New photo up on The Johnny Gosch Foundation site

[Et in Arcadia ego]

CNN board?!



I'm good, cheers.

[chiggerbit]

Different boys camp:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/bal-te.camp ... 7840.story

[dickdecent]

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There is even a cached version of the page which someone has REMOVED since Feb 02 that was available from the original AZ article here:

http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/20 ... for-f.html

Having said that, I too err on the side of extreme caution, because of the timing mentioned by Jeff AND because I don't think the original Gosch pic really had camp caribou on the bag... it just really looks too doctored to be true to me... on further analysis of that pic the difference in colour and contrast between the words 'camp' and 'caribou' is pretty untenable.. that much difference between the two words as they sit in the image, and the colour adjustment on the pixellated blobs that spell caribou is not, IMO consistent with the picture as taken.

I wonder if NG could tell us in what format the picture arrived... i.e. a hard copy physical photo in an envelope through the post?

Or was it delivered by some other electronic means?? [unlikely as the sender could be identified much more easily]

If it was an actual photograph delivered... I'd LOVE to see a full res version.

BTW chasing AZ I did find this rather interesting page:

http://www.regainnetwork.org/article.php?a=47245747
scroll down till u find camp caribou and check the entry two below that...
Could ALL these camps be involved?
Wasn't pedo priest Rev. Marcial Maciel Degollado head of all the LoC organisations...?

[Et in Arcadia ego]

Or was it delivered by some other electronic means?? [unlikely as the sender could be identified much more easily]

The artifacts we are seeing are digital. This suggests that the tweaking was done post-scan.

For whatever that's worth.

Unless the original was a hard copy and she had access to a very expensive scanner, the scanning process would have gaussed existing artifacts to a point, but it doesn't look as if that's what happened to the image.

Its little things like this that bug the shit out of me.

[dickdecent]

Exactly my point Et...
Those digi-artifacts should/need not exist at all if the image was originally a hard copy...
It would just need re-scanning at a decent res... instead of looking like a phone pic. a high resolution image of the original [if it is an actual photograph] would clear up a lot of speculation, and save bugging the shit out of both of us.

[Searcher08]

My thought has shifted from the Catholic church sweeping child abuse things "under the rug" as and when required, to actually having paedophile sub-network(s) within it that are very well organised, have connectinons with both organised crime and Intel and are covered right from the very top of the Church.

I would highly recommend the work of retired NYPD detective Jim Rothstein, who has been helping Noreen Gosch for a number of years. He gives some great background into some of the isues involved in trying to take out networks such as these.

From arcticbeacon.com

On the radio show, Rothstein addressed the huge pedophile ring problem, using his experience as a detective providing credibility for his statements. Rothstein was know for years, until his forced retirement in the 80's as one of the few good policeman who tried to get to the bottom of human trafficking through pedophile rings.



"The trail of guilt went right to the steps of the Vatican and the highest government officials in our country," said Rothstein. "I had informants who help us finally realized Cardinal Spellman was behind the problem. He was one of the most powerful and evil men in this country and after his death, the same thing is going on with Cardinal Egan.



"Not one case had ever been allowed to proceed to the real perpetrators as people like NY District Attorney Morgenthal are always protecting the higher-ups. People need to realize who are the real perpetrators in our government and the government, demanding that the kidnapping of our children finally be stopped. I consider this problem to be the biggest terrorist threat facing our country.



"The real story has always been kept from the people and when it does break like in the Franklin Cover-up, only the lower level people are arrested. When I was getting close to the real Vatican and U.S. government perpetrators, my patner and I were offered two million dollars to drop the investigation, the money coming in two suitcases each loaded with a million dollars.



"When we refused the money, eventually I was approached with taking an early retirement and if I refused, they said I might never see a pay check again. I think it was clear what they meant."



After Rothstein retired, he laid low for five years but said he never could really retire because many people who lost children kept calling him for help.



"The world got around that I was really trying to end the pedophile problem and I just kept investigating . I want people to understand the problem is worse today and the kidnapping case of Johnny Gosch, involving the same people in the Franklin case, is a good example.



Rothstein has been helping Johnny's mother, Noreen, in trying to solve the Gosch 1982 kidnapping as new evidence in the forms of revealing photos have surfaced.



Recently, Noreen Gosch spoke on the Investigative Journal about her son's case and the photos.



Gosch is also not afraid to sadly admit -- although it hurts -- that her son has become just another young face put on a milk carton, a face she has seen only in her dreams for more than 20 years as all leads have taken her down the proverbial dead end street due to a massive cover-up at the highest levels.



But then in August, out of the blue, Gosch received what she claims to be an important lead in the case, a package arriving on her doorstep, strangely arriving on her birthday.



