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Postby robert d reed » Fri Dec 08, 2006 5:45 pm

HMW, on The French Connection- you're sort of right on this one, but your main intended point is wrong.

The French Connection movie is yet another film whose release was pre-dated by the publication of a best-selling book, of which you've indicated no awareness (as with such earlier "examples" of "keyword-jacked movies" such as Dr. Strangelove, and Three Days Of The Condor- do you ever bother to fact-check your assumptions?)

The French Connection is in fact a piece of Nixon-era Drug War agitprop that- while providing some amount of accurate detail and narrative- neatly bypassed the sort of thorny complexities and political implications discussed by Al McCoy in The Politcs Of Heroin, the Newsday staff investigative white paper The Heroin Trail, and Henrik Kruger's Great Heroin Coup. And the author, Robin Moore, is- in my opinion- almost certainly old-line CIA Covert Ops.

But that doesn't lead inevitably to the conclusion that The French Connection movie was put into production as part of an Operation Mockingbird plot, to bury Al McCoy's work.

I get tired of the "errors of presentism" that I so persistently observe cropping up in the attempts of would-be amateur historians, 30-40 years after the fact. Some of us were alive and old enough to have a sense of the Zeitgeist of the late 60s and early 70s.

Ironically, one of Moore's previous books, The Green Berets, alluded openly to such things as CIA links to the US Army Speciial Forces "Green Berets"- and to their resort to the opium trade. In fact, there's an entire chapter, entitled "Home To Nanette", that refers to the collaboration in Laos with the Hmong tribe ( alternative spelling "Meo", in Moore's book) in purchasing opium to finance the secret war against the Viet Minh (aka "Vietcong"- a label invented by the Americans.)

Granted, Moore referred to the trade in opium quite disceetly, as "poppy." This no doubt served the purpose of enabling most of the readers in Middle America who made it a best-selling roman a clef non-fiction~fiction book (well over 1 million copies sold) to refrain from the mental strain of figuring out exectly what Moore was talking about..they could just think to themselves "oh, they're selling poppy seeds", and move on to the battle scenes, and the hot-blooded romance between the married-but-so-far-from-homeGreen Beret TDY with the CIA, and his 1/2 French, 1/2 Hmong teenage mistress, Nanette...but the implication was there, for anyone who bothered to think about it- provided that they knew that the common poppy, Papaver somniferum, is the source of opium, not a very well-known fact at the time the book was released...

Moore's book was published in 1965.

Oh, how I could go on about the material in that book- and the movie made from it, which could in fact have been scripted somewhere in the Pentagon. If you've ever seen it, you know...

But really- isn't that to be expected?

And if the biggest "antiwar" war movies of the 1960s-early 1970s Vietnam-war era weren't made about Vietnam, but instead were set in previous American armed conflicts- MASH, about Korea, and Catch-22, about WW2- isn't that to be expected, as well? Successfully challenging or questioning the political and social status quo is a risky task that needs to be done obliquely...by definition, dissidents don't have the resources of the strong, to directly reinforce the message of the status quo, at their disposal.
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Robin Moore - CIA author, movie source.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Sat Dec 09, 2006 11:52 am

robert d reed wrote:The French Connection movie is yet another film whose release was pre-dated by the publication of a best-selling book, of which you've indicated no awareness (as with such earlier "examples" of "keyword-jacked movies" such as Dr. Strangelove, and Three Days Of The Condor- do you ever bother to fact-check your assumptions?)


The author, Robin Moore, is ONE OF THEM, CIA, and does spooky novels much beloved by both Soldier of Fortune and Washington Post Book World.
His Vietnam War-military pulp novel, 'The Green Berets,' was not only a book but a cross-marketed hit song on the radio from a matching record, 'The Ballad of the Green Berets.'

The Green Berets were a new uniformed paramilitary division of CIA formed during the JFK years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballad_of_the_Green_Berets

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Remember John Wayne's 1968 movie of the same name?
Chew on this bit about Wayne's fronting an anti-commie Hollywood group before Moore's work is examined below-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wayne

Wayne was known for his conservative ideals. He took part in creating the Motion Picture Alliance for the Preservation of American Ideals, and was the president of that organization at one time. He was an ardent anti-communist, and was a vocal supporter of HUAC and the blacklisting of actors and actresses that were accused of being sympathetic to communist ideals.


The CIA entertainment division really pulled out all the stops to market their war in Indochina. This is no doubt why Tom Hanks was recently the first actor inducted into the Army Rangers Hall of Fame.


I haven't even touched on spook books which are more numerous than spook films but get a much smaller audience. Remember, the book ain't the movie in content or effect on the masses who go see movies all the time but barely even read the crawler at the bottom of their TV screen.

