Johnny Gosch update

by **Et in Arcadia ego** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 7:30 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>This is not an end run but a direct frontal assault by all of us, for all of us and … the kids.<hr></blockquote> 'The Kids' should have come first here, but for some reason they came last.. ____________________ Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.

by **Et in Arcadia ego** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 7:44 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>From one of the comments in the Des Moines Register:<hr></blockquote> Indeed, some of those locals have a strong aptitude for High Weirdness, don't they? ____________________ Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.

by **chiggerbit** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 8:01 pm

Oh, my, yes. I mean, can you imagine anyone thinking the government would deliberately feed a citizen LSD? (big cheezy grin on this end.) Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 9/4/06 6:02 pm

by **El Tedo** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 8:13 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>The Kids' should have come first here, but for some reason they came last..<hr></blockquote> I think we can ease up on the telethon cliches here. Let's get real here. We're discussing this story because its fascinating, disturbing etc... its got all the elements of a great mystery... its not some altruistic knight in shining armour scenario- this is sensationalist crap, though on deeper level than most sensationalist crap. I'll be the first to be honest here, and say that my interest in this case has nothing to do with delusions that we'll somehow bring little Johnny home- its just a bizarre mystery and I like bizarre mysteries. Lets not address Kris with backhanded, holier-than-thou digs. He's actually trying to get work done on the case and get a book out. It takes money to do that. Its not exactly a project that mainstream publishers will jump at. KRIS- If you're going to ask for donations, you need to give us an idea of what you've found out that distinguishes this book from the other articles and films on this case. You don't have to play your whole hand of course, but if people are gonna dish over cash they're going to want to know your claims are legit. So if you could give us an idea were you're heading with the book, I'm sure you could generate more interest and less skepticism.

by **Kris Millegan** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 9:01 pm

We have a website being developed that will do all that. The focus is the Franklin and Boy's Town. But it touches on many other relevant events, such as Gosch, Spence, Finders, etc There is much that can and will be released, there is much that still needs corroboration before it can be released. The author is very responsibile journalist, and it is a serious story. Yes, there is a lot on the net, but much is wrong. The author has agreed and will be introducing himself soon, this going public was an idea that had been going through my head and the Gosch pictures hurried the thinking along. $10 from 5,000 folks, I think can be raised, for investigative work and then later more for promotion. I will be setting up an checking account/ paypal account that will be available for public view from any browser. This all will take time, but time does march on. Step by step through the fetid swamp … Peace, Om Kris

by **Project Willow** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 9:14 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>I'll be the first to be honest here, and say that my interest in this case has nothing to do with delusions that we'll somehow bring little Johnny home- its just a bizarre mystery and I like bizarre mysteries.<hr></blockquote> I'll tell you why I'm interested, because the Gosch case has the potential to knock a serious hole into the elite/ritual abuse-torture/mind control axis, child trafficking and porn. We may not find Johnny, but we might be able to bring some credible exposure to these issues. That's what makes it for the kids, and not just those who are still being taken for torture, but all of them. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=projectwillow@rigorousintuition>Project Willow</A> at: 9/4/06 7:15 pm

by **chiggerbit** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 9:24 pm

PW, what I worry about is that this case is not as is being presented to us by Noreen(not that she isn't sincere in her beliefs), which could possibly result in a real blow to the cause.

by **Dreams End** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 9:25 pm

I was the critical one of Trine Day. I plan to support them by buying the second and third Levanda books. I hope you guys get enough of a cut to make it worthwhile. And while I hope Trine Day has success...seems to me there could be a "cooperative research" model on this stuff. Like websleuth but with a preconception not to rule out the bigger conspiracies (without which this stuff doesn't make sense. I just read that in 84 ANOTHER Des Moines Register paper boy, Eugene Martin, was kidnapped. Old news to most of you, I bet...but the Register was also the paper writing the editorials ridiculing Noreen Gosch. And just to show that they stick to their high journalistic standards, they didn't spearhead the investigatory frenzy (hah) when Martin disappeared. ) I wish Trine Day luck.