"On my birthday," said Gosch in a message posted on a web site she since started, "I received a package with the following pictures inside. The first photo is of my son Johnny, shortly after he was kidnapped on Sept. 5th, 1982. He was still wearing the clothing he had on the day he was taken. He is bound and gagged."



Since the photo of her kidnapped son arrived, other photos and information started pouring in, including more photos of her young son along with photos of other alleged kidnapped children.



Although some of the photos have been identified as coming from an "exclusive members only" porno site and some of the other children have been identified by their families, Gosch remains perplexed at the lack of interest by law enforcement and the hush-hush attitude taken by legislators, including the Bush White House.



"There is something we can all do to help plead the cause of protecting innocent children," said Gosch in and October plea to officials.



"Please send letters to President Bush, and e-mails to Vice President Cheney and your State Senators, Representatives and Governors at the following addresses, asking that 'jacobstales' and other pedophilia websites like it be investigated."



Rothstein added that he personally has tried to renew the interest of the Gosch case since the photos surfaced, but he has been blocked every step of the way.



Looking for solutions, Rothstein is calling for a bi-partisan congressional investigation and public hearings with the hearings to be aired publicly by a special prosecutor and Grand Jury.



He added:



"Any body invoking 5 amendment rights during the Congressional hearings would be put in front of the Grand Jury. The Grand Jury would also subpoena appropriate witnesses. The Grand Jury would return recommendations, findings and indictments.


"Laws to be passed, include the following:


"Any enforcement agency, agent, prosecutor, or any authority failing to act on pedophilia or the criminal use of children complaint by doing a complete investigation is guilty of a crime. (felony)

"Any person, agency, or other entity who interferes, threatens, harasses, impedes, or in anyway compromises an investigation, prosecution, or witness in pedophile criminal case or criminal use of children case is guilty of a felony with mandatory 5 year prison sentence.

"Anybody who uses children, for child porn, pedophilia, to compromise, extort or cause another person to do an unwilling act is guilty of a felony punishable by death. (life in prison, no parole)

"Anybody who buys, sells, trades or in any way promotes, enables, or profits from pedophilia, human compromise, or the use of children in a criminal manner is guilty of a felony punishable by death. (life in prison, no parole)

[stackdag]

BTW Stack, as your rebuttal of my earlier post actually contained precisely nothing of the spirit [or meaning] of the original, I see no need to repeat myself, as surely as eggs is eggs, you would only miss the point again!

To dickdecent:

Even if the FBI and police are corrupt...they are the only real means we have of getting some kind of criminal justice in the case. And despite what you might think, I think there's still some decent people left in law enforcement even it's just a handful.

What do you suggest we do...pin crystals to our nipples and chant to the lizard men of nebula 6 to come and help us take care of it?

I guess you must really be a coward that can't answer direct and simple questions...

If I'm missing the point, it's either because you can't write well enough to communicate it clearly or it's because you really have no point. I tend to think it's the latter.

BTW, I really see no reason why Noreen would even want to post here when fucks like you and your compatriots sit here and speculate that she killed her own son.

Why don't you layout all your theories on how she killed Johnny directly to her face right here and now dickdecent??? Or tell her how you think that her son showing up at her door wasn't him at all but a double agent or whatever other nonsense it was you and your buddies "rigorously inuited".

Afterall that was the real point of your response to me wasn't it???
That you should be "allowed" to explore all the possibile theories without a "cloyingly, self-righteous post" like mine giving you shit right?

Well now's your chance to do it....

[dickdecent]

Don't wanna stray too far off topic here, but this is a really interesting read...
'Specially as it's old and ABC...! And Maciel was the uber-Kontroller of Camp Caribou right from the 60's thru to past JG's abduction.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Story?id=123910&page=1

Check out who was Father Marcial Maciel's top defender... and blocked the Suit[s] against him and The Vatican...

The accusers say Vatican-based Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, who heads the Vatican office to safeguard the faith and the morals of the church, quietly made the lawsuit go away and shelved it.

The LoC's Overlord has his skin saved by the future Black Pope!

curiouser and curiouser

[chiggerbit]

Here's more on that, dickdecent:

http://www.rickross.com/reference/loc/loc51.html

[brainpanhandler]

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There is even a cached version of the page which someone has REMOVED since Feb 02 that was available from the original AZ article here:

http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/20 ... for-f.html

Having said that, I too err on the side of extreme caution, because of the timing mentioned by Jeff AND because I don't think the original Gosch pic really had camp caribou on the bag... it just really looks too doctored to be true to me... on further analysis of that pic the difference in colour and contrast between the words 'camp' and 'caribou' is pretty untenable.. that much difference between the two words as they sit in the image, and the colour adjustment on the pixellated blobs that spell caribou is not, IMO consistent with the picture as taken.

