Johnny Gosch update

by **FourthBase** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 10:39 am

Another Websleuths thread (5 pages, no trolls I hope) <a href="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42834&page=1&pp=25">www.websleuths.com/forums...ge=1&pp=25</a>

by **Avalon** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 11:55 am

While they've stopped their ubiquitous pop-up ads on the net, the X10 company still makes little wireless security cameras. Too bad Noreen didn't have one. <a href="http://www.x10.com/homepage.htm">www.x10.com/homepage.htm</a>

by **Dreams End** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 12:47 pm

Thanks for the reminder, blanc. It reminded me that this guy evidently had pro equipment, according to the neighborhood flyer...i.e. large zoom lens. I already had my own plan of what I would do if I found him and made sure my step-daughter knew about it. No further reports since the flyer went around, but a few years ago a girl disappeared in another part of town. Police refused to call an amber alert for months and months. Never did really follow up on a large number of leads (many of which, if they had panned out, would not have implicated any higher ups so I'm not sure what the motivation was.) Missing kids website is working again. maybe just a temporary glitch.

by **FourthBase** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 1:29 pm

Finally it's working, thanks for the head's up DE. Since we don't know the date of that picture... My search was from 81 to 84. Here are some possibilities: <a href="http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=600166&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US">www.missingkids.com/missi...Lang=en_US</a> <a href="http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=601681&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US">www.missingkids.com/missi...Lang=en_US</a> <a href="http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=601811&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US">www.missingkids.com/missi...Lang=en_US</a> <a href="http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=603366&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US">www.missingkids.com/missi...Lang=en_US</a> <a href="http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=601852&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US">www.missingkids.com/missi...Lang=en_US</a> <a href="http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=601788&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US">www.missingkids.com/missi...Lang=en_US</a> I must've linked to some of these from the Doe Network. Doe has more info and updates, and some of these cases may have been resolved (unhappily).

by **chiggerbit** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 3:43 pm

WTF. This guy is the most schizophrenic troll I've ever read. Anyway, ignore it sorry I posted anything he wrote here. Don't be so quick to discount, Fourth. Didn't Noreen say something about a Jimmy coming to her house and telling her something about Johnny, I think it was, having been with him at his dad's house, and he had Noreen call his dad to verify? Something about that made me wonder if Jimmy had been a runaway, at least something that didn't seem to fit in with Jimmy being a kidnap victim himself. Shoot, I'm trying to remember where I saw that. I don't know, there seems to me something disingenuous about Noreen's playing the hopeful, confused mother when everyone was speculating that Johnny was Guckert. I think she knew good and well they weren't the same person. So, it is possible that the Jimmy is not a troll. Same goes for the cop. Possibly a baffoon, not necessarily a troll. It's not unusual for cops to think they know more than they really do. Hard to believe tthat that cop has the ability to write a book. Anyway, I guess part of my doubts about Noreen have to do with her continued involvement with Gunderson. I'm one of those who just does not trust Ted Gunderson, and I have a hard time trusting anyone who continues to be involved with the man. That's mainly why I have a hard time with finding DeCamp credible. I can understand how people who first come in contact with him might be bamboozled, but surely, if they have an ounce of sense, will soon figure it out. But, there are other things about DeCamp that have always kept me on guard, on a gut level. I'll make a new thread for that. Right now, I'll just stick to Gunderson, as he's so involved in the Gosh case. I believe that Gunderson himself acknowledges that he retired from the FBI and that he was in COINTEL at one time. That's two huge strikes against believing anything he says right there. The man is trained in muddying the water. Then, if you look at all the "cases" he attaches" himself to, you start to see a pattern of cases that never get solved. Why is that? He also seems to have involved himself intimately with his victims...I mean clients. I can't tell you how incredibly unethical and unprofessional that is. Is it because he is ethically sloppy, or does he use these people for other ends? Also, Gunderson engages in all sorts of little on-going squabbles and bickering fueds. That's either an indication of a dysfunctional personality or something darker, more deliberate. But, this is why I hold some reservations about Noreen. She never cuts bait. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 9/3/06 1:45 pm

by **FourthBase** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 3:48 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>So, it is possible that the Jimmy is not a troll. Same goes for the cop. Possibly a baffoon, not necessarily a troll. It's not unusual for cops to think they know more than they really do. Hard to believe tthat that cop has the ability to write a book.<hr></blockquote> Chigger, it was the same poster. That's why = troll.