A CIA author or CIA-supported author named Robin Moore writes propaganda. Notably-
> The Green Berets (I have the paperback and Barry Sandler's album with the exact same cover in my propaganda collection.)
> The French Connection
> The Hunt for bin Laden

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbninquiry.asp?ean=9780375508615&z=y

The Hunt for Bin Laden
by Robin Moore

Pub. Date: March 2003

From Our Editors
In December 2001, Green Berets novelist Robin Moore traveled to Afghanistan, where he witnessed some of the heaviest fighting between U.S. Special Forces and Al Qaeda/Taliban troops. This book is his report from the front lines of the war on terrorism.
From the Publisher
The Hunt for Bin LadenRobin MooreIn this acclaimed, groundbreaking bestseller about America’s war against al-Qaida in Afghanistan, Robin Moore–with exclusive access and his trademark expertise–takes you on a top-secret tour of the most covert conflict since the CIA’s war in Laos. This is a blistering, behind-the-scenes account of America’s first strike in its war against terrorism. From the international outrage of 9/11 to its immediate aftermath–the unprecedented Special Ops assault on Osama Bin Laden’s bases–all aspects of this astonishing story are revealed for the first time. Here is how a few hundred Green Berets toppled the Taliban and how Bin Laden may have made his escape.

In January 1964, Robin Moore went to Vietnam. He had attended Jump School at Fort Benning–with the special approval of President John F. Kennedy–and was the first and only civilian ever allowed to go through the grueling Special Forces qualification course at Fort Bragg. The result was The Green Berets, a bestselling book about a unique and remarkable group of fighting men. Robin Moore went on to write three more books about the war in Vietnam. He has also written several novels, including The French Connection; a book about terrorists in South Africa; and an exposé of the smuggling of nuclear arms from Russia after the Communist era.“Fast-paced and immensely entertaining.”
–The Washington Post Book World

“BLACK HAWK DOWN–IN THE SNOW . . . Little is held back in the sweeping reality of the text. It is all there: the pain, the suffering, the fear, thecourage, the sardonic morgue humor of war, the strength somehow found in its jaws–
and the honor in fighting the good fight.”
–MASTER SERGEANT THOMAS R. BUMBACK (Ret.)
Soldier of Fortune magazine


“A DRAMATIC AND IMPORTANT STORY.”
–New York Daily News

“GRIPPING . . . AN EXPLOSIVE TALE . . .
Moore is a good action writer.”
–The Commercial Appeal (Memphis)

“Authoritative . . . Moore guides you through volatile Afghanistan as seen through the eyes of Special Forces operators–team by team–battle by battle. IF YOUR BLOOD IS NOT STIRRED, CHANCES ARE YOU’RE RUNNING ON EMPTY.”
–MAJOR JIM MORRIS (Ret.)
Soldier of Fortune magazine

“[This book] transports you inside the beating heart of America’s war on terror, then spirals you down a main artery onto the front lines with a special Forces detachment cutting down al Qaeda terrorists. . . . By the time I finished reading The Hunt for Bin Laden, I was in awe of this force America had unleashed against our enemies. . . . The Hunt for Bin Laden has the epic style and reality of We Were Soldiers Once . . . and Young.”
–MASTER SERGEANT THOMAS R. BUMBACK (Ret.)
Soldier of Fortune magazine

“Swashbuckling . . . [Moore reaches] a kind of ground truth in his narrative of Special Forces at war: the dangerous, sometimes thrilling but unpredictable nature of combat that makes soldiers laugh bitterly at the phrase ‘military precision.’ ”
–The Washington Post Book World

“Robin Moore is back in his element. . . . The Hunt for Bin Laden offers valuable insights into the war.”
–San Diego Union-Tribune

From The Critics
The Washington Post
Like Moore's other books, The Hunt for Bin Laden is fast-paced and immensely entertaining, in a kind of "Spiderman," cartoon-strippy way. Page after page, Moore's prose reads like a defiant country-and-western anthem. "These great Army soldiers come from one singular, beautiful place," a general enthuses, "red, white and blue America."
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Propaganda jokes about propaganda.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Sun Dec 10, 2006 4:55 pm

I wrote once about how three generations of spook-generated entertainment has become self-referential, a kind of feedback loop like the right-wing news echo chamber.

Here's more on the use of entertainment like 'Borat' to not just distract but even discredit subsequent events in the mind of the pre-conditioned audience.

Coincidentally, the show 'Dallas' and JFK are mentioned in the script of the pilot episode of that bizarre Fox TV series which foreshadowed 9/11 as software-jacked jets flown into the WTC. Characters in this show have CIA names like 'Langly' and 'Helm.' Very cute.

Mirrors within mirrors within mirrors -

http://www.insidethex.co.uk/transcrp/tlg179.htm

LANGLY: I need some help circumventing DoD's online security codes.