Nice try though. There were other members of this myspace alums webpage for the camp in maine. I'll dig around on myspace some more and see if I can locate it.

As for the pic of the bag... the current logo of camp caribou in ME does not seem to resemble the blob in the Gosch photo, but it's difficult to tell, obviously.

It seems that it is possible that someone simply enhanced the photo to make it more readable, perhaps with the intent of generating a lead rather than as a distraction or falsification?

[dickdecent]

Oh dear stack!

What outrageous and utterly misrepresentative drivel...

shall I quote direct from my original post:

No-one has claimed that NG murdered J and is now actively helping the psy-op...

Deep down I can't bring myself to think of NG as a co-perp after all these years of feeling real empathy for her as a victim

The Bonacci trial transcript is still arguably the most informative and useful hard information on the 'true story' to have been recorded

Neither I nor any responsible person would claim to have all the facts or some sort of 'theory that's the truth' on this matter, and no-one on here as far as I can make out has made any such claim... least of all me.

My post was about defending et and others' position of being able to moot and examine other ideas/theories in the light of the caribou picture and naturally enough I still defend that...
in other words Stack old bean, you went ahead and missed the point again anyway! [I just knew he would...]

As for all these strange personal attacks about me being a "psychic new age" person, and this sort of stuff:

Stack said: What do you suggest we do...pin crystals to our nipples and chant to the lizard men of nebula 6 to come and help us take care of it?

I think it's pretty unnecessary and offensive, and particularly useless on a thread like this where people are trying to share info and ideas.

No attack was made on you personally, I just strongly disagreed with the logic and inference of your original post, and I have the right to do that don't I?

From Stack's Original post:

Jeff said he INCREASED THE CONTRAST.
To bolster his own twisted argument that it's been tampered with....

You guys probably also believe that NO PLANES hit the World Trade Center buildings on 911 too eh??? ....

Basically what I'm hearing here is that you guys think:
"Noreen killed her own son..."

NO Stack, no no no no no, none of the above ranting from your original post applies to the real world, but I will defend your right to post it, just like we're all entitled to post what we feel.

If however, you feel you just can't post without childish personal attacks, calling fellow posters "fuck" and all the other outrageous flaming... well ... just don't post matey.

It'd be best for all of us, Y'know what I mean

[chiggerbit]

Maybe it's just my overactive imagination, but the New Hampshire Catholic boys camp reports look to me almost like an organized, systemic abuse of children.

".....Patrick McGee, spokesman for the diocese, said the church has not received any complaints about Dowd or other priests at the camp. He said the diocese has not paid any settlements stemming from allegations of sexual abuse there.

Lawyer Roderick MacLeish, who has settled dozens of sexual abuse cases against the Archdiocese of Boston, said alleged victims told him a "substantial number" of priests used the camp as a place for sex with boys.

They said priests from Massachusetts would visit the camp, sometimes bringing boys from their communities, MacLeish said. He said alleged victims told him the priests often took boys to a home near the camp, got them drunk and molested them.

"It was constant," said another of Hutchins' clients, a man who attended the camp for several years during the early 1970s. "It was nothing to see somebody take a little kid, go into a cabin, close all the shutters."...."

One problem I've had for a long time with DeCamp's version of the Franklin scandal has been what seemed to me like a deliberate re-direction of attention away from the Church's role in that scandal. So, I'm kind of wondering if Boys Town has any connection with that Legionaries of Christ, and also if there is any connection between the New Hampshire camp and the Maine camp..

[Jeff]

One problem I've had for a long time with DeCamp's version of the Franklin scandal has been what seemed to me like a deliberate re-direction of attention away from the Church's role in that scandal.

I think that's a great observation. He seems inclined to treat the Boy's Town/priestly aspects of the case more as a matter of "a few bad apples," rather than as a systematic/institutional issue.

[chiggerbit]

As for Maciel, this statement Jumped out at me:

http://www.rickross.com/reference/loc/loc51.html

"...When he was congregation prefect, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger halted proceedings at Christmas 1999, later telling a Mexican bishop that it was “delicate” because of Maciel’s record in attracting young men to the priesthood...."

[shefner]

CNN board?!



I'm good, cheers.

Oh, good grief, et....it's not that bad! The In Session Board was once the CourtTV board....but CourtTV has been replaced and CNN allowed the crime boards to continue under their site. It still operates the same as before. It has the same moderators and administrators.

Its a great place to get the very latest on current crimes and old crimes too. It has an informative missing persons board.

I'm a member of several boards and surf them daily just to see whats out there....

Now, can I have a smiley?