Johnny Gosch update

by **Sweejak** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 3:20 am

I can get to the site, repeatedly, even when I clear my browsers cache. But if your running really slow on all pages it probably just means there is a problem on your phone line or cable or somewhere up the network.

by **sunny** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 3:23 am

You are probably right. Frustrating when a story like this breaks.

by **Dreams End** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 3:25 am

This may be about preventing a big event. The pace of these sorts of revelations is startling. Maybe things are flying apart, or maybe they are cutting deadwood and tying up loose ends. (and any other cliche metaphors we want to toss in there.) Keep in mind that the callboy revelations were put out by the Washington Times, owned by Rev. Sun Myung "send me your holy handkerchiefs (your REALLY don't want to get that joke)" Moon. Keep in mind that DeCamp's research partner is an active Larouchite. Keep in mind that Ted Gunderson was the one who brought Conspiracy of Silence to light while the very company alleged to have produced it denied any knowledge of it (to me in an email...denials mean nothing, I know.) This doesn't concern me because I think these events did not happen but precisely because I know they DID happen.

by **Sweejak** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 3:28 am

Try this: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/e8eqt">tinyurl.com/e8eqt</a>

by **sunny** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 3:32 am

Sweejak, a no go. Damn. If it's the cable why do I continue to get the "Website down..." message?

by **Sweejak** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 3:41 am

I don't know Sunny. Here is a snapshot <img src="http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/4372/pagepicui6.jpg"/> About the brand, I fussed with it in photoshop and can vaguely make out an X in a square. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=sweejak@rigorousintuition>Sweejak</A> at: 9/2/06 1:42 am

by **El Tedo** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 3:44 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Keep in mind that Ted Gunderson was the one who brought Conspiracy of Silence to light while the very company alleged to have produced it denied any knowledge of it (to me in an email...denials mean nothing, I know.)<hr></blockquote> That's very interesting. They denied ANY knowledge of a film they supposedly produced??? That's unheard of!! Do you still have the email? What did they say? What is the name of the production company? I think Gunderson is a total whack-job. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=eltedo@rigorousintuition>El Tedo</A> at: 9/2/06 1:45 am

by **blanc** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 3:52 am

DE - if anyone is seen taking photos of children, they should be challenged. it is best not to wait o see if anything happens.

by **sunny** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 3:57 am

Sweejak, thank you so much. He still seems to be wearing jeans, tho. El Tedo, the company denied the film because it was so controversial, they were forced by? to pull it and destroy all copies of it. (one survived and can be seen on the internet) Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=sunny@rigorousintuition>sunny</A> at: 9/2/06 1:58 am