KIMMY: DOD? What for?

(LANGLY says nothing.)

KIMMY: Go put your daisy into somebody else's rifle, hippie. I gotta put some serious lead downrange.

LANGLY: I'm talking about government sanctioned murder, here.

KIMMY: What is this? Another one of your whacko conspiracy theories? Like "who shot JR?"

LANGLY: J-F-K.

KIMMY: Whatever. My point being, you're wasting your life, man. A hacker of your calibre ought to be floating in a Silicon Valley hot tub, sipping champers and counting his IPO casho.


Later in the TV show the name Lee Harvey Oswald gets an odd rinse-set-and-dry for viewers -

YVES: I guess you don't know me.

FROHIKE: Well, maybe I do (pause) Lee Harvey Oswald.

(Yves looks at him.)

FROHIKE: Your name, Yves Adele Harlow is an anagram of Lee Harvey Oswald. Some joke. I know who you really are, sugar. And I can tell the world in my (makes quote signs) silly little rag.

(Fade to black.)


The "silly little rag" referred to is a conspiracy newsletter which gives the 'X Files' TV series spin-off its name, 'The Lone Gunman.'

A good explanation of the psychological effect of innoculation against belief using fiction or flawed delivery is given by RI's own Seventhson and posted on Jim Hoffman's excellent 9/11 website. Hoffman is one of the few to examine the use of disinfo to muddle 9/11 investigation. From Hoffman's page about plane remote control and this March, 2001TV show -

http://www.oilempire.us/remote.html

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2006/05/in-air.html

Seventhson said...
Regarding the lone gunmen episode in which shadow government types remotely fly a passenger jet inot the world trade center (but are thwarted at the last moment by the lone gunmen *from the X Files).
This was a pilot for their show which ran for one breif season and it floored me to discover it aired in early 2001 almost six months before the 9-11 attacks.
Since I am one who believes in the remote controlled theory of the attacks, this also spurred my interest in WHY this show might have been aired to further the BFEE agenda.
The fact is that the shows creator has shadow government types who consult with him for his shows. This idea could have been planted and not some kind of 100th monkey idea from outside his brain.
I think it was probably due to a propaganda methodology known as "innoculation". IE the fascists plant ideas or do foreshadowing in a way which "prepares" the minds of the consuming public for the ridicule of conspiracy theorists who will say that the BFEE made 9-11 happen. That it was an inside job.
The Lone Gunman series, like the X Files, was full of ideas promoted to disparage the characters' beliefs. Mulder was always spouting off about conspiracies, the cigaret smoking man was in on the JFK assassination, and the lone gunmen themselves are ridiculed by parody in part by their name realted to the JFK assassination.
The "source" of an idea like WTC 9-11 MIHOP by the BFEE (being the mostly silly tv show) airing months before 9-11 innoculates the public to the idea that it was an inside job. "How silly. How unpatriotic. How COULD you think that". Witness the Paul Begala attack on Cynthia McKinney when she said that possibly "Bush Knew" the WTC would be attacked.
The best example of "innoculation" (a specialty of Karl Rove) in my opinion was the James Hatfield book "Fortunate Son" where Rove and other Bush insiders "leaked" the Bush cocaine arrest and comunity service story (including easily provable inaccurate details) to Hatfield knowing that he was a convicted felon. His story become noncredible to the general public because he had lied about or hidden his past. Nevermind that his facts were mostly accurate - the Bush cocaine arrest became a nonissue and the later suicided (IMO) Hatfield's credibility became the issue.
Same thing happened in the Dan Rather fiasco re: the national Guard service memo. The source (but not the story) was unreliable because of the damned font used in the document (never mind that the story was true).
So I would uge that folks not look to synchronicity or the collective unconscious for the source of many such stories like the Lone Gunmen pilot episode about a passenger jet crashing into the WTC.
These bastards KNOW what they are doing with their propaganda. Innoculation is a very effective way to COLOR the way we percieve events. Tell us a scary story. Make it seem unbelievable due to the source. And even if the story is true, we will already be subconsiously dismissing the truth of it.