by **chiggerbit** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 3:53 pm

I guess I didn't read it close enough. Of course, it's always possible that Jimmy became a cop. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eek.gif ALT=":eek">

by **LilyPatToo** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 4:09 pm

Isn't it possible that Noreen Gosch simply wanted to let the sudden new surge of interest in her son's disappearance play out, back when the Gannon/Guckert scandal broke? If she'd spoken up with any caveats she had personally about the guy being her son, the media might have dropped the Gosch angle. If I was me, I'd want my missing child back in the news, where there's at least a slim chance that someone who knows something might see it and come forward with new evidence. And I would love to see a thread devoted to Ted Gunderson, since I'm confused by the firestorm that seems to break out wherever he goes. If he's COINTELPRO, I'd like to know it....my tendency is to want to believe that he's legit, since he's one of the few people who actually listen to MC survivors. There's always the possibility that his detractors are the disinfo agents, rather than him.....But either way I want to know. LilyPat

by **chiggerbit** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 4:12 pm

I think he may be in data dump. Ask yourself if he is "listening" or exploiting vulnerable people. I think Jackie McCauly used to post here. I wish she'd show up again. She'd tell you about her experience with him. From Ted's own site: <a href="http://www.tedgunderson.com/Help.htm">www.tedgunderson.com/Help.htm</a> First and foremost, we solicit your prayers. Pray for God's hand of protection to cover those exposing these attrocities, pray for God's guidence upon those pursuing the information, and pray for God's mercy upon the innocent who have been ensnared by these evil men. We need financial support. Although a lot has been accomplished, financial constraints continue to limit the speed at which new leads are pursued. We gladly accept donations, but usually ask that you support us through purchasing the products. The dissemination of known information is just as important as the accumulation of new information. So get the products and spread the word! We are seeking episodes of America's Most Wanted that deal with the Johnny Gosch kidnapping. There were six episodes total that aired in the early through mid-90's; we are in need of the last three. If you know of anyone who may have recorded these episodes, please contact us. And, of course, anyone who has inside information on Kidnappings, cover-ups, Satanic activity, or the New World Order itinerary! Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 9/3/06 2:21 pm

by **chiggerbit** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 4:42 pm

His having been an FBI agent seems to be fact, though I can't confirm the COINTELPRO. This is interesting, only available in cache: <a href="http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:XWxcYgT1P94J:www.wiolawapress.com/ted.htm+www.wiolawa.com/area51.htm&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1">64.233.167.104/search?q=c...=clnk&cd=1</a>

by **Avalon** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 6:55 pm

I believe the word used for what was dropped on Noreen's doorstep is "package." Something more than just two photos (which would fit in a small envelope)? Or just holding back on package description to check against any claimants who come forward to say they did it?

by **FourthBase** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 10:24 pm

Google News update: It was all over the country's local TV news today. And according to the blog's comments... ABC did a report in which they showed the pics and interviewed Noreen. (Confirmation about that?)

by **FourthBase** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 12:17 am

Perhaps not directly related to Gosch, but still alarming: <a href="http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/billig_amy.html">www.charleyproject.org/ca...g_amy.html</a> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Amy was last seen hitchhiking along Main Highway in Coconut Grove, Florida on March 5, 1974. She was headed to her father's office to borrow money from him so she could meet friends later in the day. Amy never arrived at the office and her friends never saw her that evening. She has never been heard from again. Amy enjoyed playing the flute and guitar, as well as reading and writing poetry, at the time of her 1974 disappearance, and was considering becoming an actress. She often hitchhiked through her neighborhood. Charles and Larry Glasser, sixteen-year-old twin brothers, called Amy's family a few days after her disappearance and claimed to have kidnapped her. They said they were holding her for $30,000 ransom. The Glassers turned out to be lying; they did not know Amy and had nothing to do with her disappearance. They were subsequently charged with extortion. A photograph of the Glasser twins at the time of their arrest is posted below this case summary. Amy's mother, Susan Billig, began investigating her daughter's case in addition to law enforcement's attempts immediately after Amy disappeared. A photograph of Susan at the time of Amy's disappearance is posted below this case summary. Susan began receiving tips from numerous individuals who claimed that Amy had been abducted by members of The Outlaws or The Pagans, both motorcycle gangs that traveled through the Coconut Grove area of Florida in 1974. Some people claimed that Amy was alive and others maintained she had been killed; these tips led Susan on a cross-country chase through the US and even into Great Britain through the years. Sometimes Susan would come within days of finding her daughter, but Amy was never located. She may have used the aliases "Mute," "Sunshine," "Little Bits," and/or "Mellow Cheryl" while with the bikers. Paul Branch, a member of The Pagans, initially told Susan in the late 1970's that Amy was alive and being held by Pagan members in the U. S. Branch's widow claimed he recanted this statement on his deathbed in the late 1990's; he then said that Amy had attended a party thrown by The Pagans in Florida on the night of her disappearance and died of a drug overdose, and that her body had been taken to the Florida Everglades by gang members and tossed to the alligators. His widow relayed this information to Susan. Amy's camera was located at the Wildwood exit on Florida's Turnpike shortly after Amy's disappearance. It was turned in by a man who had heard she was missing. Wildwood would have been on the route the biker gangs took traveling north. Nobody knows if Amy had the camera when she disappeared, however; it might have disappeared before she did. The film inside, once developed, revealed no clues as to her whereabouts. The majority of the photographs were completely overexposed. Another sidenote to Amy's disappearance involved harassing phone calls that Susan began receiving shortly after Amy vanished in 1974. A then-unidentified male caller informed Susan that Amy was abducted by members of an illicit sex ring organization and being held captive. The caller tormented Susan for 21 years until 1995, when FBI agents were able to trace a call the man made using his cellular phone. Until that time, the caller always used a pay phone to harass Susan, making him difficult to apprehend. The caller was identified as Henry Johnson Blair, who worked for the US Customs Department. A photograph of him is posted below this case summary. Blair claimed that he was an alcoholic and had an obsessive-compulsive disorder which caused him to harass Susan; he also stated that he never met Amy and knew nothing about her disappearance. Blair was sentenced to a two-year prison term for harassing Susan and has since been released. Susan settled a lawsuit against him for five million dollars. The addition of Blair into this case focuses renewed attention on to a man Amy described in her journal. Amy wrote that she was considering running away to South America with a man she called "Hank." Blair's nickname is Hank. A photo developed from a roll of film in Amy's camera showed a white van which was identical in color and model to a van Blair drove in 1974. Blair's job with the Customs Department required him to relocate to South America around the time Amy specified in her journal. Blair has not been positively linked to Amy aside from his incarceration for the harassment of her mother, however. The A & E Network aired a program about Amy's case on its Investigative Reports series in 1998. The documentary shows elements of Susan's decades-long search for her daughter with law enforcement and also provides footage of Susan's meeting with Branch's widow. Susan accepts his widow's statement at the program's end, but authorities believe that his widow was lying about his confession in an effort to financially profit from Amy's disappearance. Amy's father died of lung cancer in the early 1990s. Susan co-authored a book about Amy's disappearance in 2001 with Greg Aunapu, called Without A Trace: The Disappearance Of Amy Billig -- A Mother's Search For Justice. She died of a heart attack in 2005, at age 80. Amy's case remains unsolved.<hr></blockquote>