by JD » Sat Sep 02, 2006 4:51 am

As per previous speculation, I have a fear, which I hope is groundless, that the neocon revolution isn't going entirely as per plan and there may be some desire to "shake things up a bit" to get the program back in order. The JBR/Gosch stories may be a small sign of shoring up support in advance of some future events. Since 9/11, implementation of neocon plans and ambitions have been largely successful (at least for them!), but things are starting to go against the neocon agenda as noted in a non-comprehensive list below of neocon reverses the like of which we haven't seen for years now: Economy If the US economy goes off the rails, so will China's as it relies on exporting to the American market. We could be looking at a serious worldwide recession. A potential mechanism is staring us in the face. The housing market of the US which has been the post tech bubble engine for the US economy is collapsing. If this trend continues it may result in major US and worldwide recession. A relatively impoverished and unemployed US population, armed with growing knowledge that there are lots of things that aren't right, is a major uncertainty for the elites to manage. There is some possibility that the methods adopted to keep the general population compliant and obedient may not be effective in a challenged economic environment. The War on Terror is stumbling The alleged terror plot in the UK hasn't been well received by the population. It really did fall kind of flat. Widespread scepticism reigns amongst people of all political persuasions. Even the mass media is referring to the incident as "the alleged terror plot". Scepticism of 9/11 is growing. Griffen's book had sold 80,000 copies by the end of 2004 <a href="http://www.septembereleventh.org/newsarchive/2004-12-11-vancouversun.php" target="top">www.septembereleventh.org/newsarchive/2004-12-11-vancouversun.php</a> and I've seen reports it is now well over 100,000 copies, all by word of mouth as the book hasn't been promoted or reviewed by traditional sources. Loose Change has been downloaded over 10,000,000 times. Scholars for 9/11 Truth is getting traction in terms of media coverage, official membership <a href="http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/WhoAreWe.html" target="top">www.scholarsfor911truth.org/WhoAreWe.html</a> , and publications <a href="http://911review.org/ScholarsforTruthabout911/" target="top">911review.org/ScholarsforTruthabout911/</a> . 9/11 skeptics used to be ignored, now they are starting to get attention and frankly the debunking efforts haven't been working nearly as well as the previous method of simply ignoring the questions posed. The combat operations in Lebanon, presumably part of Perle's grand strategy to "Secure the Realm", <a href="http://www.iasps.org/strat1.htm" target="top">www.iasps.org/strat1.htm</a> went very badly. Media and public relations efforts to sell the combat operations and aerial bombardment also went very badly. Hezbollah gained prestige in the Arab world for standing up to a high tech foreign military, and gives hope to other national resistance movements of being able to engage off modern Western militaries, if only to hold them off and inflict significant casualties. There is frustration over the reluctance and/or tardiness of a proxy (US or Turkey) to invade Syria and Iran to continue execution of the "Securing the Realm" strategy. Efforts to sell expanding ground warfare and subsequent occupation in the Middle East must be doubled and redoubled. The huge sucking sound of Iraqi combat operations of US/UK military prestige and treasuries. The Realm is not being secured there that's for sure! British troops recently abandoned a base in Iraq as they grew weary of the constant shelling of it. Political Events Bush and Blair, the two most prominent neocons continue to drop in public support, reaching new lows. Canadian neocon Harper is sinking in popularity like a rock in Canada, despite having favourable media coverage and without a viable opposition going after him. He's doing it all on his own. Italy lost its neocon government. Probably more of this going on than I know about. The Mexican election fix to establish a neocon into power was poorly executed and significant numbers of Mexican people are protesting vigorously. Obrador is not doing a Gore and is talking about setting up a parallel government. This is being mostly blacked out from gringo news sources, presumably to keep the passive gringos from getting ideas. Chavez is not shutting up and prospects to remove him from power seem limited. He is talking about an international 9/11 truth commission. Anyways.......... I really hope that this speculation is wrong and things play out in an orderly, peaceful, and just manner and no umpleasent "shake-ups" beneficial to the neocons (or otherwise!) occur.

by **FourthBase** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 5:10 am

Can anyone identify the shirts the two on the right are wearing? I can't make out the design/logo of the middle one, but maybe someone else can. The one on the right looks like a kid's replica of an NFL jersey, but it could also be a college team jersey, or finally it could be a generic KMart-type jersey with no connection to an actual team or player. If it IS supposed to be an NFL or NCAA replica (NFL would be more likely I think?), then #15 would be the number of a quarterback. There are only so many teams with that color scheme (looks like a typical reddish-orangish/blueish/white), and one can further narrow the options by what quarterbacks on those teams wore #15. NFL teams (circa late 70's/early 80's) with that color scheme: Bills, Giants, Patriots, Bears, Oilers...maybe the Falcons? That's about as far as my football knowledge will take that lead...if anyone knows a football junkie, maybe you could show the photo (or maybe just the jersey part?) and get a better guess. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=fourthbase>FourthBase</A> at: 9/2/06 3:11 am

by **Et in Arcadia ego** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 5:29 am