'Lone Gunmen' Series Presaged 9-11
www.davidcogswell.com/MediaRoulette/LoneGunmen.html

November 10, 2002
... a fascinating TV program aired March 4, 2001, on Fox that foretold the 9-11 attacks on the World Trade Center, with some fascinating twists.
In that story, a faction within the government organized a remote control takeover of a commercial airline, which it then aimed into the World Trade Center. The motive was to stimulate business for the weapons industry, which had been suffering since the end of the Cold War.
In this version of reality, the plot was discovered by a government employee who was not part of the faction, a good guy, a law-abiding citizen who worked for the government and really believed in the laws. To cut to the chase, the heroes of the story manage to thwart the disaster. One of them hacks the Defense Department computers and manages to restore the pilots' ability to manually override the remote control just moments before the plane would have crashed into the south tower.
The climactic scene shows the plane heading into the tower at night from the south, and when the manual override is restored, the pilots lift the plane, just barely missing the Trade Center. ...
The program was the pilot in a series that was spun off from The X-Files by its creator Chris Carter. The new series centers around three hackers and publishers of a conspiracy zine called "The Lone Gunmen. ....
The TV Guide story mentions that the planes were remotely piloted, saying, "Unlike the actual attacks, there was no suicide hijacker in the Gunmen climax; the terrorists attempted to remotely steer the plane into the skyscraper."
Of course since the White House has successfully blocked a thorough, independent investigation, we can't definitely rule out the possibility of remote piloting. In fact, a number of the alleged hijackers whose pictures were released by authorities almost immediately after the incident, were later found to be alive. We don't know who was on the flight, and we don't know if they knew the craft was being driven into a skyscraper.
.... The TV Guide article neglects to mention another major element of the plot. It mentions "terrorists," but never mentions that the terrorists in the story were Americans, part of the government, and they were doing it to create public support for war in order to fuel the weapons industry. This particular parallel was apparently too too disturbing to mention.
To bundle together two aphorisms, let us remember that while life imitates art, truth remains stranger than fiction. We know that the Joint Chiefs of Staff submitted a plan called Operation Northwoods during the Kennedy presidency, in which they advocated terrorist attacks in American cities in order to stir up support for an invasion of Cuba.
And just this week the CIA carried out an assassination from a drone plane, a plane with no driver, remotely controlled from the ground. And we know that remote control systems are in commercial aircraft now too. (See Drones of Death.)
Funny how a Hollywood series could anticipate the 911 scenario, but the multi-billion dollar defense and intelligence establishment was caught totally off guard. George W. Bush and Dick Cheney say no one ever thought of flying hijacked aircraft into buildings before. And they are honorable men. So are they all, all honorable men.


Other military project perception management movies -

1) The 1954 launch of the first nuclear submarine 'Nautilus' was paralleled by Disney's '20,000 Leagues Under the Sea' movie based on the Jules Verne book and the US sub's name was taken from the book. Life hijacks art.

The US government did lots of propaganda to friendly-up nuclear technology to its own public and the rest of the world:
> In 1953 the Eisenhower administration pretended to introduce an 'Atoms for Peace' program at the UN as a Cold War propaganda stunt.
>In 1956 Disney had a Project Paperclip Nazi scientist who had designed V2 rockets for Hitler named Heinz Haber write an illustrated science book used in schools called 'Our Friend the Atom' which depicted nuclear technology as a powerful genie granting mankind wishes. When my copy was mailed to me I met a woman at the post office who remembered teaching out of it back in the day. Yes, Nazis taught our kids during the Cold War.
>In 1959, Disneyland's Tomorrowland opened a ride featuring eight mock nuclear submarines.
>In 1964 'Dr. Strangelove' was released after Stanley Kubrick met with Rand Corporation nuclear strategist Herman Kahn.

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2) The weaponization of space called the Strategic Defence Initiative was already under way when Dr. Robert Bowman was heading the program from 1976-1978. (Bowman quit and renounced it when SDI was made offensive and used to derail all arms control talks. )

The post-Vietnam movie with the catch-phrase 'May the Force Be With You' called 'Star Wars' was released in 1977 and lent its name and good vs. evil imagery to this military program. Recall Reagan's rhetoric against the USSR as "the evil empire" which perfectly matched the National inSecurty State's motives to overcome Vietnam Syndrome with a renewed sense of moral clarity about American Virtue and the Enemies of Freedom. Yes, the 'Empire' did strike back but it was the American Empire and still using the afore-mentioned Nazis like Klaus Barbie in South America.

I think the public was even innoculated against the suppressed history of the CIA-Nazi alliance with the plot device of Darth Vader in his black German helmet telling the white-clad hero, "Luke, I am your father," also a kind of a hijack of the biblical myth of Lucifer as a fallen angel.

So post-Vietnam CIA and America are fallen angels? Yeah. Right. Sometimes allegory is just too...gory.

3) Coming Soon! - the new 'Rambo' which is about an aging fighter, kinda like the recalled senior citizen soldiers the Pentagon has grabbed to throw into the Iraq meat grinder. Stallone's interview on NPR sounded made 60 year-old Rambo sound like an analogy for Uncle Sam on the ropes but still swingin.' The credits of the film include average citizens recreating a famous scene from the original 'Rambo' by running up some steps and then pumping their fists victoriously.

Ah, nationalist imagery. Leni Reifenstahl would be proud despite the low production values.
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Postby professorpan » Tue Dec 12, 2006 2:12 pm

Your descent into self-parody is becoming so dull and predictable it's not worth commenting.

