in the mould of "MK Ultra." I personally do not doubt that the CIA might have been glad to use Jonestown as such had they the chance. I am not attempting, understand, to exonerate the CIA! Indeed, I see their footprints all over this disaster. But the mind control experiment story is disinformation 100%.<br><br>Jonestown was a beautiful, productive, thriving interracial community, acclaimed as a "paradise," which was the happiest and most fulfilling life that most of its largely-inner city residents had ever known. It was a shining model of how inner city dwellers can thrive and excel on a worldwide stage. It was described by visitors as "a paradise," "a superior society," "like coming to another planet," and " a credit to humanity."<br><br>The media who were so eager to smear Jonestown had not even visited! When Congressman Ryan finally did visit, his commentary to the assemblage was that "I hear many of you saying that this is the best thing that has ever happened to you. What is being done here is of great significance, even on a worldwide basis." Obviously, their was no motive for Jonestown residents to assassinate someone who intended to bring back a good report.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Congressman Ryan was dogging the CIA...hard.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue Nov 07, 2006 5:36 am

Congressman Leo Ryan flew down to Jonestown to see what was happening there. Ryan had been ferreting out CIA mind control ops and dropping in unannounced at Langley to see what they were up to. <br><br>Ryan even leaked in 1975 that the CIA was in Angola. Huge scandal.<br><br>Ryan leaked the MK-Ultra experiments at Vacaville prison to Jack Anderson.<br><br>What a hero.<br><br>"At the time of his death, Leo Ryan’s spotlight was trained on one of the darkest corners of the American intelligence establishment—psychiatric “mind-control” experiments, possibly combined with illegal domestic operations. His probe included tests performed at a Vacaville, California, state hospital (above), reportedly involving Donald (known as “Cinque”, top) DeFreeze, a central figure in the 1974 kidnapping of Patricia Hearst. A month before Ryan’s murder, Jack Anderson (right) published a column entitled “CIA May Have Inspired Cinque,” exposing the secret experiments, with Ryan or his committee the most likely source of the information."<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.freedommag.org/english/vol29I4/img/pg09_2b.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.freedommag.org/english/vol29I4/img/pg11_1.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Dr. C. Leslie Mootoo, then Guyana’s chief medical examiner and the first physician on the scene after Congressman Ryan’s death, worked nonstop for 32 hours, examining 187 bodies murdered by injection before he and his team gave up due to the stifling heat. Many others had been shot, Ryan himself reportedly 12 times...<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br>http://www.freedommag.org/english/vol29I4/page05.htm<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Whether they liked him or not, most who knew Leo Ryan agreed he had flamboyance, tenacity, nerve and a knack for drawing attention to social abuses. A man who marched to the beat of his own drum, he galled bureaucrats, some of whom, according to a former aide, viewed the Democratic congressman from Northern California as the worst-case-scenario bull in their china shop.<br><br> After the riots in Watts in 1965, Ryan, then a California state legislator, traveled to that community under a false identity and became a substitute teacher to investigate conditions in the black community. Five years later, he again went undercover and had himself strip-searched and locked up in Folsom State Prison to discover what life in such a facility was really like. In 1978, he made plans to spend that Christmas season incognito once again, this time as a Postal Service employee to investigate complaints of bad working conditions.<br><br> As a congressman, his brassiness caused him to routinely do things which to others were unthinkable, such as “dropping in” at CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia, to interrogate the spymasters about what they hadn’t been telling Congress.<br><br> “He was,” according to a source formerly close to Ryan, and who once accompanied him on a trip to Langley, “a pain in their ass.” <br><br> As a member of the House of Representatives’ International Relations Committee and its foremost CIA critic, he was the House sponsor of the Hughes-Ryan Amendment, a 1974 law that required the CIA to notify eight separate committees of Congress—totaling some 200 legislators and staff—prior to conducting undercover operations.<br><br> Hughes-Ryan also banned CIA covert paramilitary operations which were not expressly approved by the president and Congress. The agency hated this, a former Ryan associate told Freedom. But the Hughes-Ryan Amendment, which seriously restricted CIA covert operations internationally, was only one index of Leo Ryan’s impact.<br><br> In 1975, Ryan leaked word of the CIA’s involvement in the Angolan civil war to CBS newsman Daniel Schorr, creating a wave of major embarrassment for the agency which reverberated for years.<br><br> <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>In 1977 and 1978, Ryan pressured the agency to reveal the extent of its involvement in psychiatric “mind-control” experiments. Among the tests he pushed to expose were those performed in the early 1970s on inmates at a state hospital in Vacaville, California, which may have included among their subjects Donald DeFreeze, known as “Cinque,” a central figure in the 1974 kidnapping of Patricia Hearst. </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>By poking into intelligence agency-sponsored psychiatric experiments with DeFreeze and closely related subjects, Ryan stirred up a mixture that threatened to explode with major criminal and civil liability.