New photo up on The Johnny Gosch Foundation site

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Postby shefner » Sun Mar 09, 2008 3:40 pm

I suppose I have never been content to "let it go," since we still don't know the real truth (and may never know :cry: ). We also don't know what activities are still ongoing concerning children that are going missing today. If we had politicians involved in sex with children 20 years ago, then its probably worse now IMO.

Its unfortunate that our world has gotten so busy and apathetic that most people are not concerned with anything that doesn't effect them personally (such as with their children or other relatives). As for me, I like to hear all the ideas that are out there.....somewhere there are answers for many of our questions.
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Postby MASONIC PLOT » Sun Mar 09, 2008 3:59 pm

I will have to add more when I get the time.
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Postby stackdag » Sun Mar 09, 2008 4:32 pm

To dickdecent:

"IMHO his post makes no real sense for a couple of other reasons... "


I beg to differ.


"It's just that the surface view is VERY rarely the truth..."


The above statement is an OPINION not a fact.

We don't know what the real truth on any of these things is because they've never been brought to a criminal trial.

So how can you claim to know the truth about any of this shit or what's really beyond the surface when you're a guy sitting on a computer listening to second or third hand information about a case.
Unless you are directly involved with the people or the case YOU HAVE NO IDEA what the "truth" is in anything.

It's just people trying to find a way to put this thing to bed, trying to use their own R.I. to somehow intuit a truth from the forest of bull...


This thing won't be put to bed until it's fully investigated by the police or FBI who have the power to punish those reponsible. Period.
Your new age psychic bull crap about speculating on what the truth is means nothing to me.

The point of Noreen's site is to put this thing to bed.
The site is designed to bring attention to the case so it will be reopened and investigated. She has tried to get the case reopened and has been prevented from that. Or have we all forgotten that????


...even if the picture HASN'T been doctored...why would it be posted with a comment requesting help with the ID/activities of the mystery camp?


I don't know...if I recieved a photo of my kidnapped son and there was piece of evidence like the bag in the background, I'd think I'd ask for information on it too....wouldn't everyone else????

'CAMPCARIBOU.jpg'


I don't understand why the name of the jpeg is so important here. I rename jpegs all the time to keep them organized so I know where and what they are.

Aren't there program's or ways to track when and where the file was created and what kind of computer it came from and what kind of scanner was used to capture the image?

They caught Denis Rader (BTK) using a similar thing where they tracked the threats or letters he sent to the police on a floppy disk back to the computer he wrote them on. Seems like same thing could be done with these photos Noreen has...


but don't tell me I can't consider the possibility without incurring the pseudo-wrath of a cloyingly self-righteous post like Stack's


If you're saying that someone has sent doctored photos to Noreen and is using her for some weird purpose I think that's possible.
But to speculate she's the reason johnny is missing and she's trying to cover it up or help out in some grand psy-op plot, I just think that's in BAD TASTE. Especially since you haven't thought through the theory enough to realize it's completely nonsensical.

I have a feeling that you are all just as frustrated with the case as I am, and you are taking out that frustration on Noreen by speculating about this crap.

All that needs to happen is that Law Enforcement becomes involved and investigates the things Noreen is presenting.

Her point has always been instead of jailing people who HAVE child porn, why not jail the people that MAKE it.
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Postby MASONIC PLOT » Sun Mar 09, 2008 4:49 pm

One other thing I wanted to mention, quickly, and will get in to more detail in a bit, but my understanding is that she knew right away it was Camp Caribou and was merely putting it out there to see if anyone else had anything to contribute about it. My understanding is that there are TWO Camp Caribous, each one unrelated to the other, one in CANADA and one in MAINE and that the one in MAINE is in fact actually tied to the FRANKLIN CASE in some way. I will post more when I get some free time this afternoon and discuss this further.

Developing...
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Postby Avalon » Sun Mar 09, 2008 11:35 pm

If Noreen "knew right away it was Camp Caribou," what does that mean in light of the word "caribou" on the JPEG looking like it is doctored?
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Postby shefner » Sun Mar 09, 2008 11:44 pm

Masonic Plot, Hope you are planning to return and elaborate...
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Postby shefner » Wed Mar 12, 2008 11:58 pm

Hello? Masonic Plot? Are you out there? Can you please elaborate on your convo with Noreen?
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Postby MASONIC PLOT » Thu Mar 13, 2008 12:36 am

I will post more tomorrow morning, just got off work and need to get some rest right now.
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Postby MASONIC PLOT » Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:35 am

So anyway, her and I only had a short time to converse this past week and all I mentioned was that I was seeing a lot of concern on discussion forums about her posting those pictures so liberally on her website, and especially right on the front page. I suggested to her that maybe she make a seperate area for them with a prominate link to them on the front page but my understanding is that she feels it is important to keep the pictures where they are and that there will always be people who are critical of what she does but she feels at this time, the pictures serve the purpose of drawing the attention to the case that she feels is needed and wont consider moving them for the sake of those who visit her site but feel uncomfortable seeing them.


