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Re: Johnny Gosch update

Postby Dreams End » Sun Sep 03, 2006 1:25 am

Finding a way around the server issue via google cache. A pic of Brian Bleyl:<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.missingkids.com/photographs/NCMC600332c1.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>Article about a guy who'd been acquitted in that case. <br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>The disappearance of 12-year-old Bleyl has been one of Arizona's most enduring tragedies. In 1981, paper boys just didn't disappear from middle-class, north-central Phoenix neighborhoods in broad daylight, never to be seen or heard from again.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://phxnewtimes.com/Issues/1994-01-06/news/news.html">phxnewtimes.com/Issues/1994-01-06/news/news.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I'll put the others up ASAP <p></p><i></i>
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Re: What do this of this

Postby Dreams End » Sun Sep 03, 2006 1:39 am

This looks very promising though the circumstances of Reagan Uden's disappearance don't really seem to fit...but unless SW is right about maybe the "boy" on the left being a girl, this looks pretty similar. I know it's really hard to tell.<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.childsearch.org/images/reagan_uden.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>Reagan has a small scar on his right eyelid and has gaps between his front teeth. He was last seen with his mother and his older brother, Richard. They were going to meet their adoptive father. The vehicle they were traveling in was found abandoned and vandalized. To see an age enhanced photo of Reagan as he may look at age 22 years click here.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.childsearch.org/reagan_uden.html">www.childsearch.org/reagan_uden.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: What do this of this

Postby Dreams End » Sun Sep 03, 2006 1:40 am

Reagan's brother Richard was two years older. Wore glasses but those could have been removed. <br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.childsearch.org/images/richard_uden.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: What do this of this

Postby Dreams End » Sun Sep 03, 2006 1:44 am

crap...was Gosch abducted in 82? That means the time frame I used was wrong. I stopped at Sept. 2 of 82 so if that freaking server comes back up, I'll extend the search. I had 81 in my mind. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: What do this of this

Postby FourthBase » Sun Sep 03, 2006 2:13 am

What server are you using? I tried the NCMEC search, but it doesn't work unless you have a name. Yeah, that makes sense. Makes me wonder if the NCMEC actually wants children found.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PageServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&PageId=1652">www.missingkids.com/missi...ageId=1652</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: What do this of this

Postby Dreams End » Sun Sep 03, 2006 2:21 am

you can do an advanced search...by date or any other criteria.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=initAdvanceSearch&LanguageCountry=en_US&searchLang=en_US&ctyCode=US">www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=initAdvanceSearch&LanguageCountry=en_US&searchLang=en_US&ctyCode=US</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Maybe you'll have better luck. I can't swear it was working at first because it does let me get through once every few tries. I wanted to redo the search including girls as well, but haven't gotten that far. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: What do this of this

Postby FourthBase » Sun Sep 03, 2006 3:02 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr> The following error(s) occurred: <br> <br> System has encountered a problem. Please try again.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>Searched for August of 77 to August of 88.<br>I tried it three more times. Got that error every time.<br>The date entry is so aggravating and time consuming...<br>Again, I wonder if the NCMEC actually wants children found. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: What do this of this

Postby darkbeforedawn » Sun Sep 03, 2006 3:33 am

Could all this hoopla over people who have probably been dead for over 20 years be an attempt to take a little fire away from REAL news? NYTs had to admit to 911 truth. In a very tepid article they did actualy reference Journal of 9-11studies online-Kevin Ryan's site. The dam has broken and the waters getting VERY HIGH. <p></p><i></i>
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photographers