I know little about the Gosch story, so I can't weigh in on that but I can say a little bit about this branding thing based on my 17 years as a body modification professional. First, the mother claims her son was branded shortly after his kidnapping, and is seen in the photos wearing the same jogging pants he was last seen in. If this is the case, he would have had to have worn them for several months for this to possible due to the fact that the branding process takes months to heal, with strong chances of infection under even the best of aftercare scenarios. If what we are seeing is a brand, it would have been EXTREMELY red all around with the inside(the actual brand) a dull white(fat cells below the cutaneous tissue). So here's what we should have seen but didn't: A - Extreme redness around the branded area accompanied by swelling. This would cause a sheen in the skin due to the swelling drawing the skin tight making for a more reflective surface, and that's without: B - Topical salve administered to prevent infection in the burned tissue. Failure to administrate a topical would almost guarantee infection, and if staph got in there, forget about it. The salve would also create a very noticeable sheen in the area due to light scattering off a petroleum-based cream. c - Not bright, but very noticeable white/yellow in the actual brand. On each side of a burned line of skin there would also be thin but darkened areas that are the actul edges of the burned tissue. When a brand is administered, the skin is literally split by the branding object, which is why you'd see a thin dark line on both sides. _____________________ Based on that, either the mother's timing is significantly off, or what's on his arm is not a brand at all, which is what I'm inclined to believe. Even if he wore the jogging pants for months(or just had them on that day as one of a few changes of clothes, the healing tissue would have a significant lack of melanin, and in these pictures, we see the exact opposite. It looks to me like a sharpie marker was used to write something on his arm. I use them every day for initial sketching and they have a tendancy to be semi-permanent on skin, even after washing. Also, I don't see a pentagram at all, but a well-defined roman numeral 10. If so, who and where's the other 9 and how high do the numbers go? ____________________ Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.

by **Et in Arcadia ego** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 5:45 am

I just had a morbid realization that kinda backs up the roman numeral thing: These kids are bound and gagged. Among other things, this prevents the kids from learning each other's names. Assigning numbers to the kids alleviates the captors from revealing the names by having to say them aloud in each other's presences.. Very, very disturbing. ____________________ Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.

by **Sepka** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 5:48 am

It looks kind of like the Bears or the Browns, although the sleeve stripes aren't exactly right for either from pictures of the late 70s/early 80s that I could find. Interestingly, Mike Phipps was QB #15 for the Browns during the 70s, and finished his career with the Bears in the early 80s wearing the same number. <a href="http://www.bcsc.k12.in.us/northhs/hall_of_fame_phipps.htm">www.bcsc.k12.in.us/northh...phipps.htm</a> <a href="http://www.sportsmemorabilia.com/sports-products/mike-phipps-autographed-8x10-photograph.html">www.sportsmemorabilia.com...graph.html</a> That being said, unless the kid had an interest in football history, I can't imagine him wanting a Phipps shirt in 1981. He was past his peak by then, and pre-teens generally have a limited appreciation of history. -Sepka the Space Weasel

by **FourthBase** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 6:17 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>That being said, unless the kid had an interest in football history, I can't imagine him wanting a Phipps shirt in 1981. He was past his peak by then, and pre-teens generally have a limited appreciation of history.<hr></blockquote> Well, like I said earlier: Gosch was kidnapped with certain clothing on and that jersey could not belong to him. The kidnappers must have either had that shirt already in their possession or bought it for him to wear. If it was already in their possession, then presumably it must have belonged to a previous kidnapped child, which is a creepy thought. If they bought it for him, then it was either purchased in a second hand store (in which case it could be a little older, maybe from the mid or late 70's?) or purchased new. Unlike today's market in which every team sells a jersey of even its moderately good players and one can even buy a custom jersey for a scrub, back then I'm assuming that the only NFL replica jerseys available for sale were for star players. Like you implied, there does not seem to be a star quarterback from that era who played for a team with that color scheme and wore that number. As far as the sleeve stripe: For a kid's cheap replica, the jersey design often takes liberties with the official design to make it more appealing to kids, so the official NFL jersey may not have that same sleeve design. With that said: I'm leaning toward it being either a college jersey cheap replica, a Pop Warner league jersey, or a generic KMart-type football jersey. I don't follow college football at all, so I can't say whether it's that or not. If it's a generic jersey, it should be easy enough to find out the "make and model" since those kind of jerseys are usually mass produced with a limited color variety and only one number, i.e., 1000 #15 jerseys but not any other number. If it's a Pop Warner jersey, then that probably means that some other kid once owned and wore it -- acquired either in a second hand store, or fresh from a local youth league jersey designer/manufacturer...or from a previous kidnapped kid. Since that picture is the one deseminated the most in yesterday's stories I'd hope that someone somewhere recognizes it as being a generic jersey once sold in department stores, or their favorite player's jersey, or their favorite team's jersey, or just simply their own. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=fourthbase>FourthBase</A> at: 9/2/06 4:33 am

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