<br><br> On September 25, 1978, less than two months before the Jonestown tragedy, Ryan submitted a petition to then President Jimmy Carter, seeking to have Patricia Hearst’s seven-year prison term commuted to the 18 months she had already served.<br><br> In October 1978, a month before Jonestown, investigative reporter Jack Anderson published a syndicated column entitled “CIA May Have Inspired Cinque,” based on information that most likely had been leaked by Ryan or someone in his committee. The column detailed statements from one Clifford Jefferson, who claimed to have known DeFreeze while they were incarcerated together and to have participated in psychiatric experiments with various drugs, including mescaline, Quaalude and Artane.<br><br> According to Jefferson, “DeFreeze stated that he had gone through the same tests and also knew of stress tests that were given to prisoners in which they were kept in solitary, harassed and annoyed until they would do anything asked of them to get out; then they were given these drugs and would become like robots.<br><br> “He [DeFreeze] said that when he got out, he would get a revolutionary group to kidnap some rich person. They would hold that person tied up in a dark place, keep him frightened and in fear of his life, then give him mescaline and other drugs, and the person would become a robot and do anything he was asked to do—including killing others.<br><br> “He thought a good one to kidnap would be one of the Kennedys. Then the revolutionary group would get great publicity and could get the person to get them money.”<br><br> Although DeFreeze died in a 1974 shootout with Los Angeles police, CIA documents have since confirmed the agency did perform drug tests on inmates at Vacaville under its MK-Ultra program. These tests aimed at studying what effects drugs and stress had on prisoners to determine at what point individuals would “break” and become willing to follow orders blindly.<br><br> As described by Dr. Lawrence T. Clanon, Vacaville superintendent, the CIA appeared interested in “whether drugs could be used in questioning people or gaining their cooperation, or combating that effect.”<br><br> Leo Ryan’s spotlight had been trained upon one of the darkest and ugliest corners of the American intelligence establishment, one for which the level of culpability could scarcely be measured—psychiatric “mind-control” experiments, possibly combined with an illegal domestic operation—and one which elevated his status from gadfly to mortal enemy.<br><br> “I told him to leave them alone,” a former Ryan associate told Freedom. The congressman was accustomed to busting down doors, he said, a dangerous practice when dealing with an agency experienced in the art of assassination. Ryan, however, pressed ahead. <br><br>In March 1997, the Federal Bureau of Investigation announced that it would release for the first time nearly 39,000 additional pages of documents concerning Jonestown, the Peoples Temple and related matters under the Freedom of Information Act. As these documents become available and are examined, new revelations concerning the mass deaths at Jonestown in 1978 and the killing of Congressman Ryan continue to mount. The documents include 8,603 pages from the FBI’s investigative file and an additional 30,229 pages. The bureau made the papers available based on a 1993 FOIA request filed by Freedom.<br><br>        <br> Contrary to what is popularly reported in the media, the FBI files document the Peoples Temple as a mainstream religious congregation, with statements on behalf of the group by a range of political figures including Senators Walter Mondale, Hubert Humphrey, Henry Jackson, Sam Ervin Jr., Warren Magnuson and Mike Gravel, Congressmen Philip Burton, Ron Dellums and Don Edwards, Congresswomen Bella Abzug and Patsy Mink.<br><br> The papers demonstrate wide support for the organization. Actress and activist Jane Fonda wrote: “I also recommit myself to your congregation as an active full participant—not only for myself, but because I want my two children to have the experience.”<br><br> They also show its leader, Jim Jones, as a respected minister of the Disciples of Christ, the Protestant church of former President Lyndon Johnson and millions of other Americans.<br><br> And they show that while the church underwent a long period of harassment, surveillance and infiltration at the hands of government intelligence agents, these intensified once the group, founded in Indiana, relocated to San Francisco, and particularly after its headquarters moved to Guyana.<br><br> Indeed, in 1977 and 1978 came anonymous threats against the Peoples Temple, accompanied by random acts of violence against group members. It was in late 1977 that heavy pressure began on Ryan to visit Jonestown—pressure which built to a crescendo shortly before he agreed to go. Those pushing him to take action against “cults” included psychologist Margaret Singer, while others, among them Tim Stoen, a former member and top aide to Jim Jones with alleged ties to the CIA, pressured Ryan to visit Jonestown. (See “The Real Cult,”.) <br><br>“Infiltrated with Agents”<br><br>The nearly 39,000 pages of documents released by the FBI to Freedom under the Freedom of Information Act document the Peoples Temple as a mainstream congregation and show it enjoyed wide support, as from Jane Fonda, who wrote: “I also recommit myself to your congregation as an active full participant—not only for myself, but because I want my two children to have the experience.”<br> <br><br> More than 20 months after Leo Ryan was killed, his five adult children—two sons and three daughters—filed a lawsuit based on extensive investigation into what had precipitated their father’s death.