by **FourthBase** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 12:30 am

<a href="http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,983846,00.html">www.time.com/time/magazin...46,00.html</a> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Posted Monday, Dec. 18, 1995 WHEN THE PHONE CALLS CAME, THE Voice was low and menacing, the messages cruel. I've cut out Amy's tongue. Sometimes Susan Billig clung to the line, pleading for news of her daughter who had disappeared in 1974 at the age of 17. Amy will be sold off at a livestock auction. At other times, the mother hung up. But the connection was never really severed. You know who this is. Whether the calls came seven times in a night or once in several months, the Voice haunted Billig every hour of every day for nearly 22 years, jolting her awake in the morning, mocking her attempts to find her daughter, robbing her of any peace ... a mother-daughter sex team ... Billig could not let go of Amy, whose birth seemed such a miracle after four miscarriages. You'll be abducted like your daughter and sold into a slave trade. She did not dare change her number. The Voice that tormented also held out the hope that Amy might yet be alive, trying to get in touch. Finally, however, that merciless voice may be silenced. Working off a tip supplied by Billig, investigators traced a series of incoming phone calls to her one-story stucco home in the Coconut Grove enclave in Miami to a cellular phone owned by Henry Johnson Blair, 48, a U.S. Customs special agent with 24 years of distinguished service...<hr></blockquote> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>...Blair's admirers are adamant that he could not be the obsessive caller. Colleagues describe him as a model of moderation, the kind of guy who drives a fuel-efficient Honda, jokes breezily at lunchtime over a fried fish sandwich and iced tea and indulges in one vice: late-afternoon candy bars. At day's end he hurries home to his condominium in Kendall to fix dinner for his two daughters and wait for Cynthia, a hospital administrator whom he married two weeks before Amy's abduction. "Hank is one of the most down-to-earth, common-sensical, likable people you would ever meet," says an agent at the Customs building in downtown Miami, where Blair specialized in drug interdiction and supervised 17 agents before he was placed on paid leave. Until his arrest, Blair was best known for helping to recover a 1636 painting by Peter Paul Rubens, stolen from a Spanish museum. That won him Spain's highest civilian honor. Now, a conviction for aggravated stalking could earn him 15 years maximum behind bars.<hr></blockquote> Also, as an aside Billig's brother is a stonemason who was once hired to remove the ancient Miami Circle. <a href="http://www.greatdreams.com/mayan.htm">www.greatdreams.com/mayan.htm</a>

by **FourthBase** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 12:41 am

I'm going to set up an account there and post what I wrote about the #15 jersey, and if Et gives me permission, I'd also like to post what he wrote about the mark on the arm. edit: I have to wait to be activated. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=fourthbase>FourthBase</A> at: 9/3/06 10:49 pm

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