1) The 1954 launch of the first nuclear submarine 'Nautilus' was paralleled by Disney's '20,000 Leagues Under the Sea' movie based on the Jules Verne book and the US sub's name was taken from the book. Life hijacks art.


Yes, life hijacks art. So fucking what? One of the space shuttles was named "Enterprise" after Star Trek's iconic spaceship. One could easily construct a malign psyop to explain that choice -- and I'm sure you probably will, now that I've mentioned it.

Good Lord, man, give it a rest.
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Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue Dec 12, 2006 2:43 pm

professorpan wrote:Your descent into self-parody is becoming so dull and predictable it's not worth commenting.


If it's "not worth commenting," you are contradicting yourself by repeatedly commenting with mere eye-rolling scorn. Entertainment is used as mind-control and that's worth examining.

Yet you ignored ("cherry-picked") all the info on best-seller Robin Moore's CIA shilling.

'Star Trek' really is a great example of Cold War cultural propaganda cloaked in pop sci-fi for kids. (thanks.)


The swashbuckling romantic Federation pirate Captain Kirk leads his obedient crew imitating a US-led United Nations around the universe 'exploring' like the Rockefellers in South America subjugating indigenous people and securing resources against the Soviet-styled evil Klingons.

What's his ship's name? The USS Enterprise. A good capitalist meme.

Despite Federation rules about non-interference in other planet's affairs, that's all the USS Enterprise does. 'As a last resort' and 'at the invitation' of the local governments, of course. Exactly the cover story of the US War Department and CIA.

Even the use of 'gosh golly, Mr. Science' reporting on the US space program is cover for weapons and surveillance programs peddled to children as pure research towards 'understanding.'

I have a relative who was a hardcore Star Trek fan as a child and astronomy buff who now works at NASA. Another works at NSA. This indoctrination stuff does work.
I didn't have TV when I grew up and this is probably why I'm here at RI exposing it's use as mind control.

But this is all "not worth commenting on" for some people and so I gues I'll have to do it myself.
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Postby professorpan » Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:35 pm

Hugh, can you point to any film or TV show from the past forty years that wasn't a propaganda psyop? I'm serious in asking this.

And you clearly didn't watch Star Trek or you'd realize how utterly wrong you are. The reason the show is so popular is that it pointed to a cooperative, peaceful, positive future. Again, your narrow field of vision and cherry-picking clouds any objective analysis.

Wow, one of your relatives works at NASA? He must be ONE OF THEM! After all, all that stuff about space exploration, the study of Earth's atmosphere, sending probes to other planets --- nothing but pure EVIL!

Maybe if you had a TV and watched the program in question you could actually have a clue about what you're talking about.
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Postby Telexx » Tue Dec 12, 2006 5:55 pm

Prof. Pan: I would be interested in reading about or viewing some of the commercial embedded sex/death images you mentioned earlier...

I should clarify that by saying IN CONTEXT as mind control, and not just for fun... :!:

I have read about this being used in the past, but I have friends who are photographers and graphic designers - they think I am mad when I mention things like this.

I have asserted before that it is commerce, not governments, which represent the cutting edge of mass manipulation (which isn't to say that Governments don't get involved, I just cannot believe to the extent where some spook is dictating to George Lucas: look, can you make his shiney helmet black...)

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Postby professorpan » Tue Dec 12, 2006 6:30 pm

Telexx,

I posted some examples a while ago -- lemme see if I can dig up the thread. If not, I'll go through my files and find some of the better examples.

The first one I found was "sex" written in Robert DeNiro's hair in an ad for "Raging Bull." It's clear as day once someone points it out. The image is a painting, not a photo, which made it much easier to put together.
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Postby hanshan » Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:35 pm

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I get tired of the "errors of presentism" that
I so persistently observe cropping up in the attempts
of would-be amateur historians, 30-40 years after the fact.
Some of us were alive and old enough to have a sense of the
Zeitgeist of the late 60s and early 70s.



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Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:48 am

professorpan wrote:Hugh, can you point to any film or TV show from the past forty years that wasn't a propaganda psyop? I'm serious in asking this.


Oh, I'm sure there are plenty that are merely meant to keep people watching habitually and get them dipped in this common culture to share at the water cooler plus make money for those involved.

I think PBS was added to the first three networks to keep the demographic which reads from giving up TV altogether. LBJ's Karl Rove, a guy named Bill Moyers who was director of the Council on Foreign Relations from 1967-1974, had alot to do with this viewer-retention project.

I think most 'mainstream' TV shows and megaplex movies and other mass culture like billboards and radio (Clear Channel?-Dixie Chicks!) and publishing are in the grip of statist mind managers playing their notes on the CIA's Mighty Wurlitzer.
(CIA and its many assets, that is.)