Postby blanc » Sun Sep 03, 2006 4:10 am

DE's comment that someone had been photographing children from a van put me in mind of this sub story to the dutroux affair. not to deflect attention from this Gosch story, but to underline the need for vigilance, and the interconnectedness of things.<br>A father of 4 young children, in 1989, scuffled with a man whom his children had told him was photographing children at play. This was in the village of Dour, Belgium/French border. In the scuffle he saw the man had a bag of photos of children, he made him give him those of his own children. The man had a professional looking camera with zoom. He ran off (after being punched) and got in a large grey car, driven by someone else. This father reported this to police in Sept 96, when they had appealed for witnesses in connection with enquiries into a company called ASCO, supposedly dealing in 2nd hand car parts but suspected of being a front for criminal activites. police had been worried about reports of cars circulating from which people were photographing youngsters. The father had kept the photo, and on making his report, noticed it was stamped with a serial number, and the name and address of the photographer, Eric Mattheeussen.In the same year , 96, a witness complained that a man had turned up at the funeral home where he was mourning his dead younger sister and tried to take photographs. This was in Antwerp. The police raided Mattheeussen's home and found it full of boxes of photographs of children, some alive, many dead. the dead children's photos were sometimes arranged in series, where he had posed them unpleasantly. there was also a system of categorising the photos, with ref. to families, addresses, family members in about 50 notebooks, also some paedo mags and cuttings about disappeared children. this man was brought to trial, but declared insane. little or nothing was done to identify the many children in the photos. police believed he had been active for 30 years. nothing was done to find his accomplices.<br>Their background enquiries showed he had been born at Etterbeek. This was the location of a club called La Piscine, which had connections with the dutroux affair but escaped investigation. La P was owned by Hofmans, who was president of the Neo Tantra cult, which was reg. as a charity at the address of his club. He absented himself during the Dutroux investigations. Neo Tantra was re-registered at the address of Eric Mattheeussen.<br><br>The Dutroux affair connects to some important people and links to illegal arms dealing which went on under the auspices of govts (US and UK) but bypassing comgress and parliament, framing innocent company directors in the process. IMO it is because of the usefullness of criminal paedophile groups (sweeteners and blackmail) that we see no progress, only cover-up. UK govt. Min of Defence, is refusing to co-operate with fraud squad investigation into Al Yamammah deals. At same time we have "Transparency International" - " a leading major anti corruption initiative.....funded largely by UK Government's Department for International Development..."<br>plus ca change.<br><br>it is for us to keep rattling the cages over missing and abducted and abused children , to keep LISTENING to survivors, to keep pestering for action. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: photographers

Postby FranklinCase Admin » Sun Sep 03, 2006 5:10 am

Fourthbase asked if I had any updates on Gosch, unfortunately I don't, other than what's already out there. <br><br>I can say the website is humming with activity. Web traffic is up about one thousand percent.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: photographers

Postby FourthBase » Sun Sep 03, 2006 6:04 am

I cannot stress enough how <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>infuriating</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> it is to try searching for missing children profiles on the NCMEC website and get that error message 99 out of 100 times. I figured maybe it was a temporary problem and I should contact the site...and of course the webmaster's contact page gives the same error message. This is seriously disturbing.<br><br>Anyway, what little luck I had getting search results came when I changed the years of the search parameters in between attempts, and it was still a very low success rate. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: photographers

Postby FourthBase » Sun Sep 03, 2006 9:03 am

Here are the Web Sleuth threads on Gosch:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-42820">www.websleuths.com/forums...hp/t-42820</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1165992#post1165992">www.websleuths.com/forums...ost1165992</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Some links regarding other missing children (several cases have peculiar histories) while we wait on an update on these photos:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/66uffl.html">www.doenetwork.us/cases/66uffl.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/257dfnm.html">www.doenetwork.us/cases/257dfnm.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/56dmca.html">www.doenetwork.us/cases/56dmca.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/140dmpa.html">www.doenetwork.us/cases/140dmpa.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/117dmab.html">www.doenetwork.us/cases/117dmab.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/130dfca.html">www.doenetwork.us/cases/130dfca.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/174dmca.html">www.doenetwork.us/cases/174dmca.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/266dfmt.html">www.doenetwork.us/cases/266dfmt.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/272dfil.html">www.doenetwork.us/cases/272dfil.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/244dmpa.html">www.doenetwork.us/cases/244dmpa.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/93dmnv.html">www.doenetwork.us/cases/93dmnv.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> !!!<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/48dmnv.html">www.doenetwork.us/cases/48dmnv.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/34dmia.html">www.doenetwork.us/cases/34dmia.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/57dmma.html">www.doenetwork.us/cases/57dmma.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/69dmma.html">www.doenetwork.us/cases/69dmma.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/157dmwa.html">www.doenetwork.us/cases/157dmwa.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/170dftn.html">www.doenetwork.us/cases/170dftn.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> WTF<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/200dfks.html">www.doenetwork.us/cases/200dfks.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: photographers