<br><br> Filed in the United States District Court for the Northern District of California on July 31, 1980, the suit asked for general damages of $3 million, plus costs for Congressman Ryan’s funeral and bringing the action.<br><br> The lawsuit charged that “the Jonestown Colony was infiltrated with agent(s) of the Central Intelligence Agency of the United States.<br><br> “[That] the name of one said agent was Phillip Blakey, a trusted aide of Peoples Temple leader James Warren Jones.<br><br> “[T]hat said agents were working with the Department of State and the Central Intelligence Agency to use the Jonestown Colony as part of the Central Intelligence Agency’s MK Ultra program.<br><br> “[T]hat massive quantities of mind-control drugs were found at the Jonestown colony after the fatal incident of November 18, 1978.”<br><br> Phillip Blakey had traveled to Guyana to select the site for Jonestown and to begin clearing land. He was one of the few survivors of the mass killing.<br><br> The lawsuit furthermore charged that Richard Dwyer doubled as an agent of the Central Intelligence Agency and that Dwyer “arranged for the transportation of decedent [Ryan] and his party once in Guyana; briefed decedent and his party on the events and conditions at Jonestown upon their arrival; and escorted decedent and his party to Jonestown in November 1978.”<br><br> It alleged that Dwyer “as an agent and employee of the Central Intelligence Agency ... negligently, maliciously and intentionally withheld crucial information about the Jonestown Colony which would have prevented harm to decedent.”<br><br> It further charged that Dwyer “knowingly, intentionally and maliciously led [Ryan] into a trap at the Port Kaituma Air Strip, which cost decedent his life.”<br><br> The Ryans’ lawsuit was dismissed for reasons that have to date never been fully disclosed. A source close to the family who aided them in their quest for justice told Freedom of threats received which he attributed to the CIA. Every time he made a move, he said, a warning would arrive on his doorstep by a circuitous route. “A letter would show up,” for example, he said, stating, “’We’re watching you.’” <br><br> Although many others lost their lives on November 18, 1978, according to Dr. C. Leslie Mootoo, then chief medical examiner of Guyana, the overwhelming majority of the deaths at Jonestown were murders, not suicides.<br><br> Dr. Mootoo, the government’s top pathologist and the first physician on the scene, told Freedom that many had died from injections of cyanide. After 32 hours of nonstop work in stifling heat, amid decaying flesh, in Mootoo’s words, “We gave up.” By that time, 187 bodies killed by injections had been examined by Mootoo and his team. Victims had been injected in portions of their bodies they could not have reached themselves, such as between the shoulder blades or in the back of an upper arm. “Those who were injecting them knew what they were doing,” Mootoo said.<br><br> Many others had been shot. Charles Huff, a former member of the U.S. Army Special Forces in Panama, was one of the seven Green Berets who were the first American troops on the scene following the massacre. He told Freedom, “We saw many bullet wounds as well as wounds from crossbow bolts.”<br><br> Huff noted that those with fatal bullet or bolt wounds appeared to have been running toward the jungle that surrounded Jonestown. Corroborating the information from Dr. Mootoo, Huff said that the adults who had not been shot had been killed by injections between the shoulder blades. The killers escaped before the arrival of Huff and his team.<br><br>U.S. Air Force Colonel L. Fletcher Prouty, who worked closely in key positions with the CIA and the Joint Chiefs of Staff for many years, told Freedom that Leo Ryan had moved in too close to certain skeletons that could never be safely disturbed. A relentless and uncompromising investigator, nothing could stop Ryan—short of violence. But how could such a high-profile personality be eliminated without bringing down upon the perpetrators an investigation to end all investigations?<br><br> A very real possibility is that by making the assassination part of an even larger catastrophe, the central drama itself—that of a courageous individual blocked from probing reports of illegal, unconstitutional, government-sponsored psychiatric “mind-control” activities—was obscured.<br><br> Colonel Prouty noted evidence of the involvement of a larger force in the operation: “The Joint Chiefs of Staff had prepared air shipments of hundreds of body bags. They didn’t normally keep that many in any one place. Within hours, they began to shuttle them down to Georgetown, the main city. They couldn’t possibly have done that without prior knowledge that it was going to happen. It shows that there was prior planning.”<br><br> Prouty said, “We would provide the agency with the things they were requesting, without any questions. That’s the way the business works.”<br><br> At Jonestown, he said, the JCS provided the body bags, the airlift and all the rest on a timetable that shows advance knowledge. “The JCS wouldn’t have moved at all on their own,” he said. “They didn’t give a damn about Jonestown.” These and other unusual events, he noted, “are the kinds of earmarks that define the hand of American intelligence.”<br><br> Nearly two decades after the death of Congressman Leo Ryan, America is still owed a definitive explanation for the many unresolved questions surrounding the tragedy. To begin, all documents and records from all relevant agencies should be released in full. Only then might the full truth be known.<br>-End <br><br><br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hughmanateewins>Hugh Manatee Wins</A> at: 11/7/06 2:46 am<br></i>
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Re: Congressman Ryan was dogging the CIA...hard.