by **Et in Arcadia ego** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 9:29 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>I think we can ease up on the telethon cliches here. Let's get real here. We're discussing this story because its fascinating, disturbing etc... its got all the elements of a great mystery... its not some altruistic knight in shining armour scenario- this is sensationalist crap, though on deeper level than most sensationalist crap. I'll be the first to be honest here, and say that my interest in this case has nothing to do with delusions that we'll somehow bring little Johnny home- its just a bizarre mystery and I like bizarre mysteries.<hr></blockquote> You've gotta be fucking kidding me, man.. I'll be second in line for honesty and call you out for being a complete ass. This 'story' revolves around EXPLOITED CHILDREN, and I don't like it AT ALL. I don't know if you have a child or not, but I do, and picturing her laying on that bed gagged and bound makes me want to rip someone's fucking face off.. Last time I checked, these child abduction/SRA/RA discussions at RI aren't here for getting people off that "like bizarre mysteries", it's about trying to get to the bottom of the shittiest, nastiest, human filth and predation I've ever come across and it makes me fucking sick inside to know that people are capable and willing to do the things we've discussed, and it makes me even sicker to think that someone's willing to slap a price tag on what's happened to these kids even if it IS intended eventually for an organization.. So how about this: Let's not address the Rigorous Intuition board discussions as a nearly transparent source of masturbatory gratification, ok? And Let's not say "let's" in association with me, cause you don't get to determine where my moral compass points, got it? And Kris, don't take it personal that I'm disgusted by even the concept of your book(actually I don't care if you do or not, tbh), it's more an indictment of our society as a whole as opposed to you specifically that people need to shell out cash in any format whether digital, paper, or hardback to learn of these things in the first place. If our Society wasn't totally fucked to begin with there'd be no place for Monsters, those that seek to profit by them, or assholes who stick up for either of the two.. edit: Kris, you made your post while I was making mine; if you plan on having an open website that will offer information on these issues I will gladly support that with whatever means I have available, but I stand by my feelings about books on the subject. I hope your website is able to make an impact and with hope, a difference. ____________________ Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=etinarcadiaego@rigorousintuition>et in Arcadia ego</A> <IMG HEIGHT=10 WIDTH=10 SRC="http://www.sickle666.com/images/Arcadia.jpg" BORDER=0> at: 9/4/06 7:38 pm

by **chiggerbit** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 9:31 pm

DE, The Des Moines Register isn't known for its in-dept, investigative journalsim. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 9/4/06 7:32 pm

by **Project Willow** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 9:36 pm

Chig, I can't deny that's a theoretical possibility. It would be one hell of an op.

by **Rigorous Intuition** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 9:52 pm

seems to me there could be a "cooperative research" model on this stuff. That's an excellent idea, DE. Perhaps something beyond the scope of a "data dump" that could include a hyperlinked timeline, and also serve as a "real-time" resource and sounding board.

by **rain** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:34 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>I'll tell you why I'm interested, because the Gosch case has the potential to knock a serious hole into the elite/ritual abuse-torture/mind control axis, child trafficking and porn. We may not find Johnny, but we might be able to bring some credible exposure to these issues. That's what makes it for the kids, and not just those who are still being taken for torture, but all of them<hr></blockquote> Yes. and <blockquote>Quote:<hr>seems to me there could be a "cooperative research" model on this stuff.<hr></blockquote> Yes. not because Kris asking for funds bothers me, but potential time constraints/pressures do which relates to Noreen, and that it seems pretty clear to me that someone's burrowing away overtime to, er, 'publicly discredit' her (at best).

by **chiggerbit** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:39 pm

and that it seems pretty clear to me that someone's burrowing away overtime to, er, 'publicly discredit' her (at best). Who are you referring to, rain?

by **rain** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:54 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Who are you referring to, rain?<hr></blockquote> specifically, 'cppweb' posted by FB pg.7 this thread and SoG, comments on blog and, I'm wondering if Noreen wasn't given air time as a part of that process. the involvement with Gunderson is already like the k.o.d.

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