As for the Camp Caribou etc, like I said my understanding is that she knew what the bag said in the picture and did not mean to imply that she didnt, she just wanted others to come foward with information if they had any, about this place.


In the meantime, has anyone found anything that ties Franklin to Caribou?
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Postby Searcher08 » Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:12 pm

I was curious to find this article from NYT 2004 covering Camp Caribou.

When I saw the photo on Noreen's site, I thought of some alternatives:

1 It was taken at the Camp itself. That should be fairly easy to find out as Im sure most rooms in the camp are standardised - probably one type of room for staff, another for guides and another for pupils

2 It was taken in the room of a boy who had been to Camp Caribou.

3 It was taken in the room of a person who had been a guide at Camp Caribou


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I understand that there was some indirect connection between the Franklin S&L and Johnny's Dad - is that accurate?

also, I came across this face aging software which might be of interest

http://morph.cs.st-andrews.ac.uk//Trans ... index.html
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Postby MASONIC PLOT » Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:37 pm

Searcher08 wrote:I was curious to find this article from NYT 2004 covering Camp Caribou.

When I saw the photo on Noreen's site, I thought of some alternatives:

1 It was taken at the Camp itself. That should be fairly easy to find out as Im sure most rooms in the camp are standardised - probably one type of room for staff, another for guides and another for pupils

2 It was taken in the room of a boy who had been to Camp Caribou.

3 It was taken in the room of a person who had been a guide at Camp Caribou


Masonic_Plot

I understand that there was some indirect connection between the Franklin S&L and Johnny's Dad - is that accurate?

also, I came across this face aging software which might be of interest

http://morph.cs.st-andrews.ac.uk//Trans ... index.html


Never heard of any such connection myself.
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Postby LilyPatToo » Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:16 pm

Just a (belated) comment on the fact that the kids in the photos weren't wildly disheveled--there would, in my opinion, be a huge difference between a photo taken shortly after a child's capture and imprisonment and one taken later. Even a few days later.

Being severely physically/sexually abused and terrorized very quickly induces a sort of apathy after the initial shock wears off. I think it may be related to Stockholm Syndrome or may in fact be the very earliest stage of it. The realization that fighting back has zero positive effect on your circumstances HAS to have an effect. Especially on a child.

The passivity of a victim should in no way imply that they are willing. Remember all the young people who've been kidnapped and then later recovered--recall their extreme passivity and tendency to remain with their captors even when no longer tied up or locked up.

"Brainwashing" is an absolutely real thing and it's not by any means accomplished only in government labs. A kid locked in a closet for a while and properly conditioned can be made to do completely uncharacteristic things and even to assume a new persona. Never confuse apparent lack of affect with complicity.

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Postby Jeff » Fri Mar 14, 2008 11:16 pm

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March 13, 2008
Some Message Boards Spreading Lot of Incorrect Information

There seems to be someone on a message board who is spreading a lot of incorrect information and saying they are direct quotes from me. I have never talked to this person so I do need to post this information to more or less stop this activity...

Noreen


FWIW, Noreen has just signed up for the board.
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Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Sat Mar 15, 2008 12:40 am

Jeff wrote:http://www.johnnygosch.com/

March 13, 2008
Some Message Boards Spreading Lot of Incorrect Information

There seems to be someone on a message board who is spreading a lot of incorrect information and saying they are direct quotes from me. I have never talked to this person so I do need to post this information to more or less stop this activity...

Noreen


FWIW, Noreen has just signed up for the board.


Who's quoted her on this board? Masonic, she's not referring to you , is she?
"but I do know that you should remove my full name from your sig. Dig?" - Unnamed, Super Scary Persun, bbrrrrr....
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Postby LilyPatToo » Sat Mar 15, 2008 12:49 am

I'm glad to hear that she's joined, actually. And as someone who's also experienced online excoriation (to the point of slander/character assassination) I want to hear her side of this in her own words. It's easy for people to anonymously toss around all sorts of opinions about a person's motives when she's not present.

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