They have the money and the motive for infiltrating or buying up as much media as possible since WWII. That's a long time to get a grip on the American psyche by controlling almost all the songs and almost all the jukeboxes, figuratively speaking.

Look what happened after the social unrest during the Vietnam War - a well-financed and massive culture war to re-militarize the country and never let that happen again.

And you clearly didn't watch Star Trek or you'd realize how utterly wrong you are. The reason the show is so popular is that it pointed to a cooperative, peaceful, positive future. Again, your narrow field of vision and cherry-picking clouds any objective analysis.


I saw lots of the original Star Trek shows by visiting relatives whose kids watched the stuff. There was always conflict with bad guys who were defeated with Male American Ingenuity and Superior Firepower. I remember lots of battles and fighting with cool futuristic weapons.

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I remember having a Star Trek toy gun that shot flourescent colored discs shaped like little frisbees or like the bridge of the USS Enterprise.

What's the name of one of space disinformationista Richard Hoagland's projects?
The Enterprise Mission.

http://www.enterprisemission.com/corbett.htm

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Gender roles sanctioning male domination is the common element to lots of statist propaganda.

Perhaps you realize how much fascist social engineering is simply presenting Action Adventure Males next to Inadequate Women Who Need Their Help or instead persevering and winning by Overcoming Evil Witchy Plotting Women.

Above all, the image of men must remain Likable and Respectable while women are portrayed as Problematic. This is to keep men from emulating the nurturance of women and dropping the warrior identity which is propagated with entertainment scripts.

The Pentagon needs recruitable warriors and CIA's behavioral experts work to reinforce American social cohesion by generating narratives about respect for Authority and Power and Law and Order. Cop shows, military shows, SPORTS.

Football was introduced to TV primetime in early 1970 when the loss of the Vietnam War and peace marches had the War Department concerned that American males might go all peaceful and nurturing. Gay even.

He-man male-centric scripts address this and kids pick this right up while adults are distracted by plot details.

Wow, one of your relatives works at NASA? He must be ONE OF THEM! After all, all that stuff about space exploration, the study of Earth's atmosphere, sending probes to other planets --- nothing but pure EVIL!


? Wha'? This NASA relative was a huge Trekkie and astronomy fan. That's all I wrote of him. Settle down, Pan.

As for NASA, it is primarily a military agency maintaining War Department satellites and researching missile technology, not a 'science for science sake' institution.
And the money spent exploring Jupiter or whatever is stolen from the mouths of America's poor as is the funding for lots of other needless or low-priority projects.

Space exploration is just a front for vast military-industrial spending and psy-ops.
I have a poster from 1969 that is a newpaper front page with a photo of one of America's astronauts on the moon and the headline is "So What?" Exactly.

Remember when W talked about a mission to Mars in his 2004 inauguration speech and there was a collective smirk from the public? His speech writers attempted to use the old Star Trek awe and wonder psy-ops bullshit about "boldy going where no man has gone before" but it fell flat on its little fantasy ass and exploded like a failed launch.

http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/war30.html

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'Course, now that the US elites and those in other countries have broken Earth's damn weather they have something useful to do like watch the poles disappear and figure out how to get rain for food production as temperatures skyrocket per Senate Bill 517.

But the weaponization of space remains job one at the workplace which Project Paperclip Nazis like Werner von Braun helped build.

Maybe if you had a TV and watched the program in question you could actually have a clue about what you're talking about.


Hey, you're getting spittle on my monitor. lol.
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Postby professorpan » Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:18 am

Hey, you're getting spittle on my monitor. lol.


That's the drool leaking out of your mouth :lol:

You're ignoring all the positive themes in Trek. Many of the episodes were topical and dealt with racism, speciesism, war, and so forth. They were written by some of the top science fiction writers of the time.

Were those writers also in the employ of the CIA?

Again, if you knew what you were talking about you'd see that you are incorrect. But you admit you only saw a few episodes, and only when you were a kid. Tis a pity. It's a great show with a positive view of humanity's future.
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Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Wed Dec 13, 2006 2:14 am

professorpan wrote:You're ignoring all the positive themes in Trek. Many of the episodes were topical and dealt with racism, speciesism, war, and so forth.


I do know that the first inter-racial kiss on TV was on Star Trek. But it was because an evil alien forced Captain Kirk and Lieutenant Uhuru to kiss for its own amusement. That's some 'plausible deniability.'

They were written by some of the top science fiction writers of the time.

Were those writers also in the employ of the CIA?


Oh, Like Paul Linebarger aka Cordwainer Smith, the guy who wrote good sci-fi AND the Pentagon's first basic Psychological Warfare textbook?
Some sci-fi writers ARE in the employ of the CIA or DIA like Mr. Linebarger there.
Or would you believe a 2002 first-hand account by sci-fi writer Bill Thomas of being invited in to help the CIA with scenarios along with other sci-fi writers?