Postby robotilt » Tue Nov 07, 2006 2:38 pm

thanks, Hugh. Excellent material. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Congressman Ryan was dogging the CIA...hard.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue Nov 07, 2006 3:56 pm

To bring it all full circle, my post above with info on Congressman Ryan's vigilance against CIA mind control is from FreedomMag.com <br>which is a...wait for it...Scientology website. Yup.<br><br>Talk about mind control, ay? <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>But the info is valid.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> Why?<br>Because that website is part of Scientology's efforts to take over anti-cult websites because Scientology is a cult itself which seems to now be used by the CIA.<br><br>The Cult Awareness Network was sued, bankrupted, and taken over to actually be run by Scientology in the 1990s so the fox could guard the henhouse and further muddle awareness on what a cult is or isn't.<br><br>So they are using exposing Jonestown as a way to establish credibility. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The mind control scam continues by composting old projects into new ones.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Postby yablonsky » Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:09 am

ok..this film was powerful and had the audience on the edge of their seats line to line. in terms of the half dozen or so major interviewees, the viewer learns at the end that these were uniformly fo;ks who lost multiple loved ones and family nov. 18 1978 before escaping into the jungle. what a charismatic clique. multy cultural, very much the element of a '60's love bus road show about them. great movie. i leave it to the experts here to disect.
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Postby yablonsky » Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:32 am

hey hugh:

curiosity. i just re-read 'Sometimes A Great Notion' - Ken Kesey...MK Ultra volanteer guneia pig in the late '60's at Stanford.

any thoughts on the confluence of incredible N.A. fiction intersecting with submission to darkiside expermentation? :)
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