Postby FourthBase » Sun Sep 03, 2006 10:06 am

Interesting stuff on the Websleuth thread, 2nd one down. There's a shady poster there "cppweb" who took the lead in trying to debunk DeCamp, Noreen, etc. He claimed to have personally investigated the case and concluded that it was a scam. Check out some of the heinously false shit he wrote (page 3 of the thread):<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>We will all find out in a few months as the case is finally coming to an end. I have been told indictments will be un sealed and arrests will be made.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>This was all in December of 2004.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Oh yeah another thing......if Johnny was kidnapped into a pedophile ring, surely there would be pictoral evidence floating around the web. So far there is nothing that has showed up to this point.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>D'oh. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rolleyes --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Why I know all this? <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>I am a law enforcement liaison that writes studies on famous and old cases for educational purposes.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> This case has came into my desk about 13 years ago as per the AMW shows. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>I was there for all the segment filmings as a advisor adn I have met all the parties involved including Rusty Nelson.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Again I must say that the show was cancelled due to the fact the FBI and SEC started an investigation into the financial status of the not for profit groups and family financials.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>I have written a book about the whole case <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>starting weeks before the abduction</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> to present day. It is a complete detailed date by date refrence.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Note: Paul Bonacci has indicated that he was also involved in the Wetterling case, well he stuck his foot in his mouth on that one because MN DCI knows who the perp is but do not have the evidence to make an arrest. So by Mr. Bonacci making those statement just shows you he is full of crap and is a mixed up nut case as well as a pedophile (Book explains his positions)<br><br>It is completely sad and is a travisty of peoples faith and true hearted actions all for nothing. There are going to be many people ticked off once the truth is told.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>He pushes the same "blame Bonacci" angle as "son of gaia".<br>And then there's more of the heinous bullshit:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Miles, just about 2/12 months ago there was a team of law enforcement agents with Iowa DCI, FBI and West DesMoines PD and the Polk County Sheriff's dept. digging up around the area where John Gosch had his hobby farm northwest of Des Moines. John used to sell seed and used this plot to do his seed/planting tests and store all his personal stuff including a Korean war era jeep. Well in that jeep under the passenger seat (There is a compartment) was a bunch of tapes, tapes that were telephone recordings of Noreen for a period of three months after the AMW story. Now that is strange. Those tapes are now in the hands of the Iowa DCI for review.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Then he gets asked to provide links, references...<br>And pook, no activity on the board for a couple months.<br><br>Weird, huh? <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=fourthbase>FourthBase</A> at: 9/3/06 8:11 am<br></i>
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Re: photographers

Postby FourthBase » Sun Sep 03, 2006 10:21 am

Whoa, still reading...look at <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>this shit</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> from cppweb:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I know these things because I was involved in all the hoopla in the late 80's and early 90's<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>I am the "Jimmy" dude that America's Most Wanted found. <br><br>I was not kidnapped when I was a kid but I ran away from home and went to Omaha and then got involved (forced) into this crap.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>So when I say trust me that the person they think is Johnny is not.<br><br>This whole thing I believe is financially motivated (Now Days)<br><br>As far as Leonard Gosch's involvement, I am firmly convinced that he had a part of it.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Mr. Gosch, still lives in Iowa, if you go to the State of Iowa, division of courts, do an online record search you can see he has not diappeared.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>I can back up everythign I say as I am really the only creditable person that knows what really happened. <br><br>By the way, Paul Bonacci was not involved in the abduction of Johnny. This is one of those Decamp flaunts.<br><br>It goes really deep, but not to the white house or satanic crap or anything like that. That is all conspiracy fantasies.<br><br>Sorry for the spelling, but I do the best I can.<br><br>I will take questions on this forum.<br><br>til then, have a good one.<br><br>Also, Decamp states Troy Boner has died. Another false fact. I just see him a few days ago, also there is no SSI Death index reporting on him,.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>WTF. This guy is the most schizophrenic troll I've ever read. Anyway, ignore it sorry I posted anything he wrote here. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: photographers

Postby FourthBase » Sun Sep 03, 2006 10:26 am

From reading stuff posted there about JBR, I had thought Websleuths was all about the "FACT"/"NOT FACT" format, and was looking forward to that treatment of the Gosch case. This thread was just a regular message board thread, with a freaky troll as a bonus. Disappointed, to say the least. <p></p><i></i>
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