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/10.10/start.html?pg=5

Issue 10.10 | Oct 2002

CIVIL DEFENSE

I Fought the Future for the CIA

It started with an email from a friend, asking if I was available to visit �a certain Washington agency.� There soon followed a flurry of messages from people I didn�t know � some of them bearing that most shadowy of return addresses: ucia.gov. And then a weighty package in the mail, bursting with federal documents, and then forms and disclaimers.

The truth is out there: The author, serving his country with top-secret science fiction.
My mission, should I choose to accept it: sit in a room full of fellow sci-fi writers and help imagine, shall we say, things that might someday go bump. But first there was a definite moment of double take, and then a scramble to confirm that this wasn�t some elaborate hoax. Because, like, the CIA needs my advice on scariness?

Let�s face it: The FBI, the NSA, and even Israel�s Mossad are second-rate bogeymen. When it comes to the paranoid fantasies of hit lists and ESP drugs, gigabuck dope deals, and orbiting mind-control lasers, the Agency rules. Then again, it�s not entirely unprecedented for bureaucrats to draw inspiration from science fiction. Fed techies are as likely to read the stuff as any other geeks, and a few at NASA and the DOD even write it.

WANTED: MY DARKEST IDEAS

As I plowed through the last of the prereading on the flight out, I couldn�t shake a grudging sense that the federal government, for all its faults, really is grappling with the new realities. �Libertarians,� a friend had warned me, �are awed by real government. Just like egalitarians are awed by royalty.�

I won�t tell you where the meeting was held. I�ve done government work before and have a collection of expired clearances, although in this case it�s not classified data that binds me. It�s just that I promised not to betray our hosts by blabbing unnecessarily.

I will say that finding the right room was simply a matter of following the suits and uniforms through some double doors to a round table set with name placards. I won�t tell you whose names were on those placards, and I especially won�t repeat what I heard in there. The blinds were lowered, the doors closed, and that was that. Eight hours later we emerged, paler than we went in, and tapes of our conversations were carried away in a sealed plastic bag. Imagination concentrate: Do not add water.

From those tapes will spring transcripts and minutes, and eventually a summary document � all of which probably will be classified. The Agency produces millions of pages every year. But in the way of such things, this info will filter up through layers of bureaucracy, summarized and resummarized, until some ghost of it impinges on policy. And in the circle of a few hundred people who encounter our raw input, decisions will be subtly influenced. At the very least, the butterfly effect ensures that we�ve made some kind of difference, rippling out into the future.

When it was all over, we were handed goodie bags from the CIA gift shop. Later, over dinner, we sci-fi writers were fussing with bills and receipts, fretting over the expense forms we�d have to submit, when something strange happened: A red, white, and blue flicker of nerdy patriotism showed through our jaded facades. �You know,� someone said quietly, �if none of this was reimbursed, I�d have come out here anyway, on my own nickel.�

There were nods and murmurs all around the table, and someone else added: �I said yes before they�d even finished asking. This is my country, you know? Who doesn�t want to help?� I couldn�t imagine.

- Wil McCarthy


So possibly some alphabet agency assets were in on Star Trek and other shows, too.

Probably some were just used as unwitting assets to friendly-up the idea of missiles and satellites which are MILITARY and unnerving to have hanging over our heads. Refer back to the context of the Cold War, nuclear mutual assured destruction, and the Cuban Missile Crisis.

Again, if you knew what you were talking about you'd see that you are incorrect.

lol. okey-dokey, then.
But you admit you only saw a few episodes, and only when you were a kid. Tis a pity.

Um, I just wrote that "I saw lots of episodes..." right up there just above this post.
But you just make up what you want, PP. lol.
It's a great show with a positive view of humanity's future.


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Is that "positive view" warranted or is it psy-ops sugar on a depleted uranium, tritium, and polonium-filled doughnut?

Echelon? HAARP? Total Information Awareness? Cruise missiles? Global Hawk? A War Department budget the size of the rest of the planet's? Millions dead at the hands of the CIA and Pentagon with millions more to go?

US infant mortality sky-rocketed with above-ground nuclear testing which covered much of the US with fall-out. We're ALL 'down-winders' now.

And the nuclear Sword of Damocles still hangs over us despite the Pentagon's assurances in the beginning of the Rand Corporation-advised 'Dr. Strangelove.'

Yes, Star Trek did have contemporary issues embedded in it as did the Twilight Zone.
What is benign about this?

A little research into the history of TV and media shows you who controls programming and why. And they're motives aren't benign.

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Postby wintler2 » Wed Dec 13, 2006 7:20 am

Professor Pan, if you want to disprove HMWs argument, address his/her ideas and links. HMW has repeatedly responded to your scepticism with argument and evidence, and you repeatedly quit the specific issue and fly on to the next thing you doubt (but don't support with evidence). Its probably impossible to prove HMWs is completely wrong (cos who knows where all intel money goes), but you might want to work on making a dent somewhere.
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Last week.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Wed Dec 20, 2006 4:01 am

A few days after the London Times carried the rediculous article about 'Borat' being good for tourism in Kazakhstan the same story was on the front page of the SF Chronicle.

Front page.
The article's 'fun facts' about the country were even footnoted as taken from the CIA fact book.

I think that the "tourists" flocking to Kazakhstan are probably oil people, CIA, and MI6.

I just watched George Clooney's movie 'Syriana.' Oil in Kazakhstan is key to the plot which is based on ex-CIA Robert Baer's books.
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Oliver Stone's+Tom Hanks'+DeNiro's next CIA oil war movies.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Wed Dec 20, 2006 4:05 am

(No, it isn't enough to have Clooney filming with CIA Robert Baer and Borat/Cohen creating diversions for the CIA and MI6. Now Oliver Stone, Tom Hanks, and Robert DeNiro are all doing CIA oil war movies.-HMW)


http://www.communitycurrency.org/9-11.html

I was flattered and happy to receieve warm compliments on the radio yesterday, and via email from my 9/11 truth colleagues, but I was also sobered by an email that said-

"you were getting dissed tonight on kpfk at 12:30am, by a guy named daniel something or other
he said you were getting paid to put out disinformation!"

Does anyone know if Daniel Hopsicker was the guy on KPFK? He has attacked me before. It does seem like there are elements within the 9/11 truth movement that are spending more energy on attacking one another than those who did 9/11. John Albanese is working on a film looking at Cointelpro efforts to destroy the movement. I guess we should be flattered that we are succeeding and having so much impact that we actually merit being fought "tooth and nail."

The more serious threat, sadly, comes from Hollywood, where big names and big producers are churning out "CIA Propaganda."

My friend called me today and urged me, and others to lobby Oliver Stone to not do the proposed CIA flick (Here is the email she sent me awhile back...)

Dear friends of Afghanistan,

Beginning in 1992 we've worked with Oliver Stone to develop an Afghanistan story based on our experience and research. There is nobody in Hollywood who has been better briefed on the deep complexities and American responsibilities than Oliver surrounding the Afghan story. Rather than take on the challenging and complex story that every American needs to know, Oliver has chosen to make his Afghanistan film based on Jawbreaker, a book by a CIA officer who helped topple the Taliban. It's particularly tragic that Oliver should choose this story given that the Taliban are on the rise again!

We've included below the letter Sima Wali sent to Oliver... Please send your own letter and feel free to pass this information along.

Thanks,
Paul & Liz

______________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Oliver Stone
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Santa Monica, CA 90401
Fax: 310-395-1536

November 7, 2006

Dear Mr. Stone,

I was shocked to read that you have chosen to make a film about Afghanistan based on Gary Bernsten’s Jawbreaker. The world does not need another film from the perspective of the intelligence operatives who set this tragedy in motion in the first place. In Robert Dreyfuss's Devil’s Game How the United States Helped Unleash Fundamentalist Islam, the truth of the US role in creating Afghanistan’s travail today is laid bare. "In Afghanistan, we made a deliberate choice," says Cheryl Benard, a RAND Corporation expert on political Islam, who is married to Zalmay Khalilzad, who served as U.S. ambassador in Kabul. "At first, everyone thought, There's no way to beat the Soviets. So what we have to do is to throw the worst crazies against them that we can find, and there was a lot of collateral damage. We knew exactly who these people were, and what their organizations were like, and we didn't care," she says. "Then, we allowed them to get rid of, just kill all the moderate leaders. The reason we don't have moderate leaders in Afghanistan today is because we let the nuts kill them all. They killed the leftists, the moderates, the middle-of-the-roaders. They were just eliminated, during the 1980s and afterward."

I understand that Tom Hanks is in production for Charlie Wilson’s War, a telling that lionizes the wild-west fantasy world of the Mujihadeen freedom fighters. Robert DeNiro has the rights to former CIA Station Chief in Pakistan during the Reagan Administration Milt Bearden’s book The Main Enemy that continues to glorify these operatives while revealing nothing of the role of their puppeteers.

As I work to resurrect Afghanistan from the ashes of the Cold War that destroyed my homeland, I’ve come to realize it is the ignorance of the US role by Americans that is my biggest obstacle. These films will set an understanding of the atrocity to the Afghan people back a century.

I ask you to please not use your great talent to add to the misery of my people.

Sincerely,

Sima